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A GIANT PARSNIP
Apr 13, 2010

Too much fuckin' eggnog


Shrecknet posted:

It should be 5 states per period (every 2 weeks), and the 5 should be one from each quintile of the states by population (so something like California, Colorado, Indiana, Maine, Wyoming). Certainly there's a way to do this with some geographic concessions for lower-budget campaigns, and then rotate the starting batch of five every four years.

Do this and also scale the delegate count so the first batch gets say 40% less than they normally would, the 2nd batch 20% less, the 3rd batch gets no scale, the 4th batch 20% more, and the 5th batch 40% more - that way you either get more say by going early or you get more say by having more delegates.

This would never work however because state governments get to determine primary election dates and good fuckin luck getting all 50 state governments (many who are run by your opponent) to agree to this.

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DeadlyMuffin
Jul 3, 2007

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

My wife has a bachelor's and I have an associate's

We also have good jobs now that have nothing to do with those

Hot take: the idea that post-secondary is important or should be mandatory is loving gross. Who cares? Thanks, professor I paid hundreds of dollars to, I now extra turbo double know MLA formatting and the themes of Macbeth. I am ready for English 1302.

Burn university and college to the ground.

Education, including secondary education should be free. The purpose of education shouldn't just be to get a job, there is a value in having an educated population, especially in a democracy.

That would also help fight engineer disease, where people are highly educated but only in a very specific area and think that makes them knowledgeable about everything. It would also help steer society if the people voting are in general more familiar with history, philosophy, etc.

Mock literature and English 1302 all you want, but someone who learns to dissect and analyze literature will be better able to analyze and dissect other written items in their life. We need more, better, and more assessable education. Not less.

World Famous W
May 25, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 5 hours!
we can all sigh in relief, america is once again safe

reignonyourparade
Nov 15, 2012

A GIANT PARSNIP posted:

Do this and also scale the delegate count so the first batch gets say 40% less than they normally would, the 2nd batch 20% less, the 3rd batch gets no scale, the 4th batch 20% more, and the 5th batch 40% more - that way you either get more say by going early or you get more say by having more delegates.

This would never work however because state governments get to determine primary election dates and good fuckin luck getting all 50 state governments (many who are run by your opponent) to agree to this.

Iirc the scaling already does happen,albeit not those exact numbers?

Leon Sumbitches
Mar 27, 2010

Dr. Leon Adoso Sumbitches (prounounced soom-'beh-cheh) (born January 21, 1935) is heir to the legendary Adoso family oil fortune.





At long last, our national nightmare is over.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster

Boot and Rally posted:

Do you have sources to go along with this? I buy it, but I'd like to dig into it.

Sure. What parts do you need?

Here's one for "roughly 40% of CPI is housing costs" - https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/IF12164.pdf

Here's one for how much rents increased post-pandemic (about 26%) - https://www.forbes.com/sites/brendarichardson/2022/06/22/sky-high-rental-prices-surpass-pre-pandemic-levels-by-more-than-25/

Here's one for "64% of people live in owner-occupied housing" - https://www.thezebra.com/resources/research/homeownership-statistics/

Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug

fuckin' sick

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster

World Famous W posted:

we can all sigh in relief, america is once again safe

The one in Costa Rica is still at large.

Once again, South America gets ignored while North America gets all the focus.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster

haveblue posted:

How long does this take effect for? They were planning to change it up again every cycle, right?

They are going to "review" them every cycle. They didn't commit to changing all of them every cycle, but they will "review" every cycle and change periodically based on "population diversity, general election competitiveness, union membership, and geographic diversity."

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

Shrecknet posted:

It should be 5 states per period (every 2 weeks), and the 5 should be one from each quintile of the states by population (so something like California, Colorado, Indiana, Maine, Wyoming). Certainly there's a way to do this with some geographic concessions for lower-budget campaigns, and then rotate the starting batch of five every four years.

