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My wife has a bachelor's and I have an associate's We also have good jobs now that have nothing to do with those Hot take: the idea that post-secondary is important or should be mandatory is loving gross. Who cares? Thanks, professor I paid hundreds of dollars to, I now extra turbo double know MLA formatting and the themes of Macbeth. I am ready for English 1302. Burn university and college to the ground.
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It's a shame we're approaching the issue of men not getting into college as much as women using anecdotes and philosophical arguments. Maybe we should just, like, ask these young men why. I'm willing to bet it's simply about cost and support, not because they lacked fathers or were brainwashed by boomers.
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Feb 4, 2023 15:25
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Freakazoid_ posted:It's a shame we're approaching the issue of men not getting into college as much as women using anecdotes and philosophical arguments. Pew is way ahead of you, but sadly they don't really give a good why beyond "just didn't want to". quote:Men are more likely than women to point to factors that have more to do with personal choice. Roughly a third (34%) of men without a bachelor’s degree say a major reason they didn’t complete college is that they just didn’t want to. Only one-in-four women say the same. Non-college-educated men are also more likely than their female counterparts to say a major reason they don’t have a four-year degree is that they didn’t need more education for the job or career they wanted (26% of men say this vs. 20% of women). https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/11/08/whats-behind-the-growing-gap-between-men-and-women-in-college-completion/ The part where there's an interaction between male and being white in thinking you don't need a degree does support anecdotal data that a lot of young men expected to be able to coast off institutional privilege. Morrow fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Feb 4, 2023 |
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Feb 4, 2023 15:31
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Freakazoid_ posted:It's a shame we're approaching the issue of men not getting into college as much as women using anecdotes and philosophical arguments. I was one of those young men... i'm sure underlying causes have changed but in my experience it was because the entirety of American culture was aligned towards my success and I continued to get jobs I was massively unqualified for until job experience became more important than education. College just became less important when companies would put me in charge of 60+ employee divisions with just a high school diploma.
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Feb 4, 2023 15:32
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College is a real poo poo investment when you can get a database touching job with the Democrats with nothing more than a Udemy certificate that says you know SQL.
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Feb 4, 2023 15:39
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Burn university and college to the ground. The point of telling kids they need college to succeed and learning vocationally useless stuff is well-taken but I think knowledge and learning aren’t bad things op, maybe we could actually keep the repositories of human knowledge and just not shoehorn everyone into them?
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Feb 4, 2023 15:45
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Yeah I think part of the problem is that Uni is just a job training factory. I came out of university having effectively learned to hate academia and not much else. I'd prefer it if we gave people the ability to learn and grow without saying that "you need to do this for a good job". The best paid I've been since uni is working at a call centre not even vaguely connected to what I was doing before and I was a team leader at a major national museum.
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Morrow posted:Pew is way ahead of you, but sadly they don't really give a good why beyond "just didn't want to". You really don't need a degree as a white dude to be reasonably successful as long as you sound smart, show up and people think you're putting in effort. It took me until I was about 27 or so to figure all of that out (the putting in effort thing was the big stumbling block for me when I was younger) but like Bel Shazar says, it's amazing what they'll trust to a white guy with a high school diploma as long as that guy kind of sounds like he knows what he's talking about. The problem it seems these days is that dudes are just not putting in the effort compared to women. Like for me personally it was because I was clinically depressed from age 13 until I went to therapy at 26 and literally just did not give a poo poo about striving towards some kind of goal. I feel like there's probably a big disparity between men and women going to therapy and seeking social support from their peers because conventional masculinity in the western world is a very libertarian ethos. We're taught to be self sufficient, independent and to not express emotions or feelings besides anger. This is a very poor recipe for dealing with insecurities and the various trials of life, and internalizing all of that poo poo makes you into a bitter, depressed person who is not very fun to be around and probably someone who isn't doing a lot to improve themselves and be a better person.
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Feb 4, 2023 16:27
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College was really important to me. I was a very socially awkward goon and being forced into shared living with other people my age did a huge favor for me in terms of emotional maturity. No way would I have ended up in a successful career without that experience.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:My wife has a bachelor's and I have an associate's But also expect to see this a lot more if women continue to overtake men in terms of degree possession.
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pencilhands posted:College was really important to me. I was a very socially awkward goon and being forced into shared living with other people my age did a huge favor for me in terms of emotional maturity. No way would I have ended up in a successful career without that experience. This is one of the key parts of college. It’s forcing people to mingle with other people from lots of backgrounds. For some people, this is their first real exposure to people of color, or people from rural or city living. It’s a big part of building a more tolerant society because lots of people just continue with the same groups they had growing up for the rest of their life if they aren’t exposed to something different.
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i think it's interesting but unsurprising that four of the five largest states with home ownership disparities in favor of men are dominated by resource extraction. nevada also has a very large mining sector which probably accounts for its place there as well.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The other huge thing that is driving wildly divergent experiences in the post-pandemic economy is housing. Do you have sources to go along with this? I buy it, but I'd like to dig into it.
