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Stravag posted:At this point, the one rifle is carried between 17 people and you have to hope the right ones bite it so you can put it back together Can you break a mosin down into that many parts?
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A.o.D. posted:Can you break a mosin down into that many parts? The bolt is six pieces, the stock is two, you've got the two stock bands, so we're already up to 10... Two screws hold on the magazine and trigger assembly, two screws hold on the buttplate, so that's 16. Barreled receiver makes 17 and we even have an extra in the form of the receiver tang screw. Didn't even have to take down the trigger assembly or the mag follower.
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Great now I'm picturing a platoon rushing a trench and then pausing to assemble a rifle like that scene from Naked Gun before they can fire down into it.
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McNally posted:The bolt is six pieces, the stock is two, you've got the two stock bands, so we're already up to 10... But you did have to break out a screwdriver. What are the odds those conscripts even have the accessory kit?
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quote:(Kyiv, January 31, 2023) – Ukraine should investigate its military’s apparent use of thousands of rocket-fired antipersonnel landmines in and around the eastern city of Izium when Russian forces occupied the area, Human Rights Watch said today. https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/01/31/ukraine-banned-landmines-harm-civilians
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Feb 2, 2023 20:16
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This article is annoyingly repetitive.
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McNally posted:This article is annoyingly repetitive. The NGOs seem to repeat themselves a LOT to cover their bases from people saying “but what about [other actor/time]!” And sometimes to cover the extent and limitations of witness statements.
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McNally posted:This article is annoyingly repetitive. mlmp08 posted:The NGOs seem to repeat themselves a LOT to cover their bases from people saying “but what about [other actor/time]!” That tracks. Definitely good to know.
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How are they so good at detecting this but not Russian war crimes?
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Crab Dad posted:How are they so good at detecting this but not Russian war crimes? Because they are afraid to operate in Russian controlled areas
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Crab Dad posted:How are they so good at detecting this but not Russian war crimes? I mean: https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/06/15/ukraine-russian-landmine-use-endangers-civilians https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/03/29/ukraine-russia-uses-banned-antipersonnel-landmines And that's just specifically landmines.
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Crab Dad posted:How are they so good at detecting this but not Russian war crimes? Every time they think they've finished a report a new incident comes in.
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Crab Dad posted:How are they so good at detecting this but not Russian war crimes? This is part of why they have to write repeatedly and directly into their reports, that they also cover Russian use of land mines, indiscriminate targeting, etc. In other corners of the internet, by contrast, HRW is accused of being a CIA / VOA front.
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This just goes to show that a ban on landmines is stupid and shortsighted because obviously you'd rather have some unexploded ordnance lying around than have the Russians come and kill and rape everyone. Ditto cluster bombs. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mortabis posted:This just goes to show that a ban on landmines is stupid and shortsighted because obviously you'd rather have some unexploded ordnance lying around than have the Russians come and kill and rape everyone. Ditto cluster bombs. Tell that to all the legless bosnian kids who just wanted to play soccer. The problem with landmines is that theyre not uxo. A landmine is doing exactly what its supposed to be doing, laying around waiting to be triggered. Its not an explosive payload that didnt detonate. My Spirit Otter fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Feb 3, 2023 |
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Mortabis posted:This just goes to show that a ban on landmines is stupid and shortsighted because obviously you'd rather have some unexploded ordnance lying around than have the Russians come and kill and rape everyone. Ditto cluster bombs. Stop defending landmines you loving weirdo.
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Mortabis posted:This just goes to show that a ban on landmines is stupid and shortsighted because obviously you'd rather have some unexploded ordnance lying around than have the Russians come and kill and rape everyone. Ditto cluster bombs. I'm more of a fan of the recent (not legacy) US approach: Maintain them in existence while withholding their use at rather high levels of authority and working to develop an alternative to the most miserable, stupid, long-lasting types of mines that existed in the past. Spend time and money on things that are more effective and also less inhumane and terrible to civilians, wildlife, etc. Anti-vehicle mines with a programmed expiration != anti-personnel mines that last forever. Cluster munitions over water != cluster munitions over neighborhoods. Etc.
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mlmp08 posted:I'm more of a fan of the recent (not legacy) US approach: Maintain them in existence while withholding their use at rather high levels of authority and working to develop an alternative to the most miserable, stupid, long-lasting types of mines that existed in the past. Spend time and money on things that are more effective and also less inhumane and terrible to civilians, wildlife, etc. Anti-vehicle mines with a programmed expiration != anti-personnel mines that last forever. Cluster munitions over water != cluster munitions over neighborhoods. Etc. Yeah unfortunately there isn't really a quick way to put up an obstacle belt if you aren't using mines. Tank ditches and wire take a lot of time and personnel, whereas mines can be delivered via artillery or aircraft. That said, I'm not sure there's a real operational purpose for APM these days other than trying to degrade enemy morale or kill a lot of civilians.
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I don't really flinch when forces use scatterable anti-tank mines. Modern ones have an expiration dates (or hours) built in. And it makes sense, for example, that Ukraine has used them as well as Russia using them to cover their withdrawal from Kherson. But the never-expires anti-personnel mines are just gnarly and hosed up, and they are terrible for civilians for years and years.
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psydude posted:Yeah unfortunately there isn't really a quick way to put up an obstacle belt if you aren't using mines. Tank ditches and wire take a lot of time and personnel, whereas mines can be delivered via artillery or aircraft. That said, I'm not sure there's a real operational purpose for APM these days other than trying to degrade enemy morale or kill a lot of civilians. What's wrong with anti-vehicle mines, though?
