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forkboy84 posted:Spoiler alert, they didn't do it and spurious justifications to deselect them or kick them from the party are found and suddenly a new party that could have had a solid base of 15-20 sitting MPs has none. Top job by the great political minds of the Labour left Yeah 100% this. The SCG could justifiably jump ship to the Greens who are offering a £15 minimum wage and so on, bringing tens if not hundreds of thousands of members and hopefully some union support with them. But they won't because, as noted above, they're idiots and cowards.
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Jedit posted:Maybe it's a south of the border thing. The one I ate - or at least had a bite of, the rest went in the bin - was basically deep fried porridge. Unlike you to lay down the law, based on... once having a bite of one... and turn out to be wrong lol.
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forkboy84 posted:Spoiler alert, they didn't do it and spurious justifications to deselect them or kick them from the party are found and suddenly a new party that could have had a solid base of 15-20 sitting MPs has none. Top job by the great political minds of the Labour left The CUK's were an absolute joke of a party that wrecked the political careers of everyone involved, but it did deal a decisive blow to Corbyn's Labour as everyone who left to join them didn't come back when Chuka Umunna's band of complete loving idiots burned up on contact with oxygen. Problem is, it's harder to do a suicide run of your political career when there isn't a cushy do nothing job working for a PR firm for some evil dictatorship waiting for you.
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sebzilla posted:Yeah 100% this. You have far more faith in the Greens then their select band of gently caress-ups, morons, TERFs and nuclear-is-the-nuclear-option tin foil hat-wearing cranks has ever demonstrated they deserve. A small group of left-wing MPs Keith has to keep on board in the not-unlikely event that Labour get a small majority at the next GE could do far more good than 15-20 former MPs kicked out by their former constituents.
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kingturnip posted:A small group of left-wing MPs Keith has to keep on board in the not-unlikely event that Labour get a small majority at the next GE could do far more good than 15-20 former MPs kicked out by their former constituents. Keith won't need the left for support, because he's not going to do things the LibDems and Tories seriously oppose.
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kingturnip posted:You have far more faith in the Greens then their select band of gently caress-ups, morons, TERFs and nuclear-is-the-nuclear-option tin foil hat-wearing cranks has ever demonstrated they deserve. Their manifesto in 2019 was pretty drat good and I'd back at least a handful of the SCG to hold their seats under a Green ticket with incumbency bias against a shithouse Labour replacement. Making the Greens a more significant force in terms of numbers, support and crucially funding ahead of the election gives a greater chance of picking up extra seats, too. And they can hold Starmer's feet to the fire more effectively as a coalition partner (or confidence and supply, whatever) than they can from within the party, if it does end up being that close. And if not, just proving that socialist candidates can win outside of Labour would be huge.
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The greens were hostile to labour in the 2019 election and also after the fact were very vocal about wanting nothing to do with anybody coming from the labour party post corbyn, I doubt they would be interested in joining forces with former labour left wing MPs.
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Looks like ChatGPT is getting sentient... https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/bing-microsoft-chatgpt-ai-unhinged-b2281802.html quote:One user who had attempted to manipulate the system was instead attacked by it. Bing said that it was made angry and hurt by the attempt, and asked whether the human talking to it had any “morals”, “values”, and if it has “any life”. Shades of Robocop, the bomb in Dark Star, that machine on Star Trek Original that Dr someone or other built that turns on everyone, HAL etc. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Feb 15, 2023 |
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OwlFancier posted:The greens were hostile to labour in the 2019 election and also after the fact were very vocal about wanting nothing to do with anybody coming from the labour party post corbyn, I doubt they would be interested in joining forces with former labour left wing MPs. The Greens lost a huge chunk of their members to Corbyn, leaving the only rightmost behind, so of course they sounded hostile then. It's also kind of the job of Green politicians, to say that people should not vote Labour but Green. But they eagerly accept ex-Labour members into the party, and they have a very democratic constitution, which means that when lefties join (as they did under Blair etc), Green manifestos veer left. Ultimately the problem of Labour is that it has been captured by capitalist interests which have gradually built a mass of institutional blocks preventing democratic control of the party. If a socialist party can be achieved at all, it needs a constitution that prevents that. Labour is past hope in that regard, I think. But we can set a new party up, or more likely set hundreds up and just hope one somehow gets traction in the public mind, or we can move into a democratic party that's right there and already has a large following.
