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dogstile posted:I'm getting so tired of landing massive shatters and it not mattering because even tho i hit kiriko + their tank her E's travel time just means they stand up anyway.
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They should remove the one thing that makes playing Support remotely fun in any way. All of the abilities that have any effect on the match.
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Feb 2, 2023 18:17
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Why doesn’t Kiriko get any MIT points for suzu-ing a DPS ult? I prevented a death blossom from killing me and our tank and you’d never know it looking at the stat panel.
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Feb 2, 2023 18:22
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Dick Jones posted:Why doesn’t Kiriko get any MIT points for suzu-ing a DPS ult? I prevented a death blossom from killing me and our tank and you’d never know it looking at the stat panel. Blizzard is just a small indie company, cut them some slack.
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Feb 2, 2023 18:24
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dogstile posted:I'm getting so tired of landing massive shatters and it not mattering because even tho i hit kiriko + their tank her E's travel time just means they stand up anyway. *1% failure rate due to latency, die mad about it
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Feb 2, 2023 19:22
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Jack Trades posted:They should remove the one thing that makes playing Support remotely fun in any way. All of the abilities that have any effect on the match. Yes, this is exactly what i'm saying, not that giant AOE immunities are bullshit. Go back to complaining about how you can't follow a tank.
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Feb 2, 2023 19:27
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The suzu either needs to be changed to single target like nano or her other abilities need to get nerfed to compensate. The only comparable support powers are anas nade and sleep and her balance comes from a severe mobility issue which kiriko does not have. Lowering kiris heal is a step in the right direction, it was/is flat out better than mercy's in almost every way.
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Feb 2, 2023 19:29
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Mercy's no travel time for the heals is an excellent trade off, at least.
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Feb 2, 2023 19:30
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dogstile posted:Yes, this is exactly what i'm saying, not that giant AOE immunities are bullshit. The thing with these situations is, and its not just you in this situation, and I know you play support too, but in terms of the general form of "you", your giant AOE Earthshatter seems to be somehow skillful, sexy, cool, part of the essence of a first person game, but the support's AOE that was used to exactly cancel out yours on reflex and anticipation is unskilled, a "freebie" in your words, and seems to go against not just the spirit of fps games but basic human decency. Blizzard can keep listening to that kind of opinion if they like, but they may have to gently caress with their queueing system even more to keep those times down. Brendan Rodgers fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Feb 2, 2023 |
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Feb 2, 2023 19:42
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Brendan Rodgers posted:The thing with these situations is, and its not just you in this situation, and I know you play support too, but in terms of the general form of "you", your giant AOE Earthshatter is somehow skillful, sexy, cool, part of the essence of a first person game, but the support's AOE that was used to exactly cancel out yours on reflex and anticipation is unskilled, a "freebie", and seems to go against not just the spirit of fps games but basic human decency one is an Ultimate and one's an ability on an (admittedly long) cooldown, so I can understand why it feels like bullshit.
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Feb 2, 2023 19:43
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:one is an Ultimate and one's an ability on an (admittedly long) cooldown, so I can understand why it feels like bullshit. Where Rein just needs to charge an ult and then try to win a teamfight, Kiriko needs to Suzu many different abilities that have teamfight winning potential.
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Feb 2, 2023 19:46
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Brendan Rodgers posted:Where Rein just needs to charge an ult and then try to win a teamfight, Kiriko needs to Suzu many different abilities that have teamfight winning potential. Yeah but Ultimates are meant to feel impactful, you've worked to build them. It feels lovely when a character can just press button to nullify ult, it's yet another thing the Rein player has to play around to get any value, and it's made worse by the fact that it goes off after you think you've succeeded.
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Feb 2, 2023 19:48
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dogstile posted:Yes, this is exactly what i'm saying, not that giant AOE immunities are bullshit. I don’t know what you want supports to do if they can’t have abilities like that. That’s the whole point of Overwatch supports, sounds like you just got outplayed. E: I get that it sucks, but that’s the whole Rock Paper Scissors nature of the Overwatch design.
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Feb 2, 2023 19:51
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IMO, kirkios problem isn't the suzu itself but instead the fact that she can be anywhere and do anything. She has powerful heals, solid damage, top tier mobility, AND one of the best support powers in the game. Top it off with an absolutely bonkers ultimate and she's just the full package with no downside.
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Feb 2, 2023 19:56
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dogstile posted:Yes, this is exactly what i'm saying, not that giant AOE immunities are bullshit. Oh no, someone used an ability to counter my ability, woe is me.
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Feb 2, 2023 20:08
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Yeah but Ultimates are meant to feel impactful, you've worked to build them. It feels lovely when a character can just press button to nullify ult I agree, Dva's Ult should ignore Rein's Shield. It's a feelbad when a character can just press a button to nullify an Ult.
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Feb 2, 2023 20:11
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https://twitter.com/PlayOverwatch/status/1621222034029019138
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Feb 2, 2023 20:22
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Rein's shatter wind up is designed to be counterable if you react within that window. It feels cheap kiriko can be a few fractions of a second slower to react, get knocked on her rear end, and then everyone just pops up like nothing happened. It's not that bad gameplay-wise, it just feels bad because you landed your shatter. it's hard to land a good shatter, and you should be rewarded if you get the right people in it.
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Feb 2, 2023 20:23
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Jack Trades posted:I agree, Dva's Ult should ignore Rein's Shield. It's mainly this bit Gravitas Shortfall posted:it goes off after you think you've succeeded.
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Feb 2, 2023 20:28
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My biggest issue with Kiriko is that they haven't made all of the other Supports as impactful as her, and they should.
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Feb 2, 2023 20:30
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Alright, I think that gimmick has worn its course out. Stop using frozen tilesets and doing nothing with ice environmentals you cowards!
