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No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

Real Cool Catfish posted:

I’ve rolled the quest the same day I complained about it.This is not a drill. :kingsley:
Speaking of the quest that gets unlocked. God dang it is long.

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Zenostein
Aug 16, 2008

:h::h::h:Alhamdulillah-chan:h::h::h:

No Wave posted:

Speaking of the quest that gets unlocked. God dang it is long.

I didn't think it was terribly long; the real issue is that the quest feels like an introduction to sumeru. Setting aside how long it took to actually unlock the quest in the first place, that's like the third drat quest chain that's introduced me to these towns, and that seems excessive.

I was glad for the recipes at the end, though.

Meowywitch
Jan 14, 2010

Fight for all that is beautiful in the world

whos the cursed parasol good on?

Garrand
Dec 28, 2012

Rhino, you did this to me!

Cat-shaped Witch posted:

whos the cursed parasol good on?

I threw it on al cause of the EM. It's basically another Iron Sting with a single target debuff.

haypliss
Oct 2, 2022
A sword that works on dendro Keqing would surely suit the original as well.

RPATDO_LAMD
Mar 22, 2013

🐘🪠🍆

Cat-shaped Witch posted:

whos the cursed parasol good on?

keqing/haitham in quicken teams are the best characters to hold it since they actually make use of its passive
but EM substat is always good so kuki/kazuha love it too (equally as much as they love iron sting)

Meowywitch
Jan 14, 2010

Fight for all that is beautiful in the world

oh and for the future me: do not fight Signora on the hardest difficulty ever again

silvergoose
Mar 18, 2006

IT IS SAID THE TEARS OF THE BWEENIX CAN HEAL ALL WOUNDS




Cat-shaped Witch posted:

oh and for the future me: do not fight Signora on the hardest difficulty ever again

eh you just need a shield, a healer, and enough damage, just stay near the thingies to regain your thingie bar

Zenostein
Aug 16, 2008

:h::h::h:Alhamdulillah-chan:h::h::h:
Even if it's doable, it's still a pain in the rear end for not terribly much benefit.

silvergoose
Mar 18, 2006

IT IS SAID THE TEARS OF THE BWEENIX CAN HEAL ALL WOUNDS




Oh sure, it's just gotten to the point where it's trivial for me, like pretty much all content below abyss floor 12, because nothing else really curves up in power requirements to that extent.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

I had a hard time beating the final event duel in 90 seconds. Could never reliably get the timing down. I think playing on mobile might have made things a bit worse.

RPATDO_LAMD
Mar 22, 2013

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the trick to that one is a carryover from the previous parry-minigame event, which was explained in that one but never explained in this one
when maguu does that sword beam flurry attack, you aren't supposed to parry the actual melee hits. you're supposed to parry the projectiles, which reflects them back at him to do damage

when he starts winding up for it back up a bit outside of melee range and then time your parries to reflect the sword beams

FractalSandwich
Apr 25, 2010

silvergoose posted:

eh you just need a shield, a healer, and enough damage, just stay near the thingies to regain your thingie bar
My strat is to use the Nahida-Kokomi-Shinobu Hyperbloom kill squad like I do for every other fight that annoys me. With two healers you don't need a shielder, and hardly even need to worry about the DoT.

In the fire phase, she'll sometimes steal your seeds and make them Burgeon, but you make enough of them that it's not a big deal.

Zenostein
Aug 16, 2008

:h::h::h:Alhamdulillah-chan:h::h::h:

Ytlaya posted:

I had a hard time beating the final event duel in 90 seconds. Could never reliably get the timing down. I think playing on mobile might have made things a bit worse.

I gave up on properly parrying and just smacked him until he was annoyed enough to do something I could actually parry, so I could use the burst and smack him around.

Did actually die with 3 seconds left on pro, but since you don't need to win that one it doesn't matter in the slightest. Parries with cooldown are bullshit against an enemy like him anyway.