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Hyperlynx posted:What's wrong with anti-vehicle mines, though? they unfairly punish civilian tank enthusiasts for years to come
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I probably shouldn't joke too much about landmines since my grandpa was blown up by one and had half his body blown off or mangled. Then he got to spend 60 years living in pain, blind and unable to care for himself or even dress himself.
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How long does it take for them to rust into being harmless?
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Jimmy Smuts posted:How long does it take for them to rust into being harmless? Anti-personnel mines are generally fickle and unreliable and can last for decades. A lot of reasonably modern anti-tank mines have a self-deactivation period measured in hours or days.
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Jimmy Smuts posted:How long does it take for them to rust into being harmless? The course of decay for ordinance does not necessarily trend towards less dangerous.
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Mortabis posted:This just goes to show that a ban on landmines is stupid and shortsighted because obviously you'd rather have some unexploded ordnance lying around than have the Russians come and kill and rape everyone. Ditto cluster bombs. You are such a profoundly stupid loving idiot i dont know how your parents didnt drown you as a child to do the world a favor (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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My Spirit Otter posted:Tell that to all the legless bosnian kids who just wanted to play soccer. Please find one to touch tia (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Ooookay then. Let's go through this.Mortabis posted:This just goes to show that a ban on landmines is stupid and shortsighted because obviously you'd rather have some unexploded ordnance lying around than have the Russians come and kill and rape everyone. Ditto cluster bombs. gently caress this and gently caress you. Stravag posted:You are such a profoundly stupid loving idiot i dont know how your parents didnt drown you as a child to do the world a favor Whoop whoop. Pull up. Whoop whoop. The Aardvark posted:Please find one to touch tia "Go blow yourself up" is a hell of a response to "land mines bad."
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Stravag posted:You are such a profoundly stupid loving idiot i dont know how your parents didnt drown you as a child to do the world a favor Edit- beaten by McNally Mortabis’s take is dumb and worthy of ridicule. Personal attacks stop here though. We don’t need an internet slap fight in the current events thread. I am on mobile and can’t hand out sixers. So I am asking everyone to be adults and relax a bit.
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Really hard to criticize a country fighting off another country calling for the genocide of their people. Sure they suck and shouldn’t be used but…. Uh we arnt exactly sticking boots on ground.
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Any time a human rights NGO issues a report like this, there's this aggravating cognitive dissonance of their reports being far more critical of the more transparent side than the side that's objectively committing worse acts. They essentially say yadda yadda yadda we know the Russians are terrible, but have you seen what Ukraine is doing? Pointing this out obviously seems like you're defending bad behavior from your side. HRW is like the NCAA. They're harder on the people that cooperate than the ones that tell them to gently caress off.
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Crab Dad posted:Really hard to criticize a country fighting off another country calling for the genocide of their people. Sure they suck and shouldn’t be used but…. Uh we arnt exactly sticking boots on ground. I dont know, anti-personnel mines are pretty terrible and if you dont know where you placed them, you cant easily remove them.
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My Spirit Otter posted:I dont know, anti-personnel mines are pretty terrible and if you dont know where you placed them, you cant easily remove them. I understand that but what does it matter when you, your family and everyone you knew is relocated and enslaved if not straight out murdered?
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By sheer volume of reporting, nah. They're very clear that Russia is the aggressor and have detailed their war crimes at considerable length. That's why a bunch of dumbasses think they're a US gov mouthpiece.
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I think you would have to lay out your priorities and compare the damage caused vs effectiveness which is tough since its human lives either way. If the mines slow/stop the Russian advance its probably worth if you can keep track of the mined areas but I really have no idea how to examine this.
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My Spirit Otter posted:I dont know, anti-personnel mines are pretty terrible and if you dont know where you placed them, you cant easily remove them. Personal take is Ukraine wouldn't have needed to make that decision in the first place had Russian not tried to encircle and capture the capital. Hell of a choice to have to consider that when the entire country is mobilizing and trying to buy time to get additional material and aid from the west and anything that buys more hours is more time for your country to survive.
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GD_American posted:Any time a human rights NGO issues a report like this, there's this aggravating cognitive dissonance of their reports being far more critical of the more transparent side than the side that's objectively committing worse acts. They essentially say yadda yadda yadda we know the Russians are terrible, but have you seen what Ukraine is doing? You should really take a look at what HRW is actually reporting: https://www.hrw.org/europe/central-asia/ukraine It's a long string of stories almost entirely on Russian war crimes, with one recent report critical of Ukraine's use of landmines. This recent report is getting attention just because it's the exception to the rule.
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lightpole posted:I think you would have to lay out your priorities and compare the damage caused vs effectiveness which is tough since its human lives either way. If the mines slow/stop the Russian advance its probably worth if you can keep track of the mined areas but I really have no idea how to examine this. If you read the report, it describes them being fired into/around Russian held areas while Russia held Izium, not being used to stop an advance. So while it probably harmed Russians, firing them as a general harassment is no good. Not exactly firing mines into the gap to hold off a rushing offense. quote:“They are everywhere,” one Ukrainian deminer said, referring to PFM mines in the Izium area. Deminers estimated it could take decades to clear the area of landmines and other unexploded ordnance.
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My Spirit Otter posted:well gently caress, ukraine might as well use chemical weapons if thats how y'all feel Or nukes on defense. Or nukes at all? Why have them if you ain’t gonna use them? Ooh this war stuff is complicated.
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