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This guy posted about it fairly frequently last year, though the 3rd picture in the post really drives home the most salient part. There was nearly 1 trillion dollars in mortgage equity withdrawals in a single year, all of which was driven by the highest income earners. Or, as he summarized in a different post, poor people used stimulus and cheap rates to pay down their mortgages (the negative values) and extinguish other debts, rich people, angry about being inconvenienced by covid, used their houses as ATMs to go on a spree of revenge-spending. The data itself he just gathers straight from government sources, BLS, Fannie Mae, etc. https://twitter.com/NewRiverInvest/status/1585566853060886528/photo/3
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Dopilsya posted:Thanks for that, that is interesting. The difference seems so little that enrollment splits can't just be due to some perception by men that it's less valuable or necessary. Yeah, what we need is a breakdown by gender and by whether they're going to college. This is just the closest data I could immediately think of. Morrow posted:Pew is way ahead of you, but sadly they don't really give a good why beyond "just didn't want to". This is a lot closer, thanks!
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https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1621924251128287234 It's now official. Anything else aside, it does remove the dynamic of the first two states having outsized influence compared to the second two despite being worth a combined 65 delegates to the latter two's 90 delegates. Michigan and Georgia take on an outsized role in whittling the field before actual Super Tuesday (a combined 230 pledged delegates in 2020) Paracaidas fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Feb 4, 2023 |
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Feb 4, 2023 18:33
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Why not just have all the primaries on the same day?
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Why not just have all the primaries on the same day? Apparently that's some sort of logistical nightmare. Also it makes it harder to manufacture the "This person is your inevitable candidate, don't even bother voting, you now support this person, unless you want the Other Political Party to win." narrative.
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SC being first sits weird with me, but I'll blame that on media narratives and say no more.
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How long does this take effect for? They were planning to change it up again every cycle, right?
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the_steve posted:Apparently that's some sort of logistical nightmare. Tbh I think it actually makes it LESS hard to do that. Upsets rely on snowballing early successes to even be possible, there's basically no chance if the underdog has to spend their limited resources fighting things out in The Entire Country At The Same Time. It's genuinely probably the logistical thing.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Why not just have all the primaries on the same day? Campaigning in every state at once is enormously expensive and difficult, which gives a massive advantage to heavily-connected candidates with a ton of funding, plenty of patronage connections, and national name recognition. It stacks the deck against smaller dark-horse or grassroots candidates, who can considerably bolster their name recognition and support by winning a couple of early states to show they're just as electable as the frontrunners.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Why not just have all the primaries on the same day? The staggered schedule has its own colossal flaws both with order (when Iowa and New Hampshire are disproportionately powerful in determining candidate viability, "viable" candidates tend to reflect what Iowa and New Hampshire are comfortable with) and with some similarity to the nationwide primary day challenge (spooling up from "surprise early state contender" to "I have ads, staff, and volunteers in every Super Tuesday state" is a bit easier than having a nationwide campaign from day one, but still intensely challenging on a grassroots-focused budget). the_steve posted:Also it makes it harder to manufacture the "This person is your inevitable candidate, don't even bother voting, you now support this person, unless you want the Other Political Party to win." narrative. haveblue posted:How long does this take effect for? They were planning to change it up again every cycle, right? Inertia will likely be difficult to overcome, especially if replacing South Carolina with a more.... homogenous... state.
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Having there be only 1 candidate left by the time I get to vote in the primary seems pretty loving undemocratic, though. Seems simpler to just put limits on how much candidates are allowed to spend during the primaries.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Having there be only 1 candidate left by the time I get to vote in the primary seems pretty loving undemocratic, though. Seems simpler to just put limits on how much candidates are allowed to spend during the primaries. If you're outside of a handful of states, national level primaries basically don't exist yeah, it's easy to get pretty cynical about them especially when you get to see so much effort being put into making sure the first one is the most reliably conservative and all on its own so the party and its agitprop networks can get to work. It's also the last time you get to vote on who may be President. Focus on the local stuff imho, vote if you think it'll help, but recognize when it won't so you can spend the energy doing something that will.
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single-mode fiber posted:This guy posted about it fairly frequently last year, though the 3rd picture in the post really drives home the most salient part. There was nearly 1 trillion dollars in mortgage equity withdrawals in a single year, all of which was driven by the highest income earners. Or, as he summarized in a different post, poor people used stimulus and cheap rates to pay down their mortgages (the negative values) and extinguish other debts, rich people, angry about being inconvenienced by covid, used their houses as ATMs to go on a spree of revenge-spending. The data itself he just gathers straight from government sources, BLS, Fannie Mae, etc. If you're responding to me I am afraid I do not understand this at all. Or how it relates to the original post.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Why not just have all the primaries on the same day? It's much cheaper to campaign in Iowa and NH and hope to coast on name recognition than having to campaign everywhere. Also it lets niche state issues dominate national politics, like you have to be pro-corn to compete in Iowa so every serious candidate favors corn subsidies which leads to HFCS in everything. Finally, it lets small low-hope candidates focus on one state hoping for a win, like Mayo Pete focusing solely on the white chud adjacent Iowa Democrat voters. All in all, it's the best system we have.