ThePineapple
Oct 19, 2009
I'm finally getting around to building my Yae, primarily for an AlHaitham Spread team. Is 4pc Gilded better than Emblem of Severed Fate nowadays on her?

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!

Cat-shaped Witch posted:

oh and for the future me: do not fight Signora on the hardest difficulty ever again

I just queue up for it and run it with 3 others. Sometimes it fails but most of the time it is fine.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




So are we all gonna have a final toast before we have the lids on our coffins shut when Dehya releases or is everyone just climbing in without sending a text?

Cat-shaped Witch posted:

oh and for the future me: do not fight Signora on the hardest difficulty ever again

Yeah, level 80 is enough for all of them if you're actually doing it for the rewards. Only bother with 90nid you're trying to get an achievement.

Coolness Averted
Feb 20, 2007

oh don't worry, I can't smell asparagus piss, it's in my DNA

GO HOGG WILD!
🐗🐗🐗🐗🐗
I thought 90 had a better chance of giving you more of their talent up mats. If you still reliably get 2 on 80 then yeah I'll bump it down. But if you can still beat them and it just goes from 1 minute to <5 I don't see the reason not to stick with 90.

Meowywitch
Jan 14, 2010

Fight for all that is beautiful in the world

incidentally I finally got a white tassel and that thing is now locked :cheers:

FractalSandwich
Apr 25, 2010

Zenostein posted:

I gave up on properly parrying and just smacked him until he was annoyed enough to do something I could actually parry, so I could use the burst and smack him around.

Did actually die with 3 seconds left on pro, but since you don't need to win that one it doesn't matter in the slightest. Parries with cooldown are bullshit against an enemy like him anyway.
It doesn't trigger a cooldown if you land a parry, so I think the idea is that if you get all of them in a row you're golden, but if you miss one and just get a normal guard, the cooldown effectively puts you in a kind of "blockstun" state where you can't parry the rest of the combo and have to just keep guarding. This is all fine in concept, but the system and controls aren't refined enough to track and handle that in a good way. In particular, if you tap the button expecting to get a parry and whiff, you'll have already stopped blocking and gone on cooldown before you get any feedback, and don't get a chance to pivot back to holding the button to make sure you can at least continue blocking.

Maybe that's by design and it's supposed to be a risk-reward thing, but the visual cues aren't clear enough to let you know what's happened and give you a chance to recover gracefully.

RPATDO_LAMD
Mar 22, 2013

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you can hold the button???
if i whiffed a parry I just dodged outta the way

e:

Coolness Averted posted:

I thought 90 had a better chance of giving you more of their talent up mats. If you still reliably get 2 on 80 then yeah I'll bump it down. But if you can still beat them and it just goes from 1 minute to <5 I don't see the reason not to stick with 90.

yeah the highest level versions are always the best loot and the most efficient in terms of loot per resin
but some people would rather be 5% less resin efficient in exchange for the boss being 75% less annoying (which is very valid)
once you can beat the annoying boss in 1 minute at the max difficulty then maybe you bump it up again

RPATDO_LAMD fucked around with this message at 06:19 on Feb 15, 2023

Coolness Averted
Feb 20, 2007

oh don't worry, I can't smell asparagus piss, it's in my DNA

GO HOGG WILD!
🐗🐗🐗🐗🐗

RPATDO_LAMD posted:

you can hold the button???
if i whiffed a parry I just dodged outta the way

e:

yeah the highest level versions are always the best loot and the most efficient in terms of loot per resin
but some people would rather be 5% less resin efficient in exchange for the boss being 75% less annoying (which is very valid)
once you can beat the annoying boss in 1 minute at the max difficulty then maybe you bump it up again
Yeah for a block, it's got a limit of a few seconds, so it's not like you can just hold block until you find an opening though.