I can't imagine any situation where you would want to try and equalize one person winning California and another winning Wyoming. Isn't California itself is still three times as much as the other 4 combined.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

DeadlyMuffin posted:

Education, including secondary education should be free. The purpose of education shouldn't just be to get a job, there is a value in having an educated population, especially in a democracy.

That would also help fight engineer disease, where people are highly educated but only in a very specific area and think that makes them knowledgeable about everything. It would also help steer society if the people voting are in general more familiar with history, philosophy, etc.

Mock literature and English 1302 all you want, but someone who learns to dissect and analyze literature will be better able to analyze and dissect other written items in their life. We need more, better, and more assessable education. Not less.

A broad education makes life more bearable. I studied the humanities and am far less miserable than older family members who got engineering degrees and have become or remained confused and hateful because they can’t think themselves out of very elementary media manipulation. The increased earning aren’t worth the lifetime of confusion and poor reasoning imo. Part of why old white men are so angry is because it must be really frustrating to not be able to understand anything they see or hear, and to be unable to follow arguments for why race is a social construction, or what a social construction even is, which makes them think they are being lied to. College should be free for all and not tied to the only means of social mobility left.

Maybe it’s better if you have access to the internet from childhood vs just having tv and maybe the newspaper, although I can think of a few ways it could be worse.

-Blackadder-
Jan 2, 2007

Game....Blouses.

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

The one in Costa Rica is still at large.

Once again, South America gets ignored while North America gets all the focus.

China's trying to get everyone to calm down.

But its generating a lot of comedy, probably see a Hollywood movie and some Oscar buzz.

quote:

Police in North Carolina warned people not to take “pot shots” at the balloon, as it was predicted to cross the area on Saturday. And police in Gastonia city asked people not to call them with sightings, saying they “don’t have the capability to respond to an altitude of 60k feet to check it out”.

Oxyclean
Sep 23, 2007


-Blackadder- posted:

China's trying to get everyone to calm down.

But its generating a lot of comedy, probably see a Hollywood movie and some Oscar buzz.

christ what do we even pay cops for if they can't pull over spy balloons?

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

DeadlyMuffin posted:

Education, including secondary education should be free. The purpose of education shouldn't just be to get a job, there is a value in having an educated population, especially in a democracy.

That would also help fight engineer disease, where people are highly educated but only in a very specific area and think that makes them knowledgeable about everything. It would also help steer society if the people voting are in general more familiar with history, philosophy, etc.

Mock literature and English 1302 all you want, but someone who learns to dissect and analyze literature will be better able to analyze and dissect other written items in their life. We need more, better, and more assessable education. Not less.

I agree. I find the idea that all education needs to be directly and immediately applicable to a chosen career path to be repellent.

A nation of people who don't understand anything about history or philosophy or sociology or art or literature or music and are only laser-focus educated for computer touching or engineering or nursing or whatever the current hot career path du jour that all the kids are told to go into at the given moment is the foundation of a dystopian nightmare. How can those people possibly make reasonably informed decisions about things even slightly outside of their area of expertise? How can they empathize with and understand people from other backgrounds or cultures? How can they understand when someone is selling them a scam?

The purpose of higher education shouldn't be simply to churn out degrees to get people jobs, it should be to round out a student's base of knowledge to help them become a better critical thinker and a more complete person. That's a noble and useful goal in and of itself.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH

Epic High Five posted:

Nevada moving up is the big victory provided it's not because they feel they've brought the unions and new leadership under heel.

Since 2020, Nevada has abandoned the caucus for a state primary, and implemented automatic mail ballots to all registered voters.

The union leadership will probably come to heel eventually because the public just passed the first vote (of two required) to replace primaries for state offices (not POTUS) with a top 5 open primary due to effective lobbying from out of state interests who wish to create wins for moderates by eliminating the advantage of winning a party nomination in a primary. Basically the system that allowed Murkowski to barely fend off the Trump pick, but with even more candidates to divide the base's activists and let the well-funded neolib win regardless of party. Though it's not proven that this actually helps moderates win more, this will likely still go a long way to blunt the usefulness of receiving union endorsements.

Edit: I just realized you meant the people leading the state party. They're clowns and nobody cares about them.

Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Feb 4, 2023

SirFozzie
Mar 28, 2004
Goombatta!

I AM GRANDO posted:

The equipment hanging from that balloon looked extremely basic and junky. Will it be recovered to show that there was no danger, or will that make things worse? I can imagine that either way conspiracy theorists will claim the truth of what was on the balloon is being buried.

It's Schrodinger's Balloon.

If you think it's not a big deal, that countries have overflown just about everyone ever since it was possible, it's a non-story

If you think it's a violation of US Territory, and are into conspiracy theories, this is the test run to drop the next COVID/mind control/communist think on America, this is a big deal.

It's in 47 feet of water, so not hard to pick out, but even if it's all found, there will be folks who claim that Biden is hiding the details to not panic everyone.

Blorange
Jan 31, 2007

A wizard did it

Does China not have spy satellites? What could be done from a balloon that you couldn't do more reliably from space?

kdrudy
Sep 19, 2009

Oxyclean posted:

christ what do we even pay cops for if they can't pull over spy balloons?

It was big and white so we can be pretty sure they weren't going to shoot it.

Tnega
Oct 26, 2010

Pillbug

SirFozzie posted:

It's Schrodinger's Balloon.

If you think it's not a big deal, that countries have overflown just about everyone ever since it was possible, it's a non-story

If you think it's a violation of US Territory, and are into conspiracy theories, this is the test run to drop the next COVID/mind control/communist think on America, this is a big deal.

It's in 47 feet of water, so not hard to pick out, but even if it's all found, there will be folks who claim that Biden is hiding the details to not panic everyone.

It is a big deal, ironically, because it *isn't* a big deal. The reason it matters is that it shows a willingness on the part of the PRC to just do random deniable provocations to see what happens. Tautologically speaking, the reason a rational actor would increase global chaos is that they think that they are better off in a more chaotic globe.

Alkydere
Jun 7, 2010
Capitol: A building or complex of buildings in which any legislature meets.
Capital: A city designated as a legislative seat by the government or some other authority, often the city in which the government is located; otherwise the most important city within a country or a subdivision of it.



Blorange posted:

Does China not have spy satellites? What could be done from a balloon that you couldn't do more reliably from space?

Cause idiots to panic while China deniably goes "We're not poking you! We're not poking you!"

CmdrRiker
Apr 8, 2016

You dismally untalented little creep!

Actually, that is a lot of relatively sophisticated equipment considering it is strapped to a temporary balloon that seems to only be capable of being piloted by the atmospheric entropy. I hope it is surveying global weather patterns for climate change purposes and not nuclear fallout range purposes.

Blorange posted:

Does China not have spy satellites? What could be done from a balloon that you couldn't do more reliably from space?

Nothing. Telescopes are crazy good and dropping lower in orbit wouldn't guarantee better forecast visibility or resolution.

CmdrRiker fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Feb 5, 2023

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Craptacular! posted:

Since 2020, Nevada has abandoned the caucus for a state primary, and implemented automatic mail ballots to all registered voters.

The union leadership will probably come to heel eventually because the public just passed the first vote (of two required) to replace primaries for state offices (not POTUS) with a top 5 open primary due to effective lobbying from out of state interests who wish to create wins for moderates by eliminating the advantage of winning a party nomination in a primary. Basically the system that allowed Murkowski to barely fend off the Trump pick, but with even more candidates to divide the base's activists and let the well-funded neolib win regardless of party. Though it's not proven that this actually helps moderates win more, this will likely still go a long way to blunt the usefulness of receiving union endorsements.

Edit: I just realized you meant the people leading the state party. They're clowns and nobody cares about them.

I'm in agreement, but I meant the DSA people who are the actual party and not the clowns in exile. I'm not ruling out the former having become clowns but I meant the most recent slate who are the ones actively being minimalized.


SC being reliably conservative isn't my assessment, it's the DNC's own, and how it tacks in the general supports that. It'll be a state as lost to the party entirely as Ohio, Florida, and my own are if the bench there isn't up to snuff.

