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Not like the Chozo themselves were any better either. To be perfectly fair, aside from others trying to use them as weapons, Metroids more or less did their jobs until Samus nuked them out of existence. Unlucky7 fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Feb 11, 2023 |
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Unlucky7 posted:Not like the Chozo themselves were any better either. Which was another example of the Chozo "Make a deadlier hunter!" methodology working out perfectly. Really, Raven Beak was right. The Chozo's problem was stopping making deadly bioweapons. As long as they were in the cycle, they were doing pretty well.
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That's the best part, in the winter, the hunter simply freezes to death.
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Feb 11, 2023 02:18
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I mean I think the X are much more deadly that Metroids. Like the X can infect anything and are apparently invincible except against one very particular thing
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Feb 11, 2023 02:25
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It's less the cure being worse than the disease and more like when a breed of hunting dog attacks a baby.
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Feb 11, 2023 02:29
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chiasaur11 posted:Which was another example of the Chozo "Make a deadlier hunter!" methodology working out perfectly. They never really stopped making incredibly lethal living weapons. They just peaked with Samus
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Feb 11, 2023 02:33
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Unlucky7 posted:To be perfectly fair, aside from others trying to use them as weapons, Metroids more or less did their jobs until Samus nuked them out of existence. Plus, when the Metroids started evolving, most of the Chozo were like "okay let's nip this in the bud now and blow up this planet before this spirals out of control" But one of those remaining Chozo was Raven Beak
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Metroids are very dangerous but the X are "if a single parasite gets loose the entire planet and anything that gets near it is hosed" levels of bad.
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Feb 11, 2023 02:34
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Samus has the last braincell in the universe
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Asterite34 posted:They just beaked with Samus You were this close to a solid  and missed it.
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Electric Phantasm posted:Samus has the last braincell in the universe The galaxy is at peace.
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Feb 11, 2023 03:36
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LividLiquid posted:If they do re-release Prime 2, I think I might give it a second chance and finally beat it this time. The boss fights are largely inventive and fun, sanctuary fortress is probably the coolest environment in a Metroid game (with the coolest enemies) and it’s more difficult than the first one without necessarily being unfair. It is definitely uglier in general which is a drag. I think it would have been just as good of an aesthetic choice to have the normal aether sections be beautiful paradises that are totally empty and spooky, and then have the dark versions be what we got. Instead we got a horrible swamp and a miserable wasteland on what’s supposed to be the nice side. Oh well!
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Electric Phantasm posted:Samus has the last braincell in the universe Nah, the Feddies in Prime are mostly... reasonably competent. They've got all kinds of safety measures for when they use the liquified pure evil, and the safety measures actually work most of the time, when they have to do part of a mission they pull it off well enough, and the Marines Samus was sent to rescue managed to hold out quite a while before dying (admittedly, to low level enemies). The Luminoth also seemed to be reasonably... bright. At least, they're a precursor race that managed to not get themselves wiped out by ancient evil or their own hubris, so they're beating the spread.
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At least one of the “nerfs” that Prime 2’s bosses got were actually glitch fixes. Part of the reason the Boost Guardian was insanely hard in the original release was the boost could glitch out and cause infinite damage. I know Spider Guardian is the other one people complain about but I can’t recall if there was some glitch or if they just made it do less damage to you. Pretty much every boss in the Metroid Prime series is well-designed. I can’t think of any that I loving hated. But if I did they were probably in 2 lol gently caress Chykka’s adult form, it’s annoying but it’s still a pretty great fight! I just googled it and some guy on Reditt claims that they made that fight easier in Trilogy, too.
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Dread has the best bosses in the series IMO, even though they take a lot of tries the first time around while you learn their patterns. I’m mostly digging the Prime bosses so far but I’m actually surprised how few there have been at this point. And they all have a real Zelda vibe to them where you have to reveal a weak point through a very simple “puzzle” then attack it. It’s too bad evading is so clunky in Prime because so far I end up kind of slowly getting out of the way or just tanking lots of hits while I attack. I really love the fast paced dance of the Dread fights and hope they figure out a way to do it in 3D for MP4.
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MokBa posted:Dread has the best bosses in the series IMO, even though they take a lot of tries the first time around while you learn their patterns. I’m mostly digging the Prime bosses so far but I’m actually surprised how few there have been at this point. And they all have a real Zelda vibe to them where you have to reveal a weak point through a very simple “puzzle” then attack it. It’s too bad evading is so clunky in Prime because so far I end up kind of slowly getting out of the way or just tanking lots of hits while I attack. I really love the fast paced dance of the Dread fights and hope they figure out a way to do it in 3D for MP4. Might I recommend Metroid: Other M?
