[Crazy America] The thread about ppl dying n shit... i dunno

The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > C-SPAM > [Crazy America] The thread about ppl dying n shit... i dunno

Stereotype: Apr 24, 2010; College Slice

jetz0r posted:

a fast and furious movie where all the pedestrians weren't magically lucky or nonexistent.

literally the exact same movie, except there's dog fur in the grill and a body stuck under the car during the sick drift scenes. no dialogue is changed, because pedestrians don't count as people.

i feel like a detail from Fahrenheit 451 that people forget about is that he gets run down by a car as a pedestrian and that's just like, a normal acceptable thing

# ? Feb 1, 2023 22:27

Adbot: ADBOT LOVES YOU

# ? Jun 11, 2024 21:09

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

skooma512 posted:

Gang shooter = Shooting done for gang reasons and targeted at certain people, if inaccurately.

Mass shooter = High score attempt.

what is a "gang reason"? how would you differentiate them with the dozens of workplace "score-settling" mass shootings that take place every year?

# ? Feb 1, 2023 22:37

skooma512: Feb 8, 2012; You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

TenementFunster posted:

what is a "gang reason"? how would you differentiate them with the dozens of workplace "score-settling" mass shootings that take place every year?

Someone was selling hooch at the wrong speakeasy and didn't even cut us in on the action.

# ? Feb 1, 2023 22:48

Stereotype: Apr 24, 2010; College Slice

gangs is a racism thing

# ? Feb 1, 2023 22:50

Zamujasa: Oct 27, 2010; Bread Liar

white -> troubled soul, family man

black -> no angel, probably involved in gangs

# ? Feb 1, 2023 22:53

Minecraft Holmes: Oct 21, 2016

Stereotype posted:

gangs is a racism thing

yeah i thought they just added that in as a modifier to make the charges worse, like they also do with hate crimes

# ? Feb 1, 2023 23:01

Mr. Sharps: Jul 30, 2006; The only true law is that which leads to freedom. There is no other.

the solution is obviously to spread chain letters warning of the methods used by mass shooters to identify potential victims

folks, if a white guy smiles and nods at you in the trader joes parking lot, do NOT nod back

# ? Feb 1, 2023 23:17

HashtagGirlboss: Jan 4, 2005

Minecraft Holmes posted:

yeah i thought they just added that in as a modifier to make the charges worse, like they also do with hate crimes

Gang activity is both real and fake. On one hand it describes criminal and violent activity that is distinct from other types for reasons of where it happens and why it happens and who is involved and who is targeted. Like it�s inherently different for a spree shooter to shoot up a school and for a kid to fire off several shots outside the school that are targeted at specific people and then try to make a get away. It�s just a different dynamic

On the other hand it�s a racist dog whistle and something local media and law enforcement love to toss around to scare suburbanites and justify crackdowns and police budgets

Edit: gang activity is basically just violence between various groups that have decided to settle scores outside the state sanctioned avenues and there are all kinds of reasons that these communities arise but it�s a bit silly to act like they aren�t a real thing even if it�s equally silly to act like they�re a significant or even notable threat to anyone not affiliated with the specific groups

HashtagGirlboss has issued a correction as of 23:29 on Feb 1, 2023

# ? Feb 1, 2023 23:25

Honky Mao: Dec 26, 2012

TenementFunster posted:

so "regular shootings, but done by black people"?

was kinda hoping for a non-racist definition here.

Lmao

I'm going to hook you up to a cardiogram and show you pictures of black people and get to the bottom of this racism thing

Honky Mao has issued a correction as of 23:36 on Feb 1, 2023

# ? Feb 1, 2023 23:29

Smythe: Oct 12, 2003; no meds = f4

im in a gang

# ? Feb 1, 2023 23:53

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

HashtagGirlboss posted:

Gang activity is both real and fake. On one hand it describes criminal and violent activity that is distinct from other types for reasons of where it happens and why it happens and who is involved and who is targeted. Like it�s inherently different for a spree shooter to shoot up a school and for a kid to fire off several shots outside the school that are targeted at specific people and then try to make a get away. It�s just a different dynamic

On the other hand it�s a racist dog whistle and something local media and law enforcement love to toss around to scare suburbanites and justify crackdowns and police budgets

Edit: gang activity is basically just violence between various groups that have decided to settle scores outside the state sanctioned avenues and there are all kinds of reasons that these communities arise but it�s a bit silly to act like they aren�t a real thing even if it�s equally silly to act like they�re a significant or even notable threat to anyone not affiliated with the specific groups

instead of doing these embarrassing mental gymnastics, just stop using racist language?

