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Sagebrush posted:An airplane from that era would have trouble reaching the balloon's altitude. I did a brief look around and the M3 90mm AA gun lists its max ceiling as 43,500’. So, I think hitting that balloon with AAA is pretty unlikely since it’s up at 65k. Edit: the 120mm M1 is listed at 57k ft so, maybe with modern propellants? Murgos fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Feb 5, 2023 |
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Murgos posted:I did a brief look around and the M3 90mm AA gun lists its max ceiling as 43,500’. So, I think hitting that balloon with AAA is pretty unlikely since it’s up at 65k. The Heavy AAA (M1 120mm) had a max effective alt of around 57-58k, absolute max around 60k or so. Had the nickname stratosphere gun, but not clear how small of a lateral engagement envelope or how inaccurate it would be at max alt. They served from 1944-60.
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Time to get some mobile Project HARP hardware
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:Does the FedEx pilot get a Trophy from their employer or something? This ain't golf!
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Platystemon posted:That’s not even one of the bad ones. Dude wanted a woman instructor so there'd actually be a woman who might give a poo poo when he died. 
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Australian Spy Balloon
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:Australian Spy Balloon   
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No Australian Spy Balloon is Rosie
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PainterofCrap posted:It's going to go down in the books as the only jet---> balloon kill in history. I'm honestly curious if it took them this long to shoot it down simply because they weren't sure the weapons system could reliably lock onto the balloon target
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Boeing 737-3H4 Registration N619SW has impacted the ground while fighting fires in Australia's Fitzgerald River National Park. Last reading showed them at 675 ft altitude, 101 knots. Both crew walked away with minor injuries, and were airlifted to Ravensthorpe Airport for treatment. The aircraft is a write-off. https://twitter.com/PilotPoli/status/1622536889852129280
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Not surprised it's a write off after slamming into the ground at 100 knots. Fairly surprised the crew weren't a write off, though.
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Crikey how did they manage to survive?
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monkeytennis posted:Crikey how did they manage to survive? It was a good landing
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Any tips for a good meal and decent drinks at DCA/Reagan/National? I’ve been in and out of there a bunch the last year and it’s pretty dire.
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Murgos posted:Any tips for a good meal and decent drinks at DCA/Reagan/National? yeah: eat somewhere else
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I think there's, uh, a five guys
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Hatay airport https://twitter.com/ankara_cevirme/status/1622478708756848640 I wonder what the NOTAM is for that, er, runway speed bump.
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Murgos posted:Any tips for a good meal and decent drinks at DCA/Reagan/National? https://dc.eater.com/2015/5/20/8629479/reagan-national-airport-dining-guide-dc
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I assume that any rag that calls it “Reagan” would direct me to the place where I’d get food poisoning.
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Hadlock posted:I'm honestly curious if it took them this long to shoot it down simply because they weren't sure the weapons system could reliably lock onto the balloon target I like to imagine some Raytheon engineers working around the clock, frantically welding up harbor freight solar panels to some aluminum tubes and buying whatever balloon they can get their hands on and driving to white sands just to make sure their missile isn’t a national embarrassment CarForumPoster fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Feb 7, 2023 |
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Battle of Palmdale was a bad look.
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ecureuilmatrix posted:Hatay airport See, this "glitch" is actually accurately modeled in Flight Simulator 2020.
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Murgos posted:Any tips for a good meal and decent drinks at DCA/Reagan/National? No, it's extremely bad like all the airports in the DC area.
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So guys, that balloon was giganticNebakenezzer posted:Wait, wait
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I’ve eaten at several of their recommended spots and I can just say that I don’t recommend them. I had the worst margarita and chips and salsa of my life at El Centro. I haven’t tried terminal A yet, maybe something there will surprise me. Or, I could just do legal, at least then I know what I’m getting.
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Nebakenezzer posted:So guys, that balloon was gigantic Oh yeah no, they’re all stupidily big. Though this appears to have been carrying a good bit larger payload than your average weather balloon so even more so here. This said, you can tear/damage the material just by handling it with your hands so I’d assume even the suggestion of shrapnel would take it out. Probably could have at a gun kill with it fairly easily.
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Historically the problem with shooting down balloons is that bullets hardly do anything. The envelope is at barely more than atmospheric pressure, and when you've got 100,000 cubic meters of gas, the loss through a hole half an inch in diameter is almost unnoticeable. Explosive cannon shells also aren't as effective as you'd think, because they pass right through the skin without enough force to set them off and all you get is a somewhat larger puncture. Incendiary bullets, though, with a little lump of phosphorous burning in the tail...
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Sagebrush posted:Historically the problem with shooting down balloons is that bullets hardly do anything. The envelope is at barely more than atmospheric pressure, and when you've got 100,000 cubic meters of gas, the loss through a hole half an inch in diameter is almost unnoticeable. Explosive cannon shells also aren't as effective as you'd think, because they pass right through the skin without enough force to set them off and all you get is a somewhat larger puncture. … did wonders when they were using hydrogen, but it’s all helium now Unless you’re saying you can light the envelope itself on fire on a modern balloon
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Sagebrush posted:Historically the problem with shooting down balloons is that bullets hardly do anything. The envelope is at barely more than atmospheric pressure, and when you've got 100,000 cubic meters of gas, the loss through a hole half an inch in diameter is almost unnoticeable. Explosive cannon shells also aren't as effective as you'd think, because they pass right through the skin without enough force to set them off and all you get is a somewhat larger puncture. Impact fuses were disused for AAA work before ww1, come on. An equivalent mass of explosives going off by timer or sensor will be the same effective, regardless if it's delivered in a shell or a shell with an burnt out engine in the back. Putting wings and engines on the gun and the ability to steer the grenade are decisions made for other considerations.
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:Impact fuses were disused for AAA work before ww1, come on. Not in aerial gunnery with cannon shells, e.g. a 20mm Hispano, which is what I was talking about.
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Warbird posted:Oh yeah no, they’re all stupidily big. Though this appears to have been carrying a good bit larger payload than your average weather balloon so even more so here. This said, you can tear/damage the material just by handling it with your hands so I’d assume even the suggestion of shrapnel would take it out. Probably could have at a gun kill with it fairly easily. Canada tried to shoot down their own balloon a few years ago and bullets didn't do much if at all to it. Shooting a missile and causing an explosion is the easiest way to ensure a big hole gets ripped in the balloon and it falls.
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david_a posted:… did wonders when they were using hydrogen, but it’s all helium now Which is pretty astonishing given how much helium that would have taken. That balloon was loving expensive, before it even had a payload attached. For a high altitude unmanned balloon I'd really think hydrogen would be the play.
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How bad would it be if you flew into one of those balloons? When I was a little kid I thought of an anti airship device that was just a long steel cable you would let reel out the back of a plane, it wasn't till I was older that realized that ww1 planes could not fly that high 
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