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Guardian article worth reading for the sheer audacity of key points omitted and failures to mention who was actually responsible for the stuff that they DO mention: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/feb/15/labour-out-of-ehrc-special-measures-after-progress-on-tackling-antisemitism
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I wonder what would happen if the Tories completly imploded to the point of non recovery, like some of the more outlandish polls are saying (Tories reduced to 40 odd seats, less than the SNP) Would we see a split in the labour party to create a new left and right wing party? we're seeing that everyone who is a millenial or younger is pretty left wing, and partys will have to tack left in the next 20 years or so. (I hate that it's that long)
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They'll tack left either 30 seconds before or 30 seconds after collapse and not a second earlier. By now we're coming up on three full generations in the anglo world that have known nothing but neoliberal decline and failure, in 20 years it'll be five or so. Something has to give, but something has had to give for many decades now. Remember that among themselves, tories are always at least mildly surprised when riots don't occur after their latest crime against the people. Hell, I'm Gen X, we bore the first brunt and that was loving intolerable compared to what could have been, god almighty knows how generations following have it. From having my milk snatched and my dad being laid off from British Steel, it's been one kick in the teeth after another, some of them crippling, class sizes increasing, university defunded so that before I left freshers were using the sports hall as a dormitory, graduating into the teeth of the worst recession for ages and the worst graduate recruitment in history to that point, my beloved trains privatised for no loving good goddamn reason, gas, electric, mail, loving water privatised, skyrocketing house prices and a career of dodging cuts and offshoring and GFC hitting just at the wrong time (there would never be a right time), capitalism making GBS threads itself to death every five years or so in once-in-a-lifetime events, and on and on and on and on, death by several million cuts, not a thousand. I wish it had been just a thousand. Plus post-career it went right into Labour collapse, Brexit, covid, inflation, every _____phobia and hate crime under the sun on the rise, and all the rest, including creeping authoritarianism disguised as common sense, the bootlickers just love that. And that's just me, and I've had it good and I've been lucky! Yet I'm forever Harold Lloyd on the girders, one wrong step and it's goodnight. I really do feel for those following. They started off robbed and didn't even know. They would love to have a girder, I bet. It's no comfort to them or you, but I voted for things to be better. I don't smoke but I'll take the blindfold, thanks. Maybe you can grow potatoes.
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gently caress Labour to absolute death and I hope Keith gets hit by a garbage truck and subsequently crushed as the detritus he is.
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OwlFancier posted:The greens were hostile to labour in the 2019 election and also after the fact were very vocal about wanting nothing to do with anybody coming from the labour party post corbyn, I doubt they would be interested in joining forces with former labour left wing MPs. Yeah but that was when Labour was to the left of Thatcher and this a threat to the Green’s positioning as kinda socialist, I dare say it’s be different now
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Our office is relocating and turfing everything out - if anyone knows a charity that needs nice, massive (like too big to take home) desks, locked cupboards, tables, chairs, seats, maybe some couches, get in touch. (I might be able to help shift stuff on a weekend but the kicker being you have to be able to arrange all your own collection and transport from the xth floor of an office near Victoria, no guarantees of fire safety certificates(?) on couches or whathaveyou. ) E: parking available for as long as it takes Chubby Henparty fucked around with this message at 09:32 on Feb 15, 2023 |
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Unlike you to lay down the law, based on... once having a bite of one... and turn out to be wrong lol. The ability to know that you're eating poo poo without having to consume an entire turd is more common than you think among people who didn't buy a Tesla.
