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Agreed on this being the Red Diamond Empire. My question is, how are Mystique and Destiny going to live to the end of it? If Sinister controls the resurrections, have they surrendered their immortality for this timeline? It's not like they can trust Orbis any more than Sinister. And won't Irene just die first anyway and push Raven into madness again?
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I don't think the plan is to live to the end of it, and that's why it's best to get back to Krakoa as it was. If Destiny just wanted to live with Mystique, well they're already doing that. But in the past, Destiny's goal has been the survival of mutantkind. We haven't seen Destiny's new diaries yet, and I think that when she does die, it's going to be those that have Mystique continue on. Whenever they do reset the universe, it's going to have to have a recording of Sinister telling himself it's a bad idea so he can stop the corrupted resurrection of Hope and the others.
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Destiny is going to be the Clarence to Sinister's George Bailey.
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Cartridgeblowers posted:Destiny is going to be the Clarence to Sinister's George Bailey. There's never been a written sentence that speaks to me more than this one.
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destiny and mystique are out in space, now. i'm sure they could find a method for longevity if they wanted to. there's probably a lot of opportunities out there for a shapeshifter that is explicitly not a skrull.
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Feb 10, 2023 05:07
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I don't know if we need to speculate when her tentative ally is a clone from the 1800s in a big life support orb. Just give Destiny her own orb.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:destiny and mystique are out in space, now. i'm sure they could find a method for longevity if they wanted to. there's probably a lot of opportunities out there for a shapeshifter that is explicitly not a skrull. Somehow still less trustworthy than a skrull.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:destiny and mystique are out in space, now. i'm sure they could find a method for longevity if they wanted to. there's probably a lot of opportunities out there for a shapeshifter that is explicitly not a skrull. Given their history, Mystique is probably functionally immortal due to shape-shifting (?) and Destiny must be at least abnormally long-lived, given that she was canonically Irene Adler. Marvel Time is a hell of a drug, but she can't realistically have been born after like 1865, and she dies in 1989. And now she's like 25-30 again, which gets her into the Year 100 section of Sins of Sinister even if she just sits around and drinks tea for the next century.
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Feb 13, 2023 19:04
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Rochallor posted:Given their history, Mystique is probably functionally immortal due to shape-shifting (?) and Destiny must be at least abnormally long-lived, given that she was canonically Irene Adler. Marvel Time is a hell of a drug, but she can't realistically have been born after like 1865, and she dies in 1989. And now she's like 25-30 again, which gets her into the Year 100 section of Sins of Sinister even if she just sits around and drinks tea for the next century. I have no explanation for Destiny. If they wanted to be clever maybe she, Mystique and Magneto all ran into some fountain of youth which did the Doc Brown "adding 20, 30 years to my life" thing without making them immortal.
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Feb 13, 2023 19:50
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The Destiny that's in space is the resurrected one who was brought back younger than when she died the first time around. It is unclear how she lived to be well over 100 in her first body, however.
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Kitty Pryde had a 14th birthday party on page in the 80s and actually literally 40 years later, she isn't half the age she should be. In fact, if you go by the "Marvel time goes 4 times slower" explanation, Destiny could be 30 in 1880 and only 55 in 1980. 
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Feb 13, 2023 20:53
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Endless Mike posted:The Destiny that's in space is the resurrected one who was brought back younger than when she died the first time around. Eventually you just run out of railroad though.
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Abroham Lincoln posted:Kitty Pryde had a 14th birthday party on page in the 80s and actually literally 40 years later, she isn't half the age she should be. That's not how Marvel time works.
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Endless Mike posted:That's not how Marvel time works. Yeah, because it doesn't work at all, don't worry about it
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Feb 13, 2023 20:59
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The entire universe was recreated like 4 years ago anyway.
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Yeah I just file stuff like this as "well that's how Frankilin remembered it" and move on now.
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Rick posted:Yeah I just file stuff like this as "well that's how Frankilin remembered it" and move on now. Should have made Wanda and Pietro Mutants and Magneto's kids again then.
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Did they ever follow up on Chuck and Eric basically loving Franklin over like a week after he went to Krakoa and giving Reed a quick mind wipe right to his face?
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Caidin posted:Did they ever follow up on Chuck and Eric basically loving Franklin over like a week after he went to Krakoa and giving Reed a quick mind wipe right to his face? A little bit. I forget the details, but I think Tony was being snarky to Emma at the last Hellfire Gala about mind wipes, but she didn't know what he was talking about. But the Franklin stuff got derailed when Slott took his powers away and said he wasn't a mutant or whatever. Hopefully they can get that back on track now that Slott put all the toys back at the end of his run and it looks like Franklin is back to having powers.
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Y'know, there was a beat with Dr. Nemesis that made it sound like everyone is has the mutant gene and it's more a matter of whether or not it's on/off VS whether it's present/missing, and I think that'd be a pretty good twist, considering it further underscores the stupidity of bigotry
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OnimaruXLR posted:Y'know, there was a beat with Dr. Nemesis that made it sound like everyone is has the mutant gene and it's more a matter of whether or not it's on/off VS whether it's present/missing, and I think that'd be a pretty good twist, considering it further underscores the stupidity of bigotry They kind of did this with the Deviants, which was the loophole Druig used to force the war between Eternals and Mutants in AXE. Because Mutants technically have a high amount of Deviant genetics, but so does a majority of all life on Earth.
