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socialsecurity posted:Also part of the reason people play OW2 is to get away from one shot headshot sniper instant deaths that plague many other FPSs, Widowmaker is just the new generation of AWPers in a game even less designed to accept that. Good news! The Valentine's Day LTE is 4v4 Hanzo-only with the return of Scatter Arrow.
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comedyblissoption posted:people just really hate sniper archetypes in video games b/c it usually involves changing the way you normally play to deal with it It's not even that, it just feels like they're either completely destroying your team or non-existent. I don't think i've ever had a game where i've gone up against a widow and come away going "you know, that was a fun match for both teams". I have the same sort of reaction to ball, or last seasons constant "play orisa and touch eachother" meta. I miss dive.
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Feb 14, 2023 00:25
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i wish the best ball counters hadnt been changed to not really counter him anymore because i love playing ball and i want him to be powerful but if hes as oppressive as he seems rn theyre going to hit him with nerf bat. it feels great to force the enemy to switch strategy to punish you but they dont seem to like that as a design ethos for ow2 which imo is a mistake
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Feb 14, 2023 01:14
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Is there any counter to Ball? Junk’s trap maybe? He’s so drat slippery.
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The Midniter posted:Is there any counter to Ball? Junk’s trap maybe? He’s so drat slippery. im gold so take this with a grain of salt but depending on map the most frustrating thing for me is the mei wall. Not much else slows me down except the rest of my team getting wiped because im not confirming kills or being annoying enough. between this and the rein firestrike buff this is my season to hard slam tank for sure
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The Midniter posted:Is there any counter to Ball? Junk’s trap maybe? He’s so drat slippery. Sombra hack and Ana sleep dart
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Feb 14, 2023 04:13
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Brig and Lucio's access to low coolown knockback effects also can really mess with Ball's momentum, a knockback when he's swinging toward you on a grapple can just completely stuff his engage.
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Feb 14, 2023 04:16
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The Midniter posted:Is there any counter to Ball? Junk’s trap maybe? He’s so drat slippery. Junk Trap, Mei Wall, Hog Hook, Ana Dart. Anything that stops him kills him.
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Feb 14, 2023 06:07
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+1 to all the suggestions, anything that disrupts movement works. Symm turrets do ok but required setup. Mccree and his incredible burst damage also does pretty well.
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Feb 14, 2023 06:11
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I played a little bit of the Loverwatch dating sim and it's surprisingly funny.
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Feb 14, 2023 09:09
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A widow player complaining that people go out of their way to kill them is something lol. No poo poo.
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Yeah, that thing about them adding extra clauses into the matchmaker to balance tanks was a total lie.
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I play a fair bit of Ball, probably high plat + low diamond. Counters that don't seem to work (from the perspective of the Ball player):
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There's no one thing that's going to shut down a good Ball player on a favorable map with stairways (easy slams), narrow chokes (easy rolls), and easily accessed mega-health packs. Your team usually needs to commit minimum 2 heroes to shut him down (eg Dva + Sombra) and converge on him the second he engages. It's often not worth the trouble, and you're better off just pressuring his team before he can murder your healers. van fem fucked around with this message at 09:30 on Feb 14, 2023 |
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Feb 14, 2023 09:23
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I'm a big agree on sombra being useless against ball. Her damage isn't good enough for the rest of the game and even if I hack ball right before he slams into the team he can usually roll away.
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Feb 14, 2023 10:13
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I'm a QP scrub because I can't be bothered grinding Comp, so every time I sleep ball he just gets woken up and rolls away. Even if I anti him, he just nopes out faster than he can be dealt with.
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Feb 14, 2023 10:57
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:I'm a QP scrub because I can't be bothered grinding Comp, so every time I sleep ball he just gets woken up and rolls away. Even if I anti him, he just nopes out faster than he can be dealt with. Yeah, can't nerf him soon enough for my tastes. He's just too drat immortal for such mobility.
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Feb 14, 2023 10:58
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Are there any effective counters to a beam-heavy team like Zarya, Sym, Mei, Moira, [support #2]? I ran into this as a tank and no matter who I switched to I got ruthlessly microwaved.
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Is their whole team running at you together? This is probably more of a "you should do it back" thing than a "you need to be a certain tank" thing. Like, Rein should be able to run through a team like that by just murdering the sym while also being pocketed, but if they're running 5 people at you with the express purpose of killing you and your team isn't doing it back, you're gonna lose, i'd swap to winston or something and try to divide their attention.
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Feb 14, 2023 13:14
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The Midniter posted:Is there any counter to Ball? Junk’s trap maybe? He’s so drat slippery. Dick Jones posted:Are there any effective counters to a beam-heavy team like Zarya, Sym, Mei, Moira, [support #2]? I ran into this as a tank and no matter who I switched to I got ruthlessly microwaved. I might also try to use Zarya's barriers if I or a teammate is getting crowded a lot. The fact that she can use two self barriers in a row or two projected barriers in a row, depending on who's the one being microwaved, makes her a lot more versatile than in OW1.