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Feb 2, 2023 20:38
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Give Ana triple headshot modifier. Fun guaranteed.
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Feb 2, 2023 20:39
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also, rein is the main character of the game, and everyone else should be designed around his greatness.
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Feb 2, 2023 20:47
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Maybe we’re getting a mythic Mei skin in S3. But I have the feeling mythic skins will be on a damage -> tank -> support cycle
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Feb 2, 2023 20:52
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Dick Jones posted:Maybe we’re getting a mythic Mei skin in S3. But I have the feeling mythic skins will be on a damage -> tank -> support cycle It's kiriko
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Feb 2, 2023 20:55
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Issaries posted:Give Ana triple headshot modifier. Fun guaranteed. Hear me out: If there's one thing movies have taught me it's that tranquilizer darts are most effective when they land on someone's hips or rear end. We need an rear end critbox.
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Feb 2, 2023 21:25
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headcase posted:Rein's shatter wind up is designed to be counterable if you react within that window. It feels cheap kiriko can be a few fractions of a second slower to react, get knocked on her rear end, and then everyone just pops up like nothing happened. It's not that bad gameplay-wise, it just feels bad because you landed your shatter. honestly one of the most fun things in this game is countering a Rein's shatter as a Sigma or Ram. But it's the difficulty of doing so that makes it fun
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Feb 2, 2023 21:33
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Father Wendigo posted:Hear me out: If there's one thing movies have taught me it's that tranquilizer darts are most effective when they land on someone's hips or rear end. Finally a Mei nerf
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Yeah but Ultimates are meant to feel impactful, you've worked to build them. It feels lovely when a character can just press button to nullify ult, it's yet another thing the Rein player has to play around to get any value, and it's made worse by the fact that it goes off after you think you've succeeded. See this is the thing, if Kiriko is just "press button to nullify ult" as you say, why is Rein not "press button to wipe enemy team"? Is it just the bar that Rein charges first? Everything a support does somehow becomes lesser.
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Feb 2, 2023 22:52
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Brendan Rodgers posted:See this is the thing, if Kiriko is just "press button to nullify ult" as you say, why is Rein not "press button to wipe enemy team"? Is it just the bar that Rein charges first? Everything a support does somehow becomes lesser. Shatter is countered by any sleep, stun, shield, personal shield (zarya), fortify, hook. The chances of getting a kiriko in range are not even that great, and she can shift away. Teams are already so spread out, tanks are basically unaffected by getting knocked down for a few seconds.
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Feb 2, 2023 23:13
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Brendan Rodgers posted:See this is the thing, if Kiriko is just "press button to nullify ult" as you say, why is Rein not "press button to wipe enemy team"? Is it just the bar that Rein charges first? Everything a support does somehow becomes lesser. If you don't know what the mechanical and emotional differences between ults and abilities is then idk what to tell you. Also lol at the idea that Kiriko is "somehow lesser" my dude, her ult is one of the best in the game and is almost impossible to interrupt. Wait, I've got an idea. Make Ana's nade cleanse Kiriko's ult if it hits it. Perfect counterplay.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:If you don't know what the mechanical and emotional differences between ults and abilities is then idk what to tell you. I love it, I hope that gets patched in.
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What’s the ideal power level of support then? Kiriko isn’t that strong and is probably the level that supports should be at if they want people to keep playing support. If they just want supports to be heal bots then remove them from the game and add passive healing.
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Feb 2, 2023 23:44
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Lord Packinham posted:What’s the ideal power level of support then? Kiriko isn’t that strong and is probably the level that supports should be at if they want people to keep playing support. The support on your team should be powerful, they have to keep the tank up and also heal the DPS, while tanking the enemy team. The support on the enemy team? They should only be able to provide a token amount of healing while being easy to shoot.
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tbh I'm a support main, I don't have a massive problem with Kiriko (I can't play her for poo poo, I usually plan Ana, Moira, or sometimes Zen), I just am sympathetic to Rein mains who finally land a shatter only to have it nullified. And also I loving hate having my nades be functionally worthless as well.
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Feb 3, 2023 00:21
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I would like these shatter nullifying Kirikos on my teams lol
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Ok dumb question, i haven't been able to play much OW2 and i can't get Rammatra in a reasonable time as a result (i don't even know how that works, TBQH). If i buy a later battle pass, do i get locked characters from prior seasons too? Getting Rammatra right away isn't a priority for me, but when i have time to start playing again, i might buy a battle pass just to unlock all the characters i couldn't get.
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leftist heap posted:I would like these shatter nullifying Kirikos on my teams lol it's a ridiculously tight window to execute on successfully and is latency dependent to a point that i wouldn't really expect anyone to do it more than 50% of the time outside of absolute top tier MMR or pro, at least on pure reaction if you're getting it nullified that much then my bet is you're giving the game away too early by e.g. running forwards in a way that makes it obvious you're about to earthshatter, which helps prep the kiriko to be ready to suzu. the easier you are to read, the easier it is to nullify earthshatter, which is why i also recommend getting that stupid loving football skin for reinhardt because the audio cue is completely different in terms of timing and will gently caress up most kirikos as a consequence
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thats the most compelling argument again train conductor reinhardt skin i've ever heard. Will consider
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Mister Fister posted:Ok dumb question, i haven't been able to play much OW2 and i can't get Rammatra in a reasonable time as a result (i don't even know how that works, TBQH). If i buy a later battle pass, do i get locked characters from prior seasons too? Getting Rammatra right away isn't a priority for me, but when i have time to start playing again, i might buy a battle pass just to unlock all the characters i couldn't get. You only get the current one from battle pass. There are easy challenges you can complete to unlock each previous new character or you can just buy them from the shop.
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