# ? Feb 1, 2023 23:53

Smythe: Oct 12, 2003; no meds = f4

the bloodhound gang

# ? Feb 1, 2023 23:53

Smythe: Oct 12, 2003; no meds = f4

floor gang

# ? Feb 1, 2023 23:53

Minecraft Holmes: Oct 21, 2016

can i get sexed into your gang

# ? Feb 1, 2023 23:56

Honky Mao: Dec 26, 2012

Let's see if you still think gangs are fake when me and my pals take turns spanking you silly

# ? Feb 2, 2023 00:03

The Voice of Labor: Apr 8, 2020

TenementFunster posted:

the statistical evidence is overwhelming that gun regulations reduce gun violence in every peer nation where it is tried. we should do it here because it would be good for society. reducing material inequality will probably reduce gun violence, but increased gun regulation will absolutely reduce gun violence.

hmmm... looking at california's restrictive gun laws and not seeing any appreciable impact on gun violence. but go on with your "overwhelming evidence"

# ? Feb 2, 2023 00:10

Charliegrs: Aug 10, 2009

Smythe posted:

im in a gang

So you're a cop?

# ? Feb 2, 2023 00:27

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

The Voice of Labor posted:

hmmm... looking at california's restrictive gun laws and not seeing any appreciable impact on gun violence. but go on with your "overwhelming evidence"

california and new york have some of the lowest rates of gun violence. the states with the worst rates are overwhelmingly right wing.

if you want to pretend to be a �leftist� on the internet, you should at least try to act like a materialist.

# ? Feb 2, 2023 00:28

Charliegrs: Aug 10, 2009

The Voice of Labor posted:

hmmm... looking at california's restrictive gun laws and not seeing any appreciable impact on gun violence. but go on with your "overwhelming evidence"

Yeah guess what CA is surrounded by? States with practically no gun laws. Guess what most European countries with strict gun laws are surrounded by? Other European countries with strict gun laws. CA can have all the strict gun laws it wants it's only a few hours drive to the wild west to get whatever you want and bring it back.

# ? Feb 2, 2023 00:29

The Voice of Labor: Apr 8, 2020

TenementFunster posted:

california and new york have some of the lowest rates of gun violence. the states with the worst rates are overwhelmingly right wing.

if you want to pretend to be a �leftist� on the internet, you should at least try to act like a materialist.

vermont's got the lowest by orders of magnitude and they have the least restrictive laws. it isn't the guns. those bright red states also have zero labor protections and are dirt poor. are you sure you know what materialist means? because it isn't relying on magical thinking

# ? Feb 2, 2023 00:37

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

Charliegrs posted:

Yeah guess what CA is surrounded by? States with practically no gun laws. Guess what most European countries with strict gun laws are surrounded by? Other European countries with strict gun laws. CA can have all the strict gun laws it wants it's only a few hours drive to the wild west to get whatever you want and bring it back.

It is worth noting that california has some of the least restrictive gun laws on the planet. it is far easier to buy a gun in california than almost anywhere else on the planet, especially compared to any actually-existing socialist country.

even with a few relatively paltry regulations, California has a drastically lower rate of gun violence than right-wing states, especially considering how gun violence historically correlates to population density.

California is a prime example of how passing *any* gun regulation, no matter how minor or unsophisticated, pays enormous public health dividends

# ? Feb 2, 2023 00:40

spiritual bypass: Feb 19, 2008; Grimey Drawer

Charliegrs posted:

So you're a cop?

im a cop

# ? Feb 2, 2023 00:42

Honky Mao: Dec 26, 2012

TenementFunster posted:

california and new york have some of the lowest rates of gun violence. the states with the worst rates are overwhelmingly right wing.

if you want to pretend to be a “leftist” on the internet, you should at least try to act like a materialist.