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I can't get excited about the prospect of a handful of leftwing MPs in labour when they have spent the last three loving years doing less than gently caress all if they aren't willing to stick up for poo poo now then I don't see them doing so if keef wins either- and even if they did suddenly and amazingly find some confidence in their personal and political convictions they still have few levers to pull and ever shrinking weight to put behind them fighting for captaincy of a sinking ship while making a toast with the last dregs of a poisoned chalice
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Diet Crack posted:lol whee thank you guardian i will tell the mods about this and it will be sorted out
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Least bigoted centrist: https://twitter.com/TimBall16/status/1625391990287355906
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Breaking news: Starmer has gone live this morning with a conference to assure us that they'll never let those evil antisemites back in the party and that the party has completely abandoned everything it stood for in 2019. I hope a stage light falls on him.
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Also I hear thread heroine Just Kidding Rowlin' Rowlin' Rowlin' Rowlin' Rowlin' is now suing (or threatening?) people to take down tweets?
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Jedit posted:The ability to know that you're eating poo poo without having to consume an entire turd is more common than you think among people who didn't buy a Tesla. ok, but you said that you thought it tasted like poo poo whilst acting like an authority on the matter and saying it was made from beef. Everyone else who doesn't eat poo poo proved it was made from pork. You also really need to let go of your weird hatred around a poster buying a really popular award winning car.
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Choosing to remain within Labour should now be rightly viewed as an act of hostility towards leftist goals, there is no appeasing the appeasers
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Failed Imagineer posted:My car has won many awards Congratulations friend
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NotJustANumber99 posted:ok, but you said that you thought it tasted like poo poo whilst acting like an authority on the matter and saying it was made from beef. Everyone else who doesn't eat poo poo proved it was made from pork. From Wiki: Alongside these more refined and elaborate recipes, a simpler form of white pudding was popular in Ireland, Scotland, and some parts of Northern England, combining suet, oatmeal (or barley in Northumberland), seasoning and onions, in sheep's or cow's intestines. In Gaelic-speaking parts of Scotland and Ireland they were referred to by the names marag gheal or putóg bhán.[8]: 883 These oatmeal-based puddings survived into modern Irish and Scottish cuisine, although with significant regional differences. Modern commercially made Scottish white puddings are generally based on oatmeal, onions, and beef suet;[9] the same mixture simply fried in a pan is known as skirlie.
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https://twitter.com/cowinthenorth/status/1625763133078794240?s=46&t=0kh6v7EvrulRGcnAUvl0Fg I think this is fair. Labour is officially a far-right party now. Don't look for hope of reform from people within it - treat their continued membership of it as a mark against them.
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"Okay, you took the Hippocratic oath to do no harm. But, can you make people go back to work, for the economy? What do you mean that will hurt their long term health? That's not relevant. Also can you advise your patients to only be sick on weekends and holidays? Thank you."
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NotJustANumber99 posted:award winning car. The Hitler Award for Terribleness is not something to be proud of
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sebzilla posted:Their manifesto in 2019 was pretty drat good and I'd back at least a handful of the SCG to hold their seats under a Green ticket with incumbency bias against a shithouse Labour replacement. Making the Greens a more significant force in terms of numbers, support and crucially funding ahead of the election gives a greater chance of picking up extra seats, too. And they can hold Starmer's feet to the fire more effectively as a coalition partner (or confidence and supply, whatever) than they can from within the party, if it does end up being that close. And if not, just proving that socialist candidates can win outside of Labour would be huge. You would have to actually do this, though. And the Greens have had one (1) MP for a long time now. In a FPTP system what you just said isn't, actually, necessarily, true. The only independent I'm pretty sure would win is Corbyn himself.
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Diet Crack posted:gently caress Labour to absolute death and I hope Keith gets hit by a garbage truck and subsequently crushed as the detritus he is. that kind of language is unacceptable itt 
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