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duodenum
Sep 18, 2005

TheMightyBoops posted:

SG sickos: why do SGs always have extra holes drilled in them?

lies

Or because someone put on a bigsby to combat neck dive and didn’t bother to plug the stop bar’s stud holes.

Maybe try hanging some lead truck nuts from the lower strap button.

I have considered fishing weights in the electronics cavity (in a bag so they don’t short anything out) or maybe a helium balloon tied to a tuning peg.

SG chat, how do we combat neck dive? truck nuts

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widefault
Mar 16, 2009

TheMightyBoops posted:

SG sickos: why do SGs always have extra holes drilled in them?

Coil splits, phase switching, serial/parallel switching. Then realizing they never used any of it because it sounds like poo poo, so they tear it all out and leave a bunch of extra holes.

duodenum posted:


SG chat, how do we combat neck dive? truck nuts

Wide leather straps with a rough back, or old 70s straps with sticky vinyl backs that will discolor the guitars finish wherever it touches.

widefault fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Feb 9, 2023

Buschmaki
Dec 26, 2012

‿︵‿︵‿︵‿Lean Addict︵‿︵‿︵‿
I said this in the dumb music thread, but Gibson should simply make a headless SG (lmao fat chance)

zelah
Dec 1, 2004

Diabetes, you are not invited to my pizza party.

luchadornado posted:

The one downside of the resistor "trick" is that now the middle position sees a really low resistance, like sub 200k.

I wonder how American Performer teles do it. https://www.fmicassets.com/Damroot/Original/10001/SM_011512XXXX_Am_Perf_Tele_HS_REV_A.pdf

That shows a 500k volume pot and 250k push pull tone pot.

Would going with 3something pots split the difference?

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

WHITE NOISE
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God imagine the neck dive on an SG with one of those aluminum necks.

edit I think if a 500k and a 250k pot are on the same circuit it splits the difference anyway? Having them different impacts what it'll sound like when it's just one pickup selected, and the resistance will average out if they're both in the circuit. Is that right?

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

I had the ubiquitous oxblood epiphone version for a while. Such a fun, light guitar, but just not my style.

I am a man of... particular needs. If I were to get another it'd need to be something like

widefault
Mar 16, 2009
Man, now I want an ash-bodied, maple neck SG. Has to be small-guard, though.

Major Operation
Jan 1, 2006

landgrabber posted:

it was always definitely a little weird. wouldn't surprise me but i guess i just like... what do i do?

I haven't ever seen this, but I've read about it happening a few times when trying to raise a saddle while the string was at concert pitch.

Nothing I can think of is really a sure thing. I would start by getting the saddle out of the guitar and remove the "good" grub screw, just in case this works. Then, I would squirt some PB B'laster/WD40/3in1 onto the screw/hole, pray to someone/something, wait a few minutes, and try again to work the screw out in either direction with the allen wrench.

After that? If I was frustrated, I might grab some locking pliers (aka vise grips), latch on and see if I can twist the screw out with force. Chances of ruining that screw would go to 100% pretty quickly, though.

I would guess those little grub screws are way too small for any kind of screw extractor.

The final option is probably acquiring a replacement saddle, or full set of saddles, for a "narrow" strat bridge (2 1/16" spacing). An ebay listing might be the only option for an individual saddle that matches the rest on the guitar.

Found this one (don't know the seller): https://www.ebay.com/itm/304798323373?hash=item46f76552ad:g:xtoAAOSwExVj5DzE

I think a full set of saddles that is above Wish.com-tier is at least $30 out the door.

Major Operation
Jan 1, 2006

zelah posted:

I wonder how American Performer teles do it. https://www.fmicassets.com/Damroot/Original/10001/SM_011512XXXX_Am_Perf_Tele_HS_REV_A.pdf

That shows a 500k volume pot and 250k push pull tone pot.

Would going with 3something pots split the difference?

Double posting for potentiometer chat:

A 300K pot definitely does not split the difference, nor would I count on a 330K pot to do it. Tolerance on potentiometers is usually 10% plus or minus, so some 300K pots go out the door measuring closer to 270K.

I can't say for sure, but Fender might build their humbuckers to be brighter than a more standard "PAF" style pickup because they know they need to share pots with single coils. So what Fender does for theirs doesn't necessarily apply to other humbuckers.