Yeah whatever you do don't compare this map to the poverty map

# ? Feb 2, 2023 00:45

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

The Voice of Labor posted:

vermont's got the lowest

no it doesn�t

The Voice of Labor posted:

by orders of magnitude

lmao who told you this? the states with the lowest rates of firearm death are MA, NY, NJ, HI, RI, CT, and CA - all of which have additional state-level gun regulations and below-average rates of firearm ownership. Vermont�s rate is over 25% higher than California. i�m interested to learn who told you vermont was lower �by *orders* of magnitude.� do you remember?

The Voice of Labor posted:

are you sure you know what materialist means? because it isn't relying on magical thinking

yeah, it means �actually knowing the statistics instead of getting caught in easily-disprovable lies.� you should probably bow out now since it�s clear you have no idea what you�re talking about.

and honest question: do you know what �orders of magnitude� means? you should look that up, too.

# ? Feb 2, 2023 00:53

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

SorePotato posted:

Yeah whatever you do don't compare this map to the poverty map

both the UK and Mississippi have a GDP per capita of ~$47,000.

the UK�s homicide rate is around 1.10 per 100,000 residents.

Mississippi�s rate is around 20.

# ? Feb 2, 2023 01:02

HashtagGirlboss: Jan 4, 2005

TenementFunster posted:

instead of doing these embarrassing mental gymnastics, just stop using racist language?

Lmao only the best and biggest brains in here

# ? Feb 2, 2023 01:03

The Voice of Labor: Apr 8, 2020

TenementFunster posted:

no it doesn�t

lmao who told you this? the states with the lowest rates of firearm death are MA, NY, NJ, HI, RI, CT, and CA - all of which have additional state-level gun regulations and below-average rates of firearm ownership. Vermont�s rate is over 25% higher than California. i�m interested to learn who told you vermont was lower �by *orders* of magnitude.� do you remember?

yeah, it means �actually knowing the statistics instead of getting caught in easily-disprovable lies.� you should probably bow out now since it�s clear you have no idea what you�re talking about.

and honest question: do you know what �orders of magnitude� means? you should look that up, too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_death_rates_in_the_United_States_by_state#Murders

you suck dude

per capita vermont, new hampshire then hawaii.

8 years ago, the last time I looked this up, hawaii and vermont were the only two in single digits

# ? Feb 2, 2023 01:03

the bitcoin of weed: Nov 1, 2014

TenementFunster posted:

both the UK and Mississippi have a GDP per capita of ~$47,000.

the UK’s homicide rate is around 1.10 per 100,000 residents.

Mississippi’s rate is around 20.

lmfao

# ? Feb 2, 2023 01:05

A Bakers Cousin: Dec 18, 2003; by vyelkin

i think that shows you the quality of using gdp for...anything

# ? Feb 2, 2023 01:08

HashtagGirlboss: Jan 4, 2005

TenementFunster posted:

instead of doing these embarrassing mental gymnastics, just stop using racist language?

How do you even have a coherent conversation about gun violence if you aren�t talking about different types of gun violence that arise from different conditions that have different root causes and on and on

Like even an incel spree shooter in a public place is different from a workplace spree shooting, just gang gun violence is different than both, and also different than gun violence in domestic settings, and even different than gun violence in organized crime, and different than gun violence related to robbery. Just saying it�s racist doesn�t do much good if you�re looking to interrupt it or find solutions idk I�m just a dumb guy mentally gymnasting here

# ? Feb 2, 2023 01:09

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

The Voice of Labor posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_death_rates_in_the_United_States_by_state#Murders

you suck dude

per capita vermont, new hampshire then hawaii.

8 years ago, the last time I looked this up, hawaii and vermont were the only two in single digits

as a leftist materialist (and someone with a
human heart), i�m unable to ignore the ~30,000 gun deaths a year that the cops don�t classify as murders. lots of right-wing people do, however, so you have plenty of company when making this argument.

