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Tsietisin
Jul 2, 2004

Time passes quickly on the weekend.

At best you can get $15 a month from the points. But that's enough to get game pass each month so I'm happy with that.

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PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010

Kerbtree posted:

If you want a good example of “disrupting” something that’s just a company shouldering it’s way into a cash flow without adding anything, you want what3words: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PPRh9ZunmI It’s 99.9% pointless, given that gps coordinates exist and unlike the words they use for location tagging, numbers can’t be be easily mangled into sounding the same by accents


never heard of What3Words before this.

Also reminds me of a recent radiolab episode about a similar fight in public weather services and private weather services.

Ups_rail
Dec 8, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

Neito posted:

IIRC that was Bing, which still has a points thing that's botted, but the point value sucks poo poo.

Well yeah all the zune buds are gone

notwithoutmyanus
Mar 17, 2009
Ah look, another crypto problem. Turns out that Luna Classic is centralized. I'm sure this is a shocker to approximately nobody.

TLDR: one business can almost entirely control another blockchain because butts.

drk
Jan 16, 2005
i am utterly shocked that a coin that is -99.9999% from its highs has some problems

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


Is there anything in the crypto space that's legitimately decentralized?

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

ultrafilter posted:

Is there anything in the crypto space that's legitimately decentralized?

Yeah the bag once you're holding it

Zil
Jun 4, 2011

Satanically Summoned Citrus


LifeSunDeath posted:

Yeah the bag once you're holding it

Is it at least a nice bag?

Zopotantor
Feb 24, 2013

...und ist er drin dann lassen wir ihn niemals wieder raus...

drk posted:

i am utterly shocked that a coin that is -99.9999% from its highs has some problems



Once it scrolls off the left side the diagram will rescale and it won't look so bad.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

Zil posted:

Is it at least a nice bag?

it's like a grocery bag at the bottom of your trashcan that's all wet and full of holes.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Zil posted:

Is it at least a nice bag?

It can’t even contain itself

BrewingTea
Jun 2, 2004

Zil posted:

Is it at least a nice bag?

It's THE GREATEST bag you've ever seen! Here! Take it and see for yourself!

notwithoutmyanus
Mar 17, 2009
Crypto people today: how bad is this staking banning thing? Me: well if people tried to follow laws it wouldn't be.

Them: Do you think SCOTUS should revisit Howey?

:aaaaa:

Ups_rail
Dec 8, 2006

by Fluffdaddy
Okay someone explain the staking thing.

I remember someone years ago talking about one of the problems with bitcoin was you have an arms race and network capture like with mining pools.

so you move from a proof of work to a proof of stake meaning people with large amounts of tokens have more authority validate the block chain.

but stacking creates a problem regs

Zil
Jun 4, 2011

Satanically Summoned Citrus


Elon trying to pump doge again

https://twitter.com/MattBinder/status/1624957519360671746

notwithoutmyanus
Mar 17, 2009

Ups_rail posted:

Okay someone explain the staking thing.

I remember someone years ago talking about one of the problems with bitcoin was you have an arms race and network capture like with mining pools.

so you move from a proof of work to a proof of stake meaning people with large amounts of tokens have more authority validate the block chain.

but stacking creates a problem regs

staking is you lock up a token for whatever timeframe it's set up for and you get more of em for doing so, indefinitely. You put in something and expect more.In other words it's security.

It's very much like dividends in stocks (a Security)!except it is an explicit ponzi with tons of issues. Ethereum lets people do it for "security" and then there are separate "staking" services where you "stake" Bitcoin (butts) on an exchange and get interest on them in the token, like a quasi-bank scenario.

Guess how many crypto exchanges are following bank regulations? Not many, possibly not any. Divabot could probably speak more to the veracity of research on the topic.

Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish
I'm not entirely sure, but I think staking is when you put a bunch of your coins in a pile, then you get a corresponding number of different coins, and those are now backed by the pile of coins.
It's different from proof of stake, where they just replace the mining giving the person who guessed the correct number a bunch of coins with giving everyone a percentage of the coins, proportional to the amount that you hold.