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Yeah that's a good point mpf. You can be an unknown nice guy and almost beat famous senator if you can start with a nice small state like Iowa or New Hampshire. Let's you build news cycles for future States
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Having there be only 1 candidate left by the time I get to vote in the primary seems pretty loving undemocratic, though. Seems simpler to just put limits on how much candidates are allowed to spend during the primaries. That pretty much just replaces the resources problem with the name recognition problem. Cycling through who gets to be when should probably happen but the gradual succession of primaries is genuinely probably the only way to even have a chance of upsets.
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Any real solution to the obviously intractable problems with the current method is much more likely to be along the lines of "no more campaigning" than it is "we've fiddled with the rules a bit." Campaigning isn't going anywhere unfortunately even if we're beyond the point where one could even argue people have learned more at the end than they would've gotten from a statement of positions of all candidates at the start. Too many careers rely on it and it's a cultural expectation. I can vote early here so when there's actually a candidate I can vote for, so I can at least knock it out early and never have to think about the race again.
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After Biden finished 5th in NH, it was clear the state could not be counted on to pick presidents. Thankfully SC stepped up.
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Boot and Rally posted:If you're responding to me I am afraid I do not understand this at all. Or how it relates to the original post. The relation is that it's not only that housing costs stayed flat for homeowners, it's that the top half of them also got a generational windfall of cash in a year, which they immediately turned around and windmill slammed into goods and service purchases. Their willingness to pay an enormous premium in order to get those immediately, instead of deferring for months or years, is a significant driver of overall inflation. Renters are worse off not only because of the direct negative effects of inflation, but also because they did not even get the opportunity to tap into this dynamic (they would've been limited to transfer payments like stimulus checks, child care tax credit, etc.).
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RealityWarCriminal posted:After Biden finished 5th in NH, it was clear the state could not be counted on to pick presidents. Thankfully SC stepped up. NH hasn't moved much, I don't think any faction in any party thinks they can rely on it to vote in a sensible or reliable way. Nevada moving up is the big victory provided it's not because they feel they've brought the unions and new leadership under heel.
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Georgia, Michigan, and Nevada would have made a lot more sense to me as all being on day one. Gives a good cross-section and signals to those places that they're important to Democrats.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Having there be only 1 candidate left by the time I get to vote in the primary seems pretty loving undemocratic, though. Seems simpler to just put limits on how much candidates are allowed to spend during the primaries. Establishment candidates and those beloved by corporate media (but I repeat myself) would give their firstborn to have a nationwide primary with spending limits. Epic High Five posted:it's easy to get pretty cynical about them especially when you get to see so much effort being put into making sure the first one is the most reliably conservative and all on its own so the party and its agitprop networks can get to work. Sanders decided not to bother quote:In January, efforts by Ms. Turner and others to direct some campaign resources into Super Tuesday states fizzled against opposition from Mr. Shakir and others. Mr. Shakir was adamant that Mr. Sanders’s path to the nomination ran principally through Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada, and the California primary on Super Tuesday. quote:The pollster, Ben Tulchin, in a meeting with campaign aides, recommended a new offensive to influence older black voters, according to three people briefed on his presentation. The data showed two clear vulnerabilities for Mr. Biden: his past support for overhauling Social Security, and his authorship of a punitive criminal justice law in the 1990s. It's absolutely possible that the DNC made this move trying to push the primaries in a more centrist and predictable direction. They are the sort of dumbasses who would ignore that South Carolina Dems consistently choose the more progressive and/or economically populist whenever those candidates pay attention to their state. Epic High Five posted:Campaigning isn't going anywhere unfortunately even if we're beyond the point where one could even argue people have learned more at the end than they would've gotten from a statement of positions of all candidates at the start. Timeless Appeal posted:Georgia, Michigan, and Nevada would have made a lot more sense to me as all being on day one. Gives a good cross-section and signals to those places that they're important to Democrats. Epic High Five posted:Focus on the local stuff imho, vote if you think it'll help, but recognize when it won't so you can spend the energy doing something that will.
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Balloon's down. https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1621958202924437504 For the best. GOP was starting to gear up for a heavy lean in on it. Also Blinken has cancelled his China trip. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fallout-suspected-spy-balloon-kills-huge-propaganda-win-china-rcna69157 quote:“This incident is incredibly embarrassing for Beijing. It reinforces concerns that most Western nations justifiably harbor about China’s great power ambitions,” Craig Singleton, a senior China fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, a Washington, D.C., think tank, told NBC News Saturday. -Blackadder- fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Feb 4, 2023 |
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The order of the states should have been randomized. Very simple, the candidates are going to raise a poo poo ton of money in any event no matter what order the states all start in election to election.
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