HashtagGirlboss posted:

How do you even have a coherent conversation about gun violence if you aren�t talking about different types of gun violence that arise from different conditions that have different root causes and on and on

Like even an incel spree shooter in a public place is different from a workplace spree shooting, just gang gun violence is different than both, and also different than gun violence in domestic settings, and even different than gun violence in organized crime, and different than gun violence related to robbery. Just saying it�s racist doesn�t do much good if you�re looking to interrupt it or find solutions idk I�m just a dumb guy mentally gymnasting here

you can�t provide a coherent definition of �gang shooting.� it�s a racist dog whistle without any real descriptive power and you should stop trying to justify using it.

e: lmao so mad you quoted the same sentence twice.

TenementFunster has issued a correction as of 01:15 on Feb 2, 2023

# ? Feb 2, 2023 01:11

The Voice of Labor: Apr 8, 2020

TenementFunster posted:

as a leftist materialist (and someone with a
human heart), i�m unable to ignore the ~30,000 gun deaths a year that the cops don�t classify as murders. lots of right-wing people do, however, so you have plenty of company when making this argument.

cool, so you have no problem conflating murder and suicide and are disappointed in people who don't. you're also knowingly posting misleading statistics

this is an argument I'd actually like to hear. how does someone, of their own volition, ending their own life equate to someone ending another person's life without their consent?

is it only suicide by gunshot that matters? that seems like a really weird distinction to draw

# ? Feb 2, 2023 01:22

Minecraft Holmes: Oct 21, 2016

i'm more concerned about the gun violence perpetrated by the cops

# ? Feb 2, 2023 01:33

tristeham: Jul 31, 2022

TenementFunster posted:

as a leftist materialist (and someone with a
human heart),

# ? Feb 2, 2023 01:35

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

The Voice of Labor posted:

cool, so you have no problem conflating murder and suicide and are disappointed in people who don't. you're also knowingly posting misleading statistics

you need to look up what �conflating� means, too. i�m simply not ignoring tens of thousands of deaths annually like you want to. i hope this is just some petty ego thing done for the sake of an internet argument instead of a reflection of your actual morality.

The Voice of Labor posted:

how does someone, of their own volition, ending their own life equate to someone ending another person's life without their consent?

this is an absolutely delusional and shockingly heartless way to describe the vast majority of suicide attempts, which are overwhelmingly the result of a short-term mental health crisis combined with access to lethal means, not the impassioned deliberation you imagine.

i wouldn�t have to explain to a normal person that of course �All Suicides Matter,� but
you should read up on the reality of suicide attempts, and the role of access to firearms in completion.

# ? Feb 2, 2023 01:36

StashAugustine: Mar 24, 2013; Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Like I get where you're coming from here TF but a) the stats on that are gonna be really hard to disentangle b) it's kinda dumb to expect someone to know to go foe those stats when it's not what the conversation is about

# ? Feb 2, 2023 01:38

RandomBlue: Dec 30, 2012; hay guys!; Biscuit Hider

The Voice of Labor posted:

cool, so you have no problem conflating murder and suicide and are disappointed in people who don't. you're also knowingly posting misleading statistics

this is an argument I'd actually like to hear. how does someone, of their own volition, ending their own life equate to someone ending another person's life without their consent?

is it only suicide by gunshot that matters? that seems like a really weird distinction to draw

guns make it super easy to kill people, yourself or others, it's not hard to figure out

gently caress off

# ? Feb 2, 2023 01:40

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

RandomBlue posted:

guns make it super easy to kill people, yourself or others, it's not hard to figure out

gently caress off

you can die when capitalism is done with you and not a moment before

# ? Feb 2, 2023 01:42

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

every gun out on the streets is one that isn't in the hands of the patriots and heroes in ukraine

# ? Feb 2, 2023 01:43

Adbot: ADBOT LOVES YOU

# ? Jun 11, 2024 21:09

ikanreed: Sep 25, 2009; I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

Okay that's actually a death cult.

# ? Feb 2, 2023 01:44

The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > C-SPAM > [Crazy America] The thread about ppl dying n shit... i dunno

«‹›186 »