I'm not terribly interested in co-sponsoring doomed bills this or messaging campaign that and whatever, I listen to what primary candidates/reps say and trust them. Booker, Harris, Gillibrand, Obama, etc etc firmly believe that healthcare should be run through insurance companies and I believe them when they say it. They're welcome to pass M4A and prove me wrong. Just like they're welcome to pass HR1 and legal weed and DC statehood and national abortion protections. Until then, I'm not going to seriously consider them representative of my personal politics. I'm a socialist, they very proudly aren't, just check the signatures on the completely nonsensical resolution and who clapped for Trump when he said America wasn't a place my politics are welcome. They know the score, I know the score. They forget when it comes time to pass the begging bowl around and I forget when I'm trying to be polite in mixed company.

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Blorange posted:

Does China not have spy satellites? What could be done from a balloon that you couldn't do more reliably from space?

The US uses balloons in border surveillance, as high-altitude cameras and radar sets that can hover over the border for long periods of time and detect vehicles crossing outside of authorized areas.

Not sure how that would be applicable to China, though!

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH

Epic High Five posted:

I'm in agreement, but I meant the DSA people who are the actual party and not the clowns in exile. I'm not ruling out the former having become clowns but I meant the most recent slate who are the ones actively being minimalized.

No, I'm saying the Twitter leftists (Mastodon leftists?) who took seats in the party leadership council because nobody bothered to run are mostly clowns that nobody cares about. Nobody who has been building the party's lead for 15 years thinks much of them, including other progressive groups who were here long before Terminally Online DSA People existed.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Craptacular! posted:

No, I'm saying the Twitter leftists (Mastodon leftists?) who took seats in the party leadership council because nobody bothered to run are mostly clowns that nobody cares about. Nobody who has been building the party's lead for 15 years thinks much of them, including other progressive groups who were here long before Terminally Online DSA People existed.

Well, that doesn't speak highly of the old guard who were ousted by the unserious terminally online clowns I guess. It's still a solidly purple state with an economy that's on a knife edge or housing and climate catastrophe, if the party thinks it's solid blue enough to start triangulating and minimizing the influence of their only allies there to make room for more people to be parachuted in it doesn't bode well.

Paracaidas
Sep 24, 2016
Consistently Tedious!

Epic High Five posted:

I'm not terribly interested in co-sponsoring doomed bills this or messaging campaign that and whatever, I listen to what primary candidates/reps say and trust them. Booker, Harris, Gillibrand, Obama, etc etc firmly believe that healthcare should be run through insurance companies and I believe them when they say it.
Indeed. My point (apparently poorly made) is that the statement of positions here

Epic High Five posted:

Campaigning isn't going anywhere unfortunately even if we're beyond the point where one could even argue people have learned more at the end than they would've gotten from a statement of positions of all candidates at the start.
Is pretty useless when candidates from Kamala and Booker to Sanders can claim to support medicare for all without any additional opportunity to clarify, differentiate, or rebut

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Paracaidas posted:

Indeed. My point (apparently poorly made) is that the statement of positions here

Is pretty useless when candidates from Kamala and Booker to Sanders can claim to support medicare for all without any additional opportunity to clarify, differentiate, or rebut

Oh yeah I think I misinterpreted, apologies, couple weeks of insomnia and me brain no work good. New times calls for new personal litmus tests or just going by what they've actually done and ignoring whatever official platform is being put out. At least they're not UK Labour, yet at least, though I maintain they would be by now if Bernie had won.

Barrel Cactaur
Oct 6, 2021

Blorange posted:

Does China not have spy satellites? What could be done from a balloon that you couldn't do more reliably from space?

Based on the size and shape of the device you could pick up low to mid power EM, or get better photos with a cheaper camera (or count ants with the same camera). Oh also get the exact barometer readings, super important for spying on people.

If it was intentional [citation needed] at all, it could just be to raise heckles. Airspace violations are a low risk affair so long as the craft doing it isn't nuclear capable.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Barrel Cactaur posted:

Based on the size and shape of the device you could pick up low to mid power EM, or get better photos with a cheaper camera (or count ants with the same camera). Oh also get the exact barometer readings, super important for spying on people.

