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Unlike Keith Baker, Matt still owns Exandria and things related to it. They were able to maintain control over their setting. It extremely sucks that Keith can only make Eberron things on DM's guild and can't sell his own thing separately.
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Siivola posted:I’m having trouble deciding whether the starter boxes or Curse of Strahd are the most iconic adventures, so wherever those are set I guess. I feel like Strahd is one of the most iconic adventures, but part of that is because of how distinct it is from normal 5E in tone. It'd be like saying Dark Sun or Spelljammer is The setting for an edition.
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Dexo posted:Unlike Keith Baker, Matt still owns Exandria and things related to it. They were able to maintain control over their setting. That does suck rear end, and you can tell Keith still loves the world from how he keeps contributing to it. He deserves better than that even if he did probably sign away all rights to it from the campaign setting contest it came from. I just think as far as 5e getting "new" settings, well Exandria is it, and that's very emblematic of the state of 5e. Nuns with Guns fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Feb 6, 2023 |
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I wish Wizards would show Mystara a little love.
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Feb 6, 2023 17:55
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For what it's worth I don't need new settings. I want more fleshed out Forgotten Realms outside the Sword Coast. What the gently caress is going on in Cormyr rn?
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Feb 6, 2023 17:58
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What's the elevator pitch for Exandria?
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Feb 6, 2023 18:05
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CitizenKeen posted:What's the elevator pitch for Exandria? "Do you listen to a podcast"
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Dexo posted:For what it's worth I don't need new settings. My favorite part is a sidebar in one of the FR Books about how Not-Egypt somehow survived having a continent dropped on it but it's fine now because Ra came down and told them to knock it off with all the slavery and racism so they're Good Now please stop asking.
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Feb 6, 2023 18:12
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Dexo posted:For what it's worth I don't need new settings. Oh man I loved the Cormyr novels
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Feb 6, 2023 18:12
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Improbable Lobster posted:"Do you listen to a podcast" I don't listen to CR, no. Is it just "another fantasy setting", or does it have actually notable changes in theming like Dark Sun, Spelljammer, and Eberron?
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Feb 6, 2023 18:14
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CitizenKeen posted:What's the elevator pitch for Exandria? Fallen world fantasy. A long time ago in the Age of Arcanum there was a world of super high magic and tech, advanced enough that certain people became gods, the roads to other realms were wide open and humans and the divine interacted freely. Then The Calamity took place: The Betrayer Gods were released onto the mortal plane and started destroying everything, and the Prime Deities fought them in a battle that nearly destroyed the world and ended with the banishment of both the Betrayer Gods and the Prime Deities, leading to a damaged world with less direct contact to the gods, magic being significantly less powerful, and there being vestiges of ancient tech scattered all over the place. About eight hundred years later, our story starts.
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CitizenKeen posted:What's the elevator pitch for Exandria? It's just like a generally more well thought out world that feels cohesive than what Wizards has put out recently with forgotten realms. It's not something that is unique or anything like a Ravnica or Eberron, it's just a well done execution of fantasy. Where the source books they've released cover two of the entire continents and have stories and hooks to use.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Oh man I loved the Cormyr novels Wow I didn’t think it was possible for you to be any cooler but yet
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I don't know who's the audience for little regional books on bits of forgotten realms to make it worth actually publishing as physical books.
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I picked up a Tamora Pierce book as a teen and couldn't quite get into it, but The Steel Princess was a formative role model.
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Panzeh posted:I don't know who's the audience for little regional books on bits of forgotten realms to make it worth actually publishing as physical books. You don't need to have it be small regions. You could do a book about an entire continent. Also Paizo is doing and making books around regions like the Impossible lands and the Mwangi Expanse. It can be done.
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Xelkelvos posted:In comics? All the time. Most of them just end up fading into obscurity because they tend to be a writer's pet creation or no one is interested in them or both. Just about every relaunch there's at least one or two new series that tries and headlines a new character. The latest one by DC is "Monkey King" based off of the mythological character. Three or more ago, it was the character Sideways. That's a good, informative answer from the perspective of someone who has kept themselves informed of what Marvel and DC are doing. But I had no idea they were doing any of that so I bet Hasbro execs trying to make an MCU happen out of their IP through mimicry of Marvel/DC probably don't realise they do that either.