You might have another option: have 250k/250k pots, skip adding the additional 470k resistor to ground, but have the tone control 250k pot only inline for the bridge pickup (no tone control for neck humbucker). Quick reference to darkwasthenight a few pages ago:


The lines for "500k/500k" and "250k/no load" basically overlap here. By having the neck position not see the tone pot in the circuit, you would get the sound of 500k/500k according to that graph. Obviously, no tone control on the neck humbucker would be the limitation. This circuit modification is a thing that I've read about people doing for Tele neck pickups.

"People" in this case is Zac Childs: https://www.askzac.com/post/no-tone-on-neck-telecaster-wiring

In the middle position you would still have both 250k pots inline for both pickups, but you would at least have the tele bridge pickup's brightness to average out against any darkness from the neck humbucker.

It might not be feasible if you want to do the push/pull coil split on the neck humbucker.

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

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Honestly I'd go for a hotter tele bridge pickup, a lower-output hum for the neck, and 500k pots all around. Having the hotter bridge pickup will temper the highs a little bit and make it sound less brittle and then the levels will be a bit closer between the two because otherwise that hum is going to be significantly louder than the bridge single.

edit $35 https://www.guitarfetish.com/KP--Alnico-Fatbody-10K-OVERWOUND-Bridge-Pickup-Fits-Telereg--Kwikplug%E2%84%A2-Ready_p_21967.html

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

Major Operation posted:

I haven't ever seen this, but I've read about it happening a few times when trying to raise a saddle while the string was at concert pitch.

Nothing I can think of is really a sure thing. I would start by getting the saddle out of the guitar and remove the "good" grub screw, just in case this works. Then, I would squirt some PB B'laster/WD40/3in1 onto the screw/hole, pray to someone/something, wait a few minutes, and try again to work the screw out in either direction with the allen wrench.

After that? If I was frustrated, I might grab some locking pliers (aka vise grips), latch on and see if I can twist the screw out with force. Chances of ruining that screw would go to 100% pretty quickly, though.

I would guess those little grub screws are way too small for any kind of screw extractor.

The final option is probably acquiring a replacement saddle, or full set of saddles, for a "narrow" strat bridge (2 1/16" spacing). An ebay listing might be the only option for an individual saddle that matches the rest on the guitar.

Found this one (don't know the seller): https://www.ebay.com/itm/304798323373?hash=item46f76552ad:g:xtoAAOSwExVj5DzE

I think a full set of saddles that is above Wish.com-tier is at least $30 out the door.

thanks for your help!

i'm gonna go cry now!

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

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LG I forget, is the string too low or too high?

If it's too low just, like, shove a piece of paper towel under the screw to lift that part of the saddle a teeny tiny bit.

zelah
Dec 1, 2004

Diabetes, you are not invited to my pizza party.
So y’all are telling me I should just buy a HH guitar (PRS S2 single cut? Les Paul? Who can say) and leave the tele alone.

Dang It Bhabhi!
May 27, 2004



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Anyone who finds a PAF too dark in the neck of a Tele needs to meet my friend Filtertron.

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

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Filtertrons are great, but a PAF in the tele neck spot is just such a nice fit. Install it backwards so the screw poles are closer to the bridge, just that tiny bit brighter.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
My tele got a p90 in the neck (hum bucker sized so I could use the same pickguard) it’s a good idea. The paf that came with the asat tribute was really dark and awful tbh

hot date tonight!
Jan 13, 2009


Slippery Tilde

The thing I notice on this graph is that it's only a few dB difference in a pretty small range between each pot. Is there a reason you can't just adjust your EQ pedal by 2 dB? Shouldn't that be exactly the same as changing your pot?

TheMightyBoops
Nov 1, 2016

zelah posted:

So y’all are telling me I should just buy a HH guitar (PRS S2 single cut? Les Paul? Who can say) and leave the tele alone.

Revstar!

