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edgar_ posted:I thought about a data bender but I have a beads and saw this video and it made me realize that I have so much more to explore with what I already have beads is super deep, and I could spend 1000 hours learning more about what I already have, but I will never stop buying modules  Nautilus is on the list, too, along with QPAS and if I'm insane, 3xXPO
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One of my DJ friends was giving me poo poo for learning trackers over a "real" DAW, but I'm digging learning from a more archaic age. It feels like learning calculus by first principles.
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Trackers are just as much of a “real” DAW as Ableton Cubase Reaper or FL. Your friend’s nuts.
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I actually have zero problems with trackers, but those are obvious to me. I would have far less trouble dealing with Renoise and at times I have considered getting it, or a Polyend to shake things up a bit. Trackers are just hard quantized monophonic samplers in their Amiga form with flexible multitimbrality. It’s what makes them so useful for breakcore - you can’t make any wrong beats.
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They got the Bigfoot dj mindset. Only thing you can do for them now is drop em off at Shambhala, and let nature take its course.
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Trackers certainly have some very valid limitations but it's much faster to edit notes than dragging boxes around on a piano roll. Everyone plays to a click track and quantizes their midi anyways so being stuck to a fixed grid doesn't seem like much of a downside to me.
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Renoise has note humanizing even when recording from MIDI so you aren’t really stuck to the grid anyway.
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I love Renoise but I could never figure out how to integrate hardware synths into the work flow. E: I mean in a way that didn't strike me as obtuse as compared to something like Ableton where you can just lay down tracks
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Rolo posted:I wish I didn’t like pocket operators and the OP-1 so much because as a company I can’t stop rolling my eyes harder every time something comes out. I like pocket operators but everything else about that company is a joke, down to the Ronco Record Recorder
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A friend lent me an Intellijel Rubicon 1 and I'm trying to understand thru zero synthesis. It looks like I need more lfo's or modulation options to really get it going.
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I'll be a little surprised if I'm the person in this thread that ends up defending FL Studio. 
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The pricing model is something I can appreciate, if nothing else.
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minidracula posted:I'll be a little surprised if I'm the person in this thread that ends up defending FL Studio. i’ve been using it for about a decade at this point and while it’s a bit lacking when it comes to working with audio clips (which is a pretty big downside) it’s a tool that lets me take ideas from my brain and convert it into vibrating air for the world to enjoy without having to think about it and that’s all i could ask for. it’s a bit annoying doing stuff like routing midi to an effect and such that really slow me down and make me want to swap to something else but on the other hand i’ve gone through several major version updates without ever having to give them any more money which is pretty incredible
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The one thing I miss from fl studio is how automation lanes are no different from audio or midi tracks in that they contain clips of automation. Make one good filter sweep curve, shift it around, clone it around, modify one instance to modify all clones, associate a specific curve with another parameter etc. The whole cubase or reaper paradigm where it is just unique points on the timeline with no persistent way to group selections of them sucks.
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Pollyanna posted:No, that’s not real. No, no, no that’s not real it’s not rea-
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MSPain posted:I love Renoise but I could never figure out how to integrate hardware synths into the work flow. Kinda where I landed. Actually I really like Ableton's live-clip fusion for kind of doing the tracker thing w/ continuous audio. Like I can still structure my little pieces and arrange them like legos but I can also just send a tracks worth of MIDI to my synth I wanna tweak
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Gentrification implies it's going to push poor people out and ain't no one buying that piece of crap. The traditional folding table is 1/10 the price and more stable.
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I honestly don't get the outright anger/hatred toward TE over pricing. Sure its funny, and I'm obviously not buying a $1500 table, but, like, they aren't trying to trick anyone or lock someone into something where they feel like they have to have it. They made something, put a price on it, and I would bet basically nobody is going to agree to the price. Not sure what the problem is other than its funny.
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toadee posted:I honestly don't get the outright anger/hatred toward TE over pricing. Sure its funny, and I'm obviously not buying a $1500 table, but, like, they aren't trying to trick anyone or lock someone into something where they feel like they have to have it. They made something, put a price on it, and I would bet basically nobody is going to agree to the price. Not sure what the problem is other than its funny. I’m not angry because I don’t want anything they make that isnt a pocket operator, but they do get a significant amount of attention that can get quite annoying (but honestly hacks will be hacks and if it werent them dominating the convo it would be someone else like akai or whatever) And that record player using Ronco style imagery just too on the nose to not be an unclothed emperor situation. Whether they intended the Ronco mark of ‘quality’ comparison or not.
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like i’ve said before i don’t really care about a company selling stuff i wasn’t planning on buying for exuberant prices but i just find their whole deal of outwardly having their #1 motivator being making obscene amounts of money really gross. like i get that it’s a company and that’s their whole reason for existing but at least roland pretends to care about art. i can’t get over how gross and shameless it is that they put ferraris inside of the office to motivate the workers, that if they just work hard enough they too can own one. like tai lopez or some poo poo. synthesizers are p cool imo
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watho posted:i can’t get over how gross and shameless it is that they put ferraris inside of the office to motivate the workers, that if they just work hard enough they too can own one. like tai lopez or some poo poo. I rescind my prior statement, I hate them and this is why.