If it was intentional [citation needed] at all, it could just be to raise heckles. Airspace violations are a low risk affair so long as the craft doing it isn't nuclear capable.

the more usual phrase is raise hackles but now I'm going to go outside and shout insults about the balloon's mom

Anno
May 10, 2017

I'm going to drown! For no reason at all!

Is this the first time an F-22 has ever shot down an airborne target?

shoeberto
Jun 13, 2020

which way to the MACHINES?

Barrel Cactaur posted:

Airspace violations are a low risk affair so long as the craft doing it isn't nuclear capable.

CAMPBELL: Snake, your mission is to infiltrate the PRC research station. We have intelligence suggesting they're working on a weapon to surpass Metal Gear. A nuclear equipped floating battle balloon.

Tulul
Oct 23, 2013

THAT SOUND WILL FOLLOW ME TO HELL.

Blorange posted:

Does China not have spy satellites? What could be done from a balloon that you couldn't do more reliably from space?

Stand (relatively) still and be cheap. Objects in orbit are moving incredibly fast - the ISS is traveling about 7.6 kilometers per second relative to the Earth, for reference. Pointing a camera at a tiny piece of it and getting any kind of usable image of it is an incredible technical feat and the number of images you'll be able to get before the satellite crosses the horizon is limited. On top of that, satellites have very little ability to move in their orbital paths, so if you want images of a particular bit of dirt, you probably need to wait for your satellite's orbit to intersect with your target again.

By contrast, if it had had a person onboard, someone in the balloon probably could have snapped some pretty good pics with a Canon and they'd have a lot more time to get them.

Twincityhacker
Feb 18, 2011

Or the Chinese government could be doing a Secret Third Thing, by combining the spying with weather information. Send off a weather balloon, and if it grabs pictures of targets while it happens to be collecting weather information, double prizes.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.
The US also at least attempts to track and monitor satellite launches and coverage.

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010

World Famous W posted:

we can all sigh in relief, america is once again safe

can we?

unless Biden took down the balloon himself in a mech like in Metal Wolf Chaos how can we be safe?


Also in timelines where Dark Biden did Metal Wolf Chaos it, Fox is still shouting bs.

pencilhands
Aug 20, 2022

The interior west/northwest gets kinda screwed in this new primary setup. They should have added colorado or montana or something as the 6th state to go imo.

Zotix
Aug 14, 2011



Anno posted:

Is this the first time an F-22 has ever shot down an airborne target?

I believe this is true.

Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug
I think the real horror story would be biological weaponry, anthrax or something similar. Obviously this wasn't that but it does serve as a proof of concept, intentional or not.

Edit: alternatively, perhaps all those UFO reports really were weather balloons...

Tayter Swift fucked around with this message at 04:06 on Feb 5, 2023

Eric Cantonese
Dec 21, 2004

You should hear my accent.
Weather balloons.

Balloons... that control the weather.

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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Craptacular! posted:

SC being first sits weird with me, but I'll blame that on media narratives and say no more.

Reward for services rendered.

I AM GRANDO posted:

A broad education makes life more bearable. I studied the humanities and am far less miserable than older family members who got engineering degrees and have become or remained confused and hateful because they can’t think themselves out of very elementary media manipulation. The increased earning aren’t worth the lifetime of confusion and poor reasoning imo. Part of why old white men are so angry is because it must be really frustrating to not be able to understand anything they see or hear, and to be unable to follow arguments for why race is a social construction, or what a social construction even is, which makes them think they are being lied to. College should be free for all and not tied to the only means of social mobility left.

Maybe it’s better if you have access to the internet from childhood vs just having tv and maybe the newspaper, although I can think of a few ways it could be worse.

There's reasons Republicans are literally constantly railing against higher education and especially non-technical education. They see how people are less likely to become angry, scared, easily led frothing reactionaries when they go there, and want it to stop.

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