Zenostein
Aug 16, 2008

:h::h::h:Alhamdulillah-chan:h::h::h:

FractalSandwich posted:

It doesn't trigger a cooldown if you land a parry, so I think the idea is that if you get all of them in a row you're golden, but if you miss one and just get a normal guard, the cooldown effectively puts you in a kind of "blockstun" state where you can't parry the rest of the combo and have to just keep guarding. This is all fine in concept, but the system and controls aren't refined enough to track and handle that in a good way. In particular, if you tap the button expecting to get a parry and whiff, you'll have already stopped blocking and gone on cooldown before you get any feedback, and don't get a chance to pivot back to holding the button to make sure you can at least continue blocking.

Maybe that's by design and it's supposed to be a risk-reward thing, but the visual cues aren't clear enough to let you know what's happened and give you a chance to recover gracefully.

Yeah, perhaps if I were holding instead of trying to tap I'd just be sitting there blocking instead of getting stunlocked by an absurdly long combo. It feels very square peg in a round hole once you get past the first few enemies, because the only one that's actually been made for this is the dog.

Radical
Apr 6, 2011

if you miss the parry you can dash and parry again. i think it only really matters against kenki though because of how long that one attack goes.

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
Dumb question - There's no way to do charged shots with a bow without aiming, right?

I mean, I assume that's the case but I was wondering if there was something I have critically missed over the year I've played.

sandorius
Nov 13, 2013
If you mean aiming mode, then no. However, if you play on PC there are RR macros to quickly enter and exit aiming mode, which is how you get those machine-gun videos on Youtube. Or you can simply hold the LMB to enter aiming mode as well.

If you mean the physical act of aiming at a target, new characters like Tighnari or Faruzan have mechanics where you just sort of aim at the ground near your target and let the AOE do the work for you.

If you mean waiting for the charged shot to charge, then some characters have constellations that let you skip the charge and fire off a fully charged shot immediately.

Kale
May 14, 2010

Stream seems early this time. Time to see if all the bloody prebitching and ironic shitposting about Dehya has any actual basis or has been yet another gross exaggeration by the internet getting really carried away with its own antics and echo chambers. Maybe if there was more credibility and a better track record on leak people not doomposting like every character only for them to turn out just fine.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

as someone who also makes fun of the leak subreddit for doing that dehya also seems pretty bad. her kit seems like itll only make sense 6 months from now with new artifacts and supports or something. she wont literally turn your computer to ash or anything but she reminds me of candace where im trying to figure out what the design goal even is.

Kale
May 14, 2010

Endorph posted:

as someone who also makes fun of the leak subreddit for doing that dehya also seems pretty bad. her kit seems like itll only make sense 6 months from now with new artifacts and supports or something. she wont literally turn your computer to ash or anything but she reminds me of candace where im trying to figure out what the design goal even is.

The people whose posts OPs are pulling off of bilibili or Baidu from China are generally fine credibility wise as is their data usually. The actual population of that sub is entirely insufferable and up its own rear end to such a degree that it gets caught up in its own low quality discussion circlejerks more than anything and thus just cannot be owed any credibility because of it as far as I'm concerned. I'll be making my own decisions based on what I see with her in game, the credible analysts people mentioned when I inquired last time, and really just how I'm feeling about it all. I've sat on characters like Raiden and Nahida for months for example before seriously building them, I just kind of play the game how I drat well feel basically and there's a reason I only post about it here because like most things on the internet now its totally insufferable anywhere else.

I wouldnt even loving bother going on twitter for the next month or so if I'm her English VA or limit my account though since certain people seem to be planning on making GBS threads things up to "raise awareness" or whatever the spin on targeted harassment will be. Usually its the VAs they go after.....

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry

Mordiceius posted:

Dumb question - There's no way to do charged shots with a bow without aiming, right?

I mean, I assume that's the case but I was wondering if there was something I have critically missed over the year I've played.

You can't do charge shots with auto-aim, no.

Holding the normal attack button to charge a bow attack will pull you into aiming mode and you'll exit when you release - this is probably less awkward on mouse and keyboard than it is with a controller, because you'll start aiming straight ahead of yourself and a controller needs the same thumb to point the camera somewhere useful that you have on the normal attack button in the first place.