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Panzeh posted:I don't know who's the audience for little regional books on bits of forgotten realms to make it worth actually publishing as physical books. It existed during 3.5, There were several books on little regions of the forgotten realms. And honestly that's what the Sword Coast Adventurers Guide was, it just happened to be a regional book about the one region they cared about.
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Kurieg posted:It existed during 3.5, There were several books on little regions of the forgotten realms. And honestly that's what the Sword Coast Adventurers Guide was, it just happened to be a regional book about the one region they cared about. There were two in 4e even - Neverwinter and Menzoberranzan.
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https://twitter.com/Polygon/status/1622632488357986307
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Xelkelvos posted:In comics? All the time. Most of them just end up fading into obscurity because they tend to be a writer's pet creation or no one is interested in them or both. Just about every relaunch there's at least one or two new series that tries and headlines a new character. The latest one by DC is "Monkey King" based off of the mythological character. Three or more ago, it was the character Sideways. I don't keep track of DC very much, but here are some Marvel characters who have debuted since D&D 5th Edition launched:
So, you know, Marvel is creating successful characters all the time. But it's a spaghetti-hits-the-wall scenario; most of the characters they introduce / launch die on the vine. If D&D still had Dragon and Dungeon, they could do what Marvel / DC does. Hire somebody to write up a ten page setting every month. Include two feats, a spell, etc. The problem is that D&D only launches two or three things a year, so the comparison isn't to comics, it's to tentpole movies. When you only put out two or three things a year, you're not going to release "art", you're going to go back to a familiar and established brand.
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CitizenKeen posted:I don't keep track of DC very much, but here are some Marvel characters who have debuted since D&D 5th Edition launched: You forgot Moongirl and Devil Dino!
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CitizenKeen posted:If D&D still had Dragon and Dungeon, they could do what Marvel / DC does. Hire somebody to write up a ten page setting every month. Include two feats, a spell, etc. The problem is that D&D only launches two or three things a year, so the comparison isn't to comics, it's to tentpole movies. When you only put out two or three things a year, you're not going to release "art", you're going to go back to a familiar and established brand. Also, if you release two to three things a year, you're not going to put out a Chult guide, you're going to want to be doing something a little less niche.
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Bottom Liner posted:You forgot Moongirl and Devil Dino! Well, Moon Girl. Devil Dinosaur is from the 70s. Also Kamala predates 5e by like a few months, but whatever, she's great. Also her and Ironheart have made incredibly fast leaps from page to screen.
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Bottom Liner posted:You forgot Moongirl and Devil Dino! drat, you're right.
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Bottom Liner posted:You forgot Moongirl and Devil Dino! Jack Kirby created Devil Dinosaur in 1978  Note Moon Boy, who I guess has been converted into Moon Girl, which is fine of course but I'd argue means she isn't an original character either.
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Oh huh they axed Dragon+ last year.
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theironjef posted:Well, Moon Girl. Devil Dinosaur is from the 70s. Leperflesh posted:Note Moon Boy, who I guess has been converted into Moon Girl, which is fine of course but I'd argue means she isn't an original character either. Moon Boy is a different character than Moon Girl. Almost no Marvel characters are "original". See, e.g., the entire list of what I posted. Everything's a derivation of a thing that came before. This is also true of most D&D settings.
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Leperflesh posted:Jack Kirby created Devil Dinosaur in 1978 I... would not personally want to make that argument. CitizenKeen posted:Almost no Marvel characters are "original". See, e.g., the entire list of what I posted. Everything's a derivation of a thing that came before. This is also true of most D&D settings. I was racking my brain for characters that really are original (even Gwenpool who doesn't really have anything to do with Gwen Stacy or Deadpool besides being inspired by a picture of the one drawn as the other hardly counts) and you either have to go into some obscurities, side projects, or further into the past. Stuff like that weird attempt at a new New Warriors that never happened because Snowflake and Safe Space are extremely terrible concepts. But Nico Minoru is a good example, she showed up around 2001 and has broken into video games and stuff and has a unique power and vibe. Also 2003 or so what when Reptil showed up, and his goofy "turn parts of his body into dinosaur parts" bit certainly hasn't shown up anywhere else. But neither has he really, he squibbed out. theironjef fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Feb 6, 2023 |
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Oh OK I just assumed, lol! CitizenKeen posted:Almost no Marvel characters are "original". Well, fair enough, although they've got like hundreds of characters in their back catalog, maybe thousands, so the full gamut of types of hero have pretttty much been covered anyway. I haven't bought a superhero comic in decades so I guess it's showing.