Ups_rail
Dec 8, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

Boxturret posted:

I'm not entirely sure, but I think staking is when you put a bunch of your coins in a pile, then you get a corresponding number of different coins, and those are now backed by the pile of coins.
It's different from proof of stake, where they just replace the mining giving the person who guessed the correct number a bunch of coins with giving everyone a percentage of the coins, proportional to the amount that you hold.

huh i thought it was the same thing.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

Basically with mining the people with the most money could buy the most powerful mining rigs, waste the most energy and get the most crypto in return.

With staking they just cut out the middle part and simplified it so the people with the most "money" (crypto) gets the most crypto in return.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

IIRC staking, etc., requires a centralized authority which is ironic considering the whole reason people want to use crypto is to decentralize and not allow monolithic authorities to be required.

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!

Is this a dogecoin t-shirt or just a doge t-shirt.

Blotto_Otter
Aug 16, 2013


Boxturret posted:

proof of stake, where they just replace the mining giving the person who guessed the correct number a bunch of coins with giving everyone a percentage of the coins, proportional to the amount that you hold.

it rules that, in a crypto ecosystem where almost everything except proof-of-work cryptocurrencies are obviously unregistered securities offerings if you scratch the surface for a minute, the ethereum folks looked around, noticed the SEC doing more saber-rattling about "unregistered securities", and said "ok how can we make our crypto look a whole lot more like a 'security' than it did before". I am very appreciative of that move, both for the environment's sake and for the boost in value of my crypto comedy futures portfolio

Blotto_Otter fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Feb 13, 2023

Lazyfire
Feb 4, 2006

God saves. Satan Invests

This is a pretty good article on the problem the SEC is seeing is the "Staking as a Service" and how it is different than just staking yourself. The "crypto lending" actions mentioned are the cases like Celsius that would let you give them your BTC and they would pay you in CEL and then provide interest as you kept letting them use your tokens. Of course, there was never any money there, nor an intention of paying anyone back.

drk
Jan 16, 2005
Binance's stablecoin BUSD, is dead: https://paxos.com/2023/02/13/paxos-will-halt-minting-new-busd-tokens/

There is an unconfirmed leak that in addition to the NY action that shut them down, they also received a Wells notice from the SEC (a letter that basically states the SEC's intent to sue).

Splicer
Oct 16, 2006

from hell's heart I cast at thee
🧙🐀🧹🌙🪄🐸

drk posted:

Binance's stablecoin BUSD, is dead: https://paxos.com/2023/02/13/paxos-will-halt-minting-new-busd-tokens/

There is an unconfirmed leak that in addition to the NY action that shut them down, they also received a Wells notice from the SEC (a letter that basically states the SEC's intent to sue).

quote:

Paxos Will Halt Minting New BUSD Tokens
Existing Tokens Remain Fully-Backed and Redeemable Through Paxos Trust Company Through At Least February 2024
So now they're extra rare and worth a lot more right? To the moon!

Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish

drk posted:

Binance's stablecoin BUSD, is dead: https://paxos.com/2023/02/13/paxos-will-halt-minting-new-busd-tokens/

There is an unconfirmed leak that in addition to the NY action that shut them down, they also received a Wells notice from the SEC (a letter that basically states the SEC's intent to sue).

hey! its not binance's! they just share a name, its like john smith in the bitcoin world

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

drk posted:

Binance's stablecoin BUSD, is dead: https://paxos.com/2023/02/13/paxos-will-halt-minting-new-busd-tokens/

There is an unconfirmed leak that in addition to the NY action that shut them down, they also received a Wells notice from the SEC (a letter that basically states the SEC's intent to sue).

I pronounce BUSD in my head like "bussy"

drk
Jan 16, 2005

jokes posted:

I pronounce BUSD in my head like "bussy"

clearly its "busty", which always make me laugh

Agents are GO!
Dec 29, 2004

drk posted:

Binance's stablecoin BUSD, is dead: https://paxos.com/2023/02/13/paxos-will-halt-minting-new-busd-tokens/

There is an unconfirmed leak that in addition to the NY action that shut them down, they also received a Wells notice from the SEC (a letter that basically states the SEC's intent to sue).

🎵Goons are gawking, retails balking,🎵
🎵SBF's online and keeps talking,🎵
🎵SEC writes 'cause they're gonna sue,🎵
🎵So come on, crypto, you got BUSD to move!🎵

Zopotantor
Feb 24, 2013

...und ist er drin dann lassen wir ihn niemals wieder raus...