TEMPLE GRANDIN OS
Dec 10, 2003

...blyat

Southern Cassowary
Jan 3, 2023

i think about the revstars with racing stripes a lot

darkwasthenight
Jan 7, 2011

GENE TRAITOR

hot date tonight! posted:

The thing I notice on this graph is that it's only a few dB difference in a pretty small range between each pot. Is there a reason you can't just adjust your EQ pedal by 2 dB? Shouldn't that be exactly the same as changing your pot?

I always go for higher than needed because it's easier to cut frequencies you don't want than put them back in, but yes these are fairly small differences we're talking about. The impedance does affect more than the treble content though.

Again, that graph is modelled on a spherical pickup in a vacuum so is only an approximation of the response when fully open and also doesn't take into account pickup inductance or cable resistance (every component in a passive circuit affects the whole).

Dr. Faustus
Feb 18, 2001

Grimey Drawer
Allparts 2-1/16" saddles on Reverb: https://reverb.com/item/37108769-allparts-bp-2333-010-narrow-bridge-saddles

Callaham makes desirable aftermarket saddles: https://www.ebay.com/itm/132888406417

Personally, I prefer these: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PS-8000-00--graph-tech-string-saver-originals-for-strat-and-tele-2-1-16-inch-spacing

Before you shop, get any luthier you can reach on the phone and just ask if they have any 2-1/16 strat saddles lying around. They probably will give them away.

Real Fender 2-16" saddles at Sweetwater... backordered. https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/0075123049--fender-american-standard-2008-stratocaster-bridge-saddles-steel-with-nickel-finish

Dr. Faustus fucked around with this message at 12:18 on Feb 9, 2023

Lungboy
Aug 23, 2002

NEED SQUAT FORM HELP
I ordered the HB SC Custom Plus, won't be here for a few weeks but I'm very excited.

Major Operation
Jan 1, 2006

zelah posted:

So y’all are telling me I should just buy a HH guitar (PRS S2 single cut? Les Paul? Who can say) and leave the tele alone.

The "best" solution for a humbucker and Tele bridge pickup on a single pair of potentiometers is as Baron von Eevl and the pickup makers say: get pickups that are closer together in output and brightness that will match one value for the pots, one way or the other. Otherwise, you face a choice among compromises in the circuitry.

If you're open to getting a different guitar completely, you can get a Tele Custom that has 4 potentiometers instead of 2. Then you can put in whatever humbucker and Tele bridge pickup you want, output/brightness match be damned.
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/TeleV70CMBlk--fender-vintera-70s-telecaster-custom-black-with-maple-fingerboard
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/TeleCV70C3TS--squier-classic-vibe-70s-telecaster-custom-3-tone-sunburst

Or you can get something in a Fender-y design with two humbuckers like a Telecaster Deluxe or one of the HH configuration Jazzmasters. Or you can get one of the G&L ASAT designs.

e: Or a Cabronita style with Filtertron(-esque) pickups https://harleybenton.com/product/te-90flt-sb/

Major Operation fucked around with this message at 14:23 on Feb 9, 2023

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

ok i'm allowing operation Buy Landgrabber A Pack of Saddles, or, BLAPS. which also stands for Ban Landgrabber's Annoying Posts, Sir, which is what people constantly tell the mods.

i start my job on the 14th and it'll probably be at least a couple weeks before my first paycheck and i have bills due so i'd really rather not be stratless for like an entire month. especially since i'm still doing my band once a week and writing/working on songs for it in between practices.

i will post weezer riffs for those who request it. or i'll learn a bunch of blues licks and play those even after complaining about it for years. blah. pm for info!

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

zelah posted:

So y’all are telling me I should just buy a HH guitar (PRS S2 single cut? Les Paul? Who can say) and leave the tele alone.

I'm not because I'm literally building a SH right now and building non-standard things rules, but just be aware of the challenges. Worst case scenario if you hate it, just get a high-wind bridge pickup and run 500k pots like someone else mentioned, or find a humbucker that likes 250k pots (Fralin and Lollar have a bunch).

SD Quarter Pound and Bare Knuckle Stormy Monday is a known pair that sounds great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-SIiXLt0oE

I'm planning on trying the stock MIM Player bridge (10k AV) with a low-wind Legend (6.9k AII) from Wolfetone with 280k-300k pots. If that doesn't work, I'll ask Wolfe to make a high-wind Bitch for the bridge. Part of what makes this all difficult is that resistance is usually the only measurement that you get but it's the magnet type and the number of winds that determine output, and you very rarely get output numbers that you can match.