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Lurks With Wolves posted:Not Lamuella, but making one good new setting for an edition really crystalizes what fantasy that edition is focused on, Splicer fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Feb 6, 2023 |
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As someone moderately new to GMing, I do feel a bit sad to have missed the age of the Official Magazine. Yeah, I could subscribe to a Pathfinder Adventure Path, but it feels like it would be nice to get a monthly or quarterly mag with a small adventure, a few neat bits and pieces, and some random poo poo.
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Lamuella posted:As someone moderately new to GMing, I do feel a bit sad to have missed the age of the Official Magazine. Yeah, I could subscribe to a Pathfinder Adventure Path, but it feels like it would be nice to get a monthly or quarterly mag with a small adventure, a few neat bits and pieces, and some random poo poo. for the record that's what a pathfinder adventure path is, it's like half adventure and half articles
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Outside of the official magazine bit, I think it's really rad that the TTRPG space is one where community zines of all things are not just still around, but kinda thriving. What other hobbies have independent zines on this level? Is there someone out there selling mimeographed woodworking or stamp collecting zines like hotcakes?
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Lamuella posted:As someone moderately new to GMing, I do feel a bit sad to have missed the age of the Official Magazine. Yeah, I could subscribe to a Pathfinder Adventure Path, but it feels like it would be nice to get a monthly or quarterly mag with a small adventure, a few neat bits and pieces, and some random poo poo. It's not the same, but you can "subscribe" to the old Official Magazines. It's a fun trip down memory lane with a lot of content that you can repurpose with some work. That work will range from "minimal" to "Herculean/Augean" though.
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sweet geek swag posted:People didn't buy the Epic Level Handbook because they were playing lots of high level D&D. They bought it cause it was cool and they aspired to play those levels, but how many campaigns actually got there? The reality is that Wizards could have put out a lot more 5e material, including higher level stuff, and they'd have made a lot more money. But they have been extremely stingy with the content. Higher level adventures have this double-whammy problem. Out of every party, only one person needs to buy an adventure. And out of every party, only a scant few pass the high levels. Those books just aren't going to sell as well as just "Otiluke's Big Book of Player Options" and so that's generally what WOTC focuses on. Also I know Pathfinder makes a shitload of adventures that stray into higher levels, but Paizo was literally built to make the books that WOTC didn't want to. That was one of the core intents of the OGL and all, to offload books that gamers expect but don't actually buy that much of to smaller, hungrier developers.
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I would expect the skew of players has significant differences between DnD and even PF. As the entry/casual product (not trying to be an insult, just the product you'll find with minimal effort), I expect a much larger portion of DnD player groups don't hit high levels as players realize they're not actually into RPGs/they find another RPG they like better/other expectations don't meet reality. PF, even though it's still a big name, probably has a lot more players who know exactly what they're getting into, so campaigns are likely to go longer & higher. It's fairly reasonable that WotC may want to skew their products towards the majority of customers at low level, while other companies can serve a larger portion of their players with higher level content.
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Also almost all high level pathfinder content are explicitly continuations of lower level content. Whereas most WotC high level content is either stand alone or only a very distant sequel. If you're playing high level D&D you are very likely doing so as a result of playing lower level D&D and not just rolling up high level characters out of the blue.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Oh man I loved the Cormyr novels Towards the end of Spellstorm, the second last book Ed Greenwood was allowed to write for the setting, Elminster is shooting the poo poo with the ghost of Alusair in 1489. She asks him to share his insider knowledge and asks if there are any big threats/adventures/conspiracies in Cormyr coming up. El faffs around a bit awkwardly and eventually admits that nothing interesting will happen in Cormyr for a long time, and anything important to happen will exclusively happen in the Sword Coast. lmao
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Terrible Opinions posted:Also almost all high level pathfinder content are explicitly continuations of lower level content. Whereas most WotC high level content is either stand alone or only a very distant sequel. If you're playing high level D&D you are very likely doing so as a result of playing lower level D&D and not just rolling up high level characters out of the blue. They got a continuation of Abomination Vaults coming out later this year, right?
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