Ups_rail posted:

Okay someone explain the staking thing.

You get the stake and a hammer, and if you want to make extra sure a sickle.
Then you find the bitcoin in its coffin, hammer the stake through its heart, cut off the head with the sickle, stuff its mouth with garlic and bury it upside down at a crossroads.

drk
Jan 16, 2005
So apparently Binance was basically making fake versions of its own stablecoin, which is one of the reasons they got busted:

Bloomberg posted:

Binance mints billions of dollars’ worth of its own versions of third-party coins like Bitcoin, Ether, Circle’s USDC and Paxos’s BUSD to make them usable on other blockchains than the ones they were built for, such as the platform’s own BNB Smart Chain. Those coins, known as Binance-peg or B-Tokens, are supposed to be backed 1-to-1 by locked reserves of the coins they’re based on, stored separately from customer funds, and often do not involve any oversight from the original issuer.

Binance acknowledged issues with having historically undercollateralized the reserves for its version of BUSD — known as Binance-peg BUSD — last month, creating a situation where it would regularly mint new B-Tokens without having locked up the corresponding collateral first in a designated wallet. The B-Token version of Circle’s USDC was also impacted, the person said, noting that on one occasion, Binance only had $100 million in stored collateral to support $1.7 billion in Binance-peg USDC.

The exchange also admitted to mistakenly mixing together reserves for almost half of its 94 B-Tokens with exchange-customer funds.

Step 1) Get plausibly legitimate US company to issue an USD backed stablecoin (Paxos BUSD)
Step 2) Clone the coin on another blockchain (Binance BUSD)
Step 3) Promise you actually have the original backed stable coin as collateral, but instead don't bother and just make poo poo up
Step 4) "Accidentally" mix your supposed reserves with customer funds for bonus points

Lammasu
May 8, 2019

lawful Good Monster
I heard one of the crypto companies that advertised in the super bowl last year is selling stocks though NFTs. Any idea how that works?

sick of Applebees
Nov 7, 2008
Oh my god that's so loving good about Binance. Ya love to hear it folks

Agents are GO!
Dec 29, 2004

Lammasu posted:

I heard one of the crypto companies that advertised in the super bowl last year is selling stocks though NFTs. Any idea how that works?

Violating several state and federal laws?

(I know nothing about this other than the info in your question, I'm just making an educated guess.)

Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish
Binance-pegged Bussy

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

drk posted:

So apparently Binance was basically making fake versions of its own stablecoin, which is one of the reasons they got busted:

Step 1) Get plausibly legitimate US company to issue an USD backed stablecoin (Paxos BUSD)
Step 2) Clone the coin on another blockchain (Binance BUSD)
Step 3) Promise you actually have the original backed stable coin as collateral, but instead don't bother and just make poo poo up
Step 4) "Accidentally" mix your supposed reserves with customer funds for bonus points

there's another company named b-token that manufactures physical casino chips and I hope they file a massive lawsuit for reputational damage

Ups_rail
Dec 8, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

drk posted:

So apparently Binance was basically making fake versions of its own stablecoin, which is one of the reasons they got busted:

Step 1) Get plausibly legitimate US company to issue an USD backed stablecoin (Paxos BUSD)
Step 2) Clone the coin on another blockchain (Binance BUSD)
Step 3) Promise you actually have the original backed stable coin as collateral, but instead don't bother and just make poo poo up
Step 4) "Accidentally" mix your supposed reserves with customer funds for bonus points

holy poo poo can we get the underpants gnomes in on this? because it is loving crazy.

Iron Chef Ramen
Sep 15, 2007

HA HA! YOU HAVE CHOSEN POORLY!
lol none of these dumb fucks can resist disemboweling their golden goose

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


ultrafilter posted:

Can you imagine trying to explain the internet to someone from 1996?
Uh.... I was explaining it to my dad in 1984?

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Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb

Iron Chef Ramen posted:

lol none of these dumb fucks can resist disemboweling their golden goose

This is too charitable. Every single dollar "made" off crypto has directly come out of the pocket of a sucker but the goose actually makes something.

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