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Mercy healing is kind of bananas on tanks now
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As a non-Mercy player (usually not, anyway), I love the changes. Previously a good Mercy was just an unkillable damage boost. Now she is killable but is far more impactful. A well executed ult can be used defensively to save the team in a rough spot. Not sure the exact numbers if she can help the team tank a Bob or Reaper ult, but she can definitely help win some teamfights.
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 As usual, everything in Overwatch 2 is broken, even more so when it comes to matchmaking. Also, Sigma's tank passive is not working at all. EDIT:  "For context our changes were all super cool improvements, if you ignore the part where the basically functionality is non-existent." Jack Trades fucked around with this message at 11:26 on Feb 15, 2023 |
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Feb 15, 2023 11:07
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Jack Trades posted:"For context our changes were all super cool improvements, if you ignore the part where the basically functionality is non-existent." My guess is that the system got too focused on matching individual roles together so there'd be a couple of Gold tanks wondering what the gently caress is going on
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Yeah i've noticed that a ton of my tanks (the angrier, shittier ones) are trying to survive in masters lobbies when they're sat in gold. It's pretty funny. They'll get told to play slightly safer and stop breaking LOS and they'll just start screaming down the mic.
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Trip report: Ball is in a very powerful position right now. Idk if it's because hitscsn is the meta or if the introduction of robot maps gave or maybe it's the buffs. Probably all three. Played three tank games last night, and ended up swapping to ball on two of them and won them both. The new pile-driver timer is perfect for reengagement, the shields were less useful than I thought they'd be because healers were happy to get ult charge when I came back to them. Edit: some context, I've played ball up to mid diamond before but am wildly out of practice. He still did well. I do wonder how much of his power comes from teams not knowing how to handle him. Cpt_Obvious fucked around with this message at 13:30 on Feb 15, 2023 |
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the Hazno TDM is somehow the best seasonal event so far lol
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dogstile posted:Yeah i've noticed that a ton of my tanks (the angrier, shittier ones) are trying to survive in masters lobbies when they're sat in gold.
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This changes higher up. You tell a masters/gm player that you're struggling to help them and ask them to change how hard they engage, most of them will listen (even if they're rude about it). Meanwhile you tell someone in gold or whatever that they should stop charging around the corner using all their cooldowns while none of you have LOS and they'll just mald and throw. Edit: Realtalk tho make junker queens knife a mini hack. Have it pull ball out of his roll form. It's already really hard to hit him, lets punish him for letting it happen. dogstile fucked around with this message at 17:29 on Feb 15, 2023 |
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dogstile posted:Realtalk tho make junker queens knife a mini hack. Have it pull ball out of his roll form. It's already really hard to hit him, lets punish him for letting it happen. That could be a whole category of tank ability. Winston and doom's landing, orisa's jav (if pinned).
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I went like, 3-17 on my last 20 matches. Decided that maybe today the matchmaker decided to stop hating me. First round we stomped them easily. Second round one of our supports "stole" Moira pick from the other support and the other support threw a fit and AFKed the whole match, leading to yet another loss.
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i set my goal as like trying to get better at mechanics or some aspect of the game youre guaranteed to get huge loss streaks from just variance alone
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never underestimate the combination of variance giving you a loss streak and then turbo tilting from that into twice as many losses
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That win 3 as 3 is such a dumb goddamn weekly and the counter doesn't help poo poo. It doesn't even track the individual wins on each role. It only counts up if you win them in groups. So you have to win as tank, dps and support in order for it to count up.
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comedyblissoption posted:i set my goal as like trying to get better at mechanics or some aspect of the game Yeah thats not true. If your matchmaker is correctly plotting out even probability of wins, the likelihood of going 0-5 over any stretch is just over 3% or 1 out of 33 for any stretch of 5 games. If you're observing 5 loss streaks or 6 loss streaks, something broke structurally (you could be personally be playing below expectation due to champ select or tired or playing on tilt, whatever). Especially in competitive. Variance should not produce big win or loss streaks, so it's worth investigating when they happen. Individually it means you should figure out what's up with yourself and on dev side they should be monitoring the rate it's happening because it clearly shows something is not operating as expected.
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I think I also don't like the idea of being able to intuitively guess "this is going to be one I lose terribly with a DPS who goes 4-16, I just won three in a row" and be right
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The last match I had before calling it last night had a dps Moira who, while the primalling Winston was solo focusing me around and around the point on Ilios Ruins, was following us holding succ on the Winston and doing no healing whatsoever. I think they had around 3.5K total heals by the end of three rounds. This is the sort of thing that just completely breaks your spirit.
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