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Electric Phantasm posted:Might I recommend Metroid: Other M? No. Nobody should do that.
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One of the things I liked about Dread's bosses is that the intro or phase cutscenes show off the weak point of the boss in surprisingly subtle ways, or at least as subtle as you can be when you are trying to signal to the player "Shoot this, stupid" EDIT: I am still slightly confused about one thing in Metroid 2: Other than the Metroids mutating and the danger of Space Pirates dipping into that well again, what was the point of exterminating them? That is like traveling to Africa to personally kill every remaining Lion because someone got one as a pet and had the thing kill someone else. Seems a bit short sighted, which may have been the point on one hand, but on the other that is on retrospec after the events of Metroid Fusion, where it literally comes back to bite Samus in the rear end. Unlucky7 fucked around with this message at 07:05 on Feb 11, 2023 |
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A bit I loved at the end of Dread was when Raven Beak, after putting up a ridiculously tough fight against Samus unlike any other opponent in the series, lasts less than 5 seconds out in the open before being killed by an X parasite.
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MokBa posted:Dread has the best bosses in the series IMO, even though they take a lot of tries the first time around while you learn their patterns. I’m mostly digging the Prime bosses so far but I’m actually surprised how few there have been at this point. And they all have a real Zelda vibe to them where you have to reveal a weak point through a very simple “puzzle” then attack it. It’s too bad evading is so clunky in Prime because so far I end up kind of slowly getting out of the way or just tanking lots of hits while I attack. I really love the fast paced dance of the Dread fights and hope they figure out a way to do it in 3D for MP4. It's been a little bit since I played Prime, but the double-jump converts to a double-dash when on the ground that lets you dodge pretty well, if I remember right. It's not flashy, but it can get you out of the way of pretty much every attack if you time it right.
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Unlucky7 posted:EDIT: I am still slightly confused about one thing in Metroid 2: Other than the Metroids mutating and the danger of Space Pirates dipping into that well again, what was the point of exterminating them? That is like traveling to Africa to personally kill every remaining Lion because someone got one as a pet and had the thing kill someone else. Seems a bit short sighted, which may have been the point on one hand, but on the other that is on retrospec after the events of Metroid Fusion, where it literally comes back to bite Samus in the rear end. This made me look up the Metroid 2 manual to see how it's all explained. Basically, the Galactic Federation had researchers on SR388 pick up some stasised metroids which were then stolen by the Space Pirates leading into Metroid 1. Then they went back again with more folks to make sure there weren't any metroids left after the whole Zebes affair. But then those guys never came back so they sent some rescue folks Then those guys never came back so they sent some combat folks. And... you get the picture. News spread and folks started panicking, so finally they sent Samus in. tl;dr: the Federation hosed up a lot and decided the only solution was metroid murder
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ExcessBLarg! posted:Metroid II is my favorite Game Boy game. I've probably replayed it a few dozen times over the years. i just wrapped up the game earlier and you were right, it's really something how atmospheric you can get with four colours and a tiny little screen. i was down to 4 energy after taking out the last of the really big nasty metroids and ended up limping all the way to the final zone, paranoid that i'd hosed myself. the final chozo statue being a shattered pile of rubble holding the ice beam was some top tier mood setting, let me tell you but i did it! and now the last metroid is in captivity. the galaxy is at peace. 
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Electric Phantasm posted:Might I recommend Metroid: Other M? To be fair to Other M (ugh) it did have pretty decent bosses. Too bad the controls were uhhhhh that. And also too bad about every single other thing in that game.
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:At least one of the “nerfs” that Prime 2’s bosses got were actually glitch fixes. Part of the reason the Boost Guardian was insanely hard in the original release was the boost could glitch out and cause infinite damage. I know Spider Guardian is the other one people complain about but I can’t recall if there was some glitch or if they just made it do less damage to you. Spider Guardian is just hard because of morph ball mechanics (and I hate it more than Boost Guardian) Spring Ball made is waaaaay easier. Boost Guardian was so hard at first even the devs couldnt beat it consistently tho.
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Unlucky7 posted:One of the things I liked about Dread's bosses is that the intro or phase cutscenes show off the weak point of the boss in surprisingly subtle ways, or at least as subtle as you can be when you are trying to signal to the player "Shoot this, stupid" I like how this also applies to Raven Beak, the cutscene at the start of the game where he showed up and whooped Samus' rear end also shows how to actually knock off his lightning armor for when you finally fight him.
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Just Andi Now posted:tl;dr: the Federation hosed up a lot and decided the only solution was cut Samus a check ftfy. 