Tuxedo Catfish
Mar 17, 2007

You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.

Endorph posted:

as someone who also makes fun of the leak subreddit for doing that dehya also seems pretty bad. her kit seems like itll only make sense 6 months from now with new artifacts and supports or something. she wont literally turn your computer to ash or anything but she reminds me of candace where im trying to figure out what the design goal even is.

all i can think of "reflect the fact that she's a bodyguard in her mechanics"

no idea why she only intercepts some incoming damage and not all. i guess she's not very good at her job :haw:

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

I feel like there's probably a niche where Dehya will do fine, nothing spectacular, but it will be a mostly off-field role which isnt what I had hoped for her. so I probably won't invest much effort in her, but I will absolutely get her at c0 because that character design is heavenly

the testers never really seemed to give her a chance and just tried to awkwardly mash her into the hypercarry role on a mono pyro team and uh..that wasn't too impressive

MNSNTZR
Oct 13, 2012

Garrand posted:

I'm going to use her with Xinyan. I don't know what the hell team i'm building but

i’m going to replace xinyan with her in my silliest but still somehow personally meaningful potentially rotating meme team: cyno, kaeya and candace

i have yet to devise a way to make this team work but i won’t quit trying

MoonCrab
Nov 19, 2014

A mildly pertubed emoji face

ThePineapple posted:

I'm finally getting around to building my Yae, primarily for an AlHaitham Spread team. Is 4pc Gilded better than Emblem of Severed Fate nowadays on her?

Sure. Fates is better for burst damage, Gilded is better for sustained damage. Gilded is usually more practical for quicken teams, but it's really no big deal if you give her 2x/2x with whatever useful stats she needs.

padijun
Feb 5, 2004

murderbears forever
The funniest sumeru commission is the one where you beat a child in a foot race

Justin_Brett
Oct 23, 2012

GAMERDOME put down LOSER
Bounce on the mushrooms to please Nahida and/or Sandrone, Traveler

sushibandit
Feb 12, 2009

The most annoying sumeru commission has to be a tie between "chase away the weasel thief" or "find and talk to the lost cat".

Sumeru also seems to have more "this is a random daily task that doesn't matter, to complete in a game" feel to the commissions compared to the previous regions, which I'm not really a fan of. Just contrast "chase this floating light" and "hit these dongshrooms" and "jump on mushrooms lel" to "destroy hilichurl towers" or "kill these samurai" or "escort this cargo balloon" or "take a letter from an old father to his busy guardsman son in town" which feel more integrated with the world/setting.

Garrand
Dec 28, 2012

Rhino, you did this to me!

I like to think the aranara are putting in those commissions. They dont understand, but think it's fun

padijun posted:

The funniest sumeru commission is the one where you beat a child in a foot race

https://i.imgur.com/zoymp3v.mp4

pwned

Garrand fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Feb 15, 2023

MoonCrab
Nov 19, 2014

A mildly pertubed emoji face
I don't ever wanna escort a cargo balloon ever again for the rest of my life. Give me those weird "aranara comissions" any day.

Excelzior posted:

I feel like there's probably a niche where Dehya will do fine, nothing spectacular, but it will be a mostly off-field role which isnt what I had hoped for her. so I probably won't invest much effort in her, but I will absolutely get her at c0 because that character design is heavenly

the testers never really seemed to give her a chance and just tried to awkwardly mash her into the hypercarry role on a mono pyro team and uh..that wasn't too impressive

Nah, I gave her like a month of testing, rigging stuff up a bunch of weird stuff across various units to get something similar to what she can do. Learned a lot about what the pyro element can do, and what roles a pyro unit can fill, and what they need to be able to do to fill them, etc. She's just weak and weird. Reminds me a lot of pre-dendro Thoma, actually.

But the range of investment where this sort of thing actually "matters" is pretty small. You can use her if you want, it's not a big deal.

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Descar
Apr 19, 2010

padijun posted:

The funniest sumeru commission is the one where you beat a child in a foot race

you get an achievement for losing it.

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