Southern Heel
Jul 2, 2004

Quick Q or anyone who has a Katana Mk II: Can I set up the Mod pedal to be an Octave, and the FX pedal to be a Pitch Shifter set to +5 to get me a plus Octave and plus Octave Fifth? (or some other combination of +5 and +Oct using those two pedals) I'm thinking that if I get an ABY then I could run my bass into the Katana and have Royal-Blood style fake guitar sounds, as well as using it as a guitar amp. I'm specifically not looking at the Harmonist because I don't want any unexpected flattened or raised 5ths in my retarded sludge jams.

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

landgrabber posted:

ok i'm allowing operation Buy Landgrabber A Pack of Saddles, or, BLAPS. which also stands for Ban Landgrabber's Annoying Posts, Sir, which is what people constantly tell the mods.

i start my job on the 14th and it'll probably be at least a couple weeks before my first paycheck and i have bills due so i'd really rather not be stratless for like an entire month. especially since i'm still doing my band once a week and writing/working on songs for it in between practices.

i will post weezer riffs for those who request it. or i'll learn a bunch of blues licks and play those even after complaining about it for years. blah. pm for info!

If you're swapping them out you may as well upgrade them at the same time. Those bent steel saddles are not cozy on the hand. I'd recommend one of these (or a similar style):
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0942S6KKP/
https://www.amazon.com/Dopro-Guitar-Saddles-Stratocaster-Telecaster/dp/B093SPPS5S/

I actually have those brass ones on my MIM tele and I think they're pretty keen.

Anywho, assuming you don't have any sort of vendetta against amazon I'd be happy to kick you some giftcard cash so you can get your strat righted.

Good Soldier Svejk fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Feb 9, 2023

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

Helianthus Annuus posted:

oh word -- i'll be curious to hear how the factory setup is when you get it. i got an indonesian made B stock guitar from that site, and it had a barely-playable factory setup, especially the nut slots (paid my local guy to have it fixed, its good now). i imagine the american made one will get a little more attention from the luthier before it goes out the door.

Just remembered this! So I finally got around to adjusting the neck today (my intonation was all kinds of hosed since it got here and settled-in) and I guess the temperature is wildly different between California and Virginia this time of year, not surprising.

I had to max out the truss rod to get it level but once I did I checked all the other measurements and everything is perfectly set to factory specs. I don't think I'll gently caress with it, even though the action is on the higher side from a measurement perspective (5/64" on the low and 4/64" on the high E)

I could probably bring it down but it's comfy where it is and I play with a heavy hand anyhow.

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

If you're swapping them out you may as well upgrade them at the same time. Those bent steel saddles are not cozy on the hand. I'd recommend one of these (or a similar style):
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0942S6KKP/
https://www.amazon.com/Dopro-Guitar-Saddles-Stratocaster-Telecaster/dp/B093SPPS5S/

I actually have those brass ones on my MIM tele and I think they're pretty keen.

Anywho, assuming you don't have any sort of vendetta against amazon I'd be happy to kick you some giftcard cash so you can get your strat righted.

amazon's fine!

and yeah i was thinking some saddles with like the roller thing or hopefully that just sit nicer than the bent steel... i palm mute a good chunk for dynamics which is why i'm real bummed about my telecaster (three saddle bridge with the ashtray makes it kinda awful)

Buschmaki
Dec 26, 2012

‿︵‿︵‿︵‿Lean Addict︵‿︵‿︵‿
One of my saddle screws on my D string is also spinning fruitlessly, but there's no rattle and the action is fine so I simply pretend that it is not doing that ☺️

Blotto_Otter
Aug 16, 2013


luchadornado posted:

I'm not because I'm literally building a SH right now and building non-standard things rules, but just be aware of the challenges. Worst case scenario if you hate it, just get a high-wind bridge pickup and run 500k pots like someone else mentioned, or find a humbucker that likes 250k pots (Fralin and Lollar have a bunch).