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I don't care if they make overpriced poo poo or stuff that isn't synths, but it should at least be overpriced poo poo that is cool. Some aluminum rails keeping a piece of wood off the floor is not cool.
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Teenage Engineering is annoying and twee and I try not to give a poo poo and live and let live, but then they sell a card table for $1599 and I just want to give all of them an atomic wedgie and hang them from a telephone pole by their underwear.
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watho posted:like i’ve said before i don’t really care about a company selling stuff i wasn’t planning on buying for exuberant prices but i just find their whole deal of outwardly having their #1 motivator being making obscene amounts of money really gross. like i get that it’s a company and that’s their whole reason for existing but at least roland pretends to care about art. From what I can tell from a quick search, they are all 80s and 90s cars and they are there because of their design aesthetic, not as motivation for more work. Opinions obviously will differ but I do agree the Lamborghini Countach is an icon of design in a way I think they are aiming to emulate. Also I don't think making absurdly priced tables is a particularly good way to try to make money if that's your #1 goal. They'd sell far more if they used cheaper materials and labor and cut the price by tons.
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I don't like the dumb poo poo Teenage Engineering is doing now because their other stuff was so cool. The OP-Z and Pocket Operators were great. But all the poo poo nowadays isn't just overpriced, it's also bad. The Computer-1 case? Bad heat management, a weird size that's hard to find parts for, and seems like a pain in the rear end to assemble. TX-6? The jacks are way too close together on it, and it doesn't even work fully on Windows, just Mac. The stupid $30 water bottle? They don't even list if it's dishwasher safe or not on the product page. Even the OP-Z has been losing its luster. It's just poorly manufactured. I like it a lot, I use it the most out of all my gear, but it just feels so cheap. The expansion modules seemed like a cool idea at first but in practice feel very poorly thought out. They should have really put a window in the back or have them come with a sticker or something. Having to open the back panel on the OP-Z to change toggles on the expansion modules is super dumb, too.
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toadee posted:I honestly don't get the outright anger/hatred toward TE over pricing. Sure its funny, and I'm obviously not buying a $1500 table, but, like, they aren't trying to trick anyone or lock someone into something where they feel like they have to have it. They made something, put a price on it, and I would bet basically nobody is going to agree to the price. Not sure what the problem is other than its funny. Agreed. They're the only company putting out teething-safe sampling workstations for babies and quite frankly they can charge what they like. We need more toddlers making beats and if it takes making the delay look like a cow to get them banging, so be it
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I love teenage engineering and the products for which I am not the target audience I simply do not purchase.
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In cooler news, tentative patch notes for new M8 firmware got posted (this release isn't in testing yet so no one but the dev has had their hands on it). But it's a pretty nuts new feature list. code:
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I love TE because people get so worked up over their overpriced stuff, it makes me lol and support them in this endeavor. Also the POs are an insanely cool value and just all around amazing pieces of music creation. For those alone I’m down with them.
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TE synth stuff is cool. TE everything else is exceedingly stupid. Their designs are neither clever nor improvements. *~lifestyle brand~*
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xzzy posted:M8 V3 Just checked it out....loving cool stuff.
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JamesKPolk posted:Agreed. They're the only company putting out teething-safe sampling workstations for babies and quite frankly they can charge what they like. We need more toddlers making beats and if it takes making the delay look like a cow to get them banging, so be it 
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Startyde posted:BOOST It's an instant momentary tempo doubler. Only affects the sequencer. The sync signal stays steady. Really launches your doots
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I went to a diy build event in NYC once and some TE guy showed up for some reason. He had the energy of Jason Mantzoukas playing a new character called the "synth bro" and had nothing of any use or interest to say, but walking around with the air of a rock star. That said, yeah the company can do whatever they want, and I think the pocket operators are solidly cool. I think they deserve flack though, because the synth community should keep it's culture of being weird basement dwellers safe from neo yuppie hyper capitalists.
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Sorry I'll take myself back to CSPAM.
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ricecult posted:I think they deserve flack though, because the synth community should keep it's culture of being weird basement dwellers safe from neo yuppie hyper capitalists. when was it ever that? synth hardware is inherently a consumerist fetish when you can make 99% of the same sounds with a midi controller, software, and the laptop you already own. no one needs a hardware tracker or another analog monosynth or anything eurorack. it’s all luxury toys.
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inferis posted:when was it ever that? synth hardware is inherently a consumerist fetish when you can make 99% of the same sounds with a midi controller, software, and the laptop you already own. no one needs a hardware tracker or another analog monosynth or anything eurorack. it’s all luxury toys. MUSIQUE CONCRETE II Rise of the Machines
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Or maybe Part Deux instead
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