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glitchwraith posted:They kind of did this with the Deviants, which was the loophole Druig used to force the war between Eternals and Mutants in AXE. Because Mutants technically have a high amount of Deviant genetics, but so does a majority of all life on Earth. Random humans will get superpowers from getting exposed to toxic waste or radiation. With mutants, it just happens more reliably because of their active x-gene.
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wiegieman posted:Random humans will get superpowers from getting exposed to toxic waste or radiation. With mutants, it just happens more reliably because of their active x-gene. To be fair, that's also a result of a Celestial getting a space plague and vomiting onto Earth, according to Aaron's Avengers. Not exactly sure how that intersects with Deviants and the x-gene.
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Feb 14, 2023 22:12
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Are there like, Shiar mutants? Like the Sighted Being?
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Nessus posted:Are there like, Shiar mutants? Like the Sighted Being? Half-Shi'ar at least.
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Nessus posted:Are there like, Shiar mutants? Like the Sighted Being? Deathbird could be considered a mutant, for all that she's usually called something like an "evolutionary throwback" or whatever
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I assumed the imperial guard guys were basically mutants from Shiar ruled planets. Sort of like the Ginyu force.
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Nessus posted:I assumed the imperial guard guys were basically mutants from Shiar ruled planets. Sort of like the Ginyu force. I was always under the impression that most of the Imperial Guard are pretty representative of their species, other than the ones who are clearly technologically enhanced/empowered like Cannonball's wife, Izzy.
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There's plenty of non-human mutants in the sense of not being a typical member of their species, like Warlock and Broo, but I'd imagine that X-genes don't come into it. Speaking of Broo, did anything come of that story in New Mutants where it was implied he sicced a bunch of Brood on the trainees and was like, "Uh, yeah, they were rebels, I didn't have any control over them."? I've been enjoying how long Krakoa lets plots get played out, but that doesn't seem like a slow burn as much as a dropped plot thread.
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Rochallor posted:There's plenty of non-human mutants in the sense of not being a typical member of their species, like Warlock and Broo, but I'd imagine that X-genes don't come into it. This weeks issue of X-Men is following up on the Brood plot, and crossing over with Captain Marvel as part of it.
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X-Men is having a Brood centric crossover with Captain Marvel starting tomorrow, so maybe we’ll see about that.
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Oh lol great timing then.
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Nessus posted:Are there like, Shiar mutants? Like the Sighted Being? There's this very slight plot thread in Marvel that somebody picks up on every once in a while, where most of the races in the galaxy are genetically bottlenecked for some reason. It was a big part of the old "Operation Galactic Storm" crossover, for example, that the Supreme Intelligence had engineered a big part of the conflict in order to force-restart the Kree's evolution. Off the top of my head, the Skrulls have mutants, like Xavier's old "Cadre K" team, and the Kree have a ton of weird experiments and crossbreeds like post-retcon Carol Danvers, but not too many other aliens do.
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Xandra's got the x-gene for sure but that's the only Shi'ar I can think of with that specifically. Has Longshot ever been retconned into having an x-gene? Or rather, since he's been retconned into a clone of Shatterstar, and thus possesses the x-gene through implication, has Longshot ever been established in cannon as having the x-gene?
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rantmo posted:I was always under the impression that most of the Imperial Guard are pretty representative of their species, other than the ones who are clearly technologically enhanced/empowered like Cannonball's wife, Izzy. well the Imperial Guard is the Legion of Super-Heroes with the serial numbers filed off, so I would assume they work on the same criteria - they'll accept members who are representative of their species (like Cosmic Boy, who has no powers other people from his planet don't have), or exceptional members (like Saturn Girl, who's one of the strongest telepaths from her world even if they're all telepathic to one degree or another), or extraordinary members (like Lightning Lad, who got electrical powers from weird lightning cattle or some poo poo).
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that's not what the imperial guard is at all, though. they were created to be similar to the legion, yeah. but later appearances changed their nature. they are a group of superhumans that can, with a few exceptions, be replaced by successors with identical powers. there are clones, members of the same species, robots, etc. mostly, it's so they can kill off members of the imperial guard whenever and then have them return to normal, no questions asked on their next appearance.
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Any variation of the x-gene being a human-specific genetic mutation can gently caress right off. Skrull mutants? gently caress off. 1,000,000 year old Shi'ar mutants? gently caress off. Mutant brood? Love you, dude, but gently caress off. If it's anything defining a mutant beyond the concept displayed in the "It's 1987..." house ad can gently caress off.
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rantmo posted:Xandra's got the x-gene for sure but that's the only Shi'ar I can think of with that specifically. Has Longshot ever been retconned into having an x-gene? Or rather, since he's been retconned into a clone of Shatterstar, and thus possesses the x-gene through implication, has Longshot ever been established in cannon as having the x-gene? Wow, I can't even remember seeing Longshot for ages. That said I think at last blush he was technically a mutant Mojoversian ?
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I mean, they're still mutants in the way that somebody who has a sixth finger is a mutant, but their having a sixth finger isn't the result of having an x-gene.
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rantmo posted:Xandra's got the x-gene for sure but that's the only Shi'ar I can think of with that specifically. Has Longshot ever been retconned into having an x-gene? Or rather, since he's been retconned into a clone of Shatterstar, and thus possesses the x-gene through implication, has Longshot ever been established in cannon as having the x-gene? isn't Longshot simultaneously a clone of Shatterstar and also Shatterstar's father
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