I'll chime in with my recent non-standard build: I just paired a DiMarzio Chopper T bridge pickup with a Guitarfetish Mean 90 neck pickup, so I guess I wound up with an (offset) Tele that has a humbucker in a single-coil bridge route, and a single-coil in a humbucker bridge route. Despite being a humbucker, I think the Chopper T is designed for 250k pots, so that's what I went with as that was the pickup I was building everything around. To keep the budget down, I went to Guitarfetish for the neck pickup and the electronics... and the electronics were complete dogshit (horrible taper on the pots, basically on-or-off, and the switch was loose and floppy and came with the wrong screws), but the pickup is solid.

Long story short, I wound up chucking the Guitarfetish electronics, and got a (Fender-branded) 250k volume pot and a 250k no-load tone pot to hedge my bets on the neck pickup. The Chopper T and Mean 90 are pretty well matched in volume, and I love the tone from the Chopper T and like-but-don't-love it from the Mean 90 - but I usually keep the tone pot turned up to the no-load setting when using the Mean 90. That one was probably meant for 500k pots. I'm tempted by the idea of the Fralin Big Single as a neck pickup here, but that's not in the budget right now, maybe down the road.

Anyway, my contributions are: avoid Guitarfetish pots/switches, and maybe consider a no-load tone pot if going 250k, so you've got the option of a tad more brightness if you need it?

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

i'm interested in the graph tech ones that are chrome/silver so they match.

one thing i noticed on the bent steel ones is that there were string indents in them, since there's nowhere for the strings to really slot into-- and since i mute a lot with my right hand i kind of just imagined all that friction and was like "oh"

drhankmccoyphd
Jul 22, 2022

darkwasthenight posted:

Without a way to adjust gain levels into the compressor it's a bit of a crapshoot so I'd try it in front, yes. Sustain to taste while trying to avoid obvious 'pumpin', slow attack, Level to match or boost your dry signal.

There should be zero reason the Rocker can't do a good lead tone but I'll admit I find Orange a bit finicky (also they are probably our main rival brand at moment so boo hiss).


Trip report. This actually worked in the sense that yes, the compressor doesn't make the signal hollow and echoey, but it also made me realize the effect is sort of minimal and I don't really need the compressor when I have reverb and chorus. I'll probably return the JOYO comp and maybe keep an eye out for an MXR comp. So thanks!

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

we're good folks! ordered.

a very sincere thank you to people in this thread for helping me get my first guitar back in 2018, and helping me get strings and now nice saddles for my second. and to faust for all the free wiring work/cleaning he did. i really don't deserve it :)

luchadornado
Oct 7, 2004

A boombox is not a toy!

I changed plans this morning.. Wolfe is making me a low-wind Legend humbucker (7k) and I'll pair that with a high-wind Bitch (11k turns, 9k ohms) for the bridge. I'll use 500k pots for both. $83 for a custom single coil bridge is a good deal and I like supporting people like Wolfe. All I have left to buy are the tuners and copper foil and this project is purchased, can't wait to start building it and sharing progress pics.

Southern Cassowary
Jan 3, 2023

luchadornado posted:

I changed plans this morning.. Wolfe is making me a low-wind Legend humbucker (7k) and I'll pair that with a high-wind Bitch (11k turns, 9k ohms) for the bridge. I'll use 500k pots for both. $83 for a custom single coil bridge is a good deal and I like supporting people like Wolfe. All I have left to buy are the tuners and copper foil and this project is purchased, can't wait to start building it and sharing progress pics.

I got a set of Marshallheads to put in a PRS S2 and they were great, and the Timberwolf that came with an Edwards LP I had was incredible.

muike
Mar 16, 2011

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landgrabber posted:

i'm interested in the graph tech ones that are chrome/silver so they match.

one thing i noticed on the bent steel ones is that there were string indents in them, since there's nowhere for the strings to really slot into-- and since i mute a lot with my right hand i kind of just imagined all that friction and was like "oh"

the graphtech ones are really good but imo only worth it if you go for the full graphtech material

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

just got an e-mail about "new lefty fender models"



oh fender, you shouldn't have

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Huxley
Oct 10, 2012



Grimey Drawer

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

just got an e-mail about "new lefty fender models"



oh fender, you shouldn't have

https://blog.codinghorror.com/a-tribute-to-the-windows-31-hot-dog-stand-color-scheme/

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