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ChaseSP posted:SA-X was way cooler than Dark Samus in 3 which is way more lame than how Dark Samus is portrayed in 2 as this massive force interested purely in two things. Getting More Phazon and trying to kill you whenever you ran across each other. Yeah Dark Samus sucks and when she gets to the pirate homeworld and tears through all the space pirates it's awesome, there is nothing wrong with Dark Samus. Dark Samus the best and our saviour. Hail Dark Samus.
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Yeah Dark Samus is basically what if Samus had a plan instead of just loving things up when they run in front of her
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The Ing had a pretty cool design tbh, I wouldn't mind seeing them again
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MokBa posted:Dread has the best bosses in the series IMO, even though they take a lot of tries the first time around while you learn their patterns. I’m mostly digging the Prime bosses so far but I’m actually surprised how few there have been at this point. And they all have a real Zelda vibe to them where you have to reveal a weak point through a very simple “puzzle” then attack it. It’s too bad evading is so clunky in Prime because so far I end up kind of slowly getting out of the way or just tanking lots of hits while I attack. I really love the fast paced dance of the Dread fights and hope they figure out a way to do it in 3D for MP4. Evading isn’t clunky at all? You can do a quick dash by quickly tapping B twice while locked on and strafing iirc. Helps avoid basically everything. You should never be tanking lots of hits in MP. Edit: Boost Guardian was only hard because of the infinite damage glitch. I recall when I did my Let’s Play of the trilogy I nailed Boost Guardian on my seventh try Blackbelt Bobman fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Feb 11, 2023 |
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RBA Starblade posted:The Ing had a pretty cool design tbh, I wouldn't mind seeing them again I always liked the cosmic irony of the Moth People getting saved by the Bird Lady
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:Evading isn’t clunky at all? You can do a quick dash by quickly tapping B twice while locked on and strafing iirc. Helps avoid basically everything. You should never be tanking lots of hits in MP. It makes Samus feel extremely clunky whenever she can't lock on, Thardus is the worst fight for this
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No Dignity posted:It makes Samus feel extremely clunky whenever she can't lock on, Thardus is the worst fight for this But you can always stayed locked onto Thardus, except for when he's rolling around but you're meant to be in morph ball at that point.
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No Dignity posted:It makes Samus feel extremely clunky whenever she can't lock on, Thardus is the worst fight for this I thought Thardus’s whole thing was using the whatever visor so you can keep locking onto it? Anyway I think you can use boost ball to get away quickly if need be.
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:Evading isn’t clunky at all? You can do a quick dash by quickly tapping B twice while locked on and strafing iirc. Helps avoid basically everything. You should never be tanking lots of hits in MP. I was definitely exaggerating a bit about it. The dodge works fine but there's been 20 years of game design since then so to my dumb modern sensibilities it feels clunky. I'm about halfway through the game and have not come even close to dying. I still take more hits than I would in Dread just because I can't see much around me or I jump instead of straff and all the other things that come with an older FPS.
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TaurusOxford posted:But you can always stayed locked onto Thardus, except for when he's rolling around but you're meant to be in morph ball at that point. The morph ball kind of sucks for that fight too though as the camera won't always show you where he is before it's too late. Maybe it's just an annoying fight in general, it's only fight in the game I usually die on at least once Blackbelt Bobman posted:I thought Thardus’s whole thing was using the whatever visor so you can keep locking onto it? Anyway I think you can use boost ball to get away quickly if need be. Maybe it was user error but I thought he had phases where you can't lock on with any visor?
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:I thought Thardus’s whole thing was using the whatever visor so you can keep locking onto it? Anyway I think you can use boost ball to get away quickly if need be. Yeah, you use the Thermal Visor to stay locked onto his weakspot, and switch to combat when the thermal gets overloaded (but by then should have done enough damage to expose the Phazon Rock anyways)
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No Dignity posted:The morph ball kind of sucks for that fight too though as the camera won't always show you where he is before it's too late. Maybe it's just an annoying fight in general, it's only fight in the game I usually die on at least once Just keep boost balling around the edge of the arena and he'll almost never hit you. Orange Crush Rush posted:Yeah, you use the Thermal Visor to stay locked onto his weakspot, and switch to combat when the thermal gets overloaded (but by then should have done enough damage to expose the Phazon Rock anyways) The thermal visor doesn't get overloaded UNTIL you expose the phazon.
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Also I'm happy Trilogy/Remasterd MP1 still lets you rapid fire missiles by spamming fire and missile. It's amazing when you get a bunch of missiles.
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DeafNote posted:Boost Guardian was so hard at first even the devs couldnt beat it consistently tho.
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