Blood in the Bosphorus: A Byzantium Paradox Mega-Campaign, Vol. 2

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TheFlyingLlama: Jan 2, 2013; You really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and be a llama?

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# ? Feb 16, 2023 08:41

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# ? May 29, 2024 02:43

idhrendur: Aug 20, 2016

Rubix Squid posted:

Ugh. drat you for making a good point.

Changing my vote to ##Support the Scrappy Firebrand

Ugh ugh ugh. Likewise Changing my vote to ##Support the Scrappy Firebrand.

# ? Feb 16, 2023 09:23

RabidWeasel: Aug 4, 2007; Cultures thrive on their myths and legends...and snuggles!

##Support the Scrappy Firebrand bash fash = good

# ? Feb 16, 2023 10:16

Coward: Sep 10, 2009; _{I say we take off and surrender unconditionally from orbit.

It's the only way to be sure}

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To be honest, I just voted the opposite of what I assumed everyone else would vote for.

Red Rose Pact gang tag when?

# ? Feb 16, 2023 10:51

Shogeton: Apr 26, 2007; "Little by little the old world crumbled, and not once did the king imagine that some of the pieces might fall on him"

I like to imagine that a contested vote like this means that people are going to be screaming at each other throughout the ekllesias.

# ? Feb 16, 2023 11:18

Empress Theonora: Feb 19, 2001; She was a sword glinting in the depths of night, a lance of light piercing the darkness. There would be no mistakes this time.

Shogeton posted:

I like to imagine that a contested vote like this means that people are going to be screaming at each other throughout the ekllesias.

Everyone at the RRP diplomatic conference is having a miserable time. Everyone is shouting over one another, everyone is accusing everyone else of revisionism. The delegates have all smoked their body�s weight in cigarettes. Vriska is there.

# ? Feb 16, 2023 11:24

GunnerJ: Aug 1, 2005; Do you think this is funny?

So wait, do alliances in HOI really work like this: any member can just declare a war unilaterally and drag everyone else into it?

Either way I think

##Support the Scrappy Firebrand

is the more interesting choice but it's so weird that the game will let Marthas could do what people are worried they would do.

# ? Feb 16, 2023 11:38

RabidWeasel: Aug 4, 2007; Cultures thrive on their myths and legends...and snuggles!

GunnerJ posted:

So wait, do alliances in HOI really work like this: any member can just declare a war unilaterally and drag everyone else into it?

Either way I think

##Support the Scrappy Firebrand

is the more interesting choice but it's so weird that the game will let Marthas could do what people are worried they would do.

HoI is World War 2: The Game, not much thought has gone into "what if a non player country decides to do something wacky?"

# ? Feb 16, 2023 11:46

sheep-dodger: Feb 21, 2013

GunnerJ posted:

So wait, do alliances in HOI really work like this: any member can just declare a war unilaterally and drag everyone else into it?

Either way I think

##Support the Scrappy Firebrand

is the more interesting choice but it's so weird that the game will let Marthas could do what people are worried they would do.

Every country always has the option to ignore call to arms by their allies. The AI will pretty much always honour those. The only option would be for Byzantium alone to stay at peace.

# ? Feb 16, 2023 13:02

NewMars: Mar 10, 2013

HOI4 is based around warfare to an extent that other paradox games are not: if the AI has the ability to do something warfare related, it will. Actually, in general, if there is something it can do, it will do it, the only limiting factor being time. It is actively incapable of not taking an offered option, which explains a lot of how odd it acts.

# ? Feb 16, 2023 13:27

AriadneThread: Feb 17, 2011; The Devil sounds like smoke and honey. We cannot move. It is too beautiful.

Empress Theonora posted:

Everyone at the RRP diplomatic conference is having a miserable time. Everyone is shouting over one another, everyone is accusing everyone else of revisionism. The delegates have all smoked their body�s weight in cigarettes. Vriska is there.

perfect

# ? Feb 16, 2023 14:23

Tulip: Jun 3, 2008; yeah thats pretty good

wiegieman posted:

##Support The Charismatic Idealist

Ok I've been convinced. The arc of byzantine history has been that steadfast commitment to ideals has kept us strong and alive, while triangulation has backfired, often bloodily.

# ? Feb 16, 2023 16:09

habeasdorkus: Nov 3, 2013; Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

I had imagined that there'd be some way to keep the entire RRP from getting hauled off into an offensive war against the Allies, or that the Marathas AI wouldn't immediately rush down an idea tree to start a war when they're already in a major one, but apparently that's not possible given the constraints of the game. Which sucks.

I maintain my vote, the fascists must be stopped, but I admit it may end up an error.

# ? Feb 16, 2023 16:38

Morrow: Oct 31, 2010

##Support The Charismatic Idealist

A vote for the Marathas is a vote for a three-way war even larger than the current one.

Morrow fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Feb 16, 2023

# ? Feb 16, 2023 17:01

Luhood: Nov 13, 2012

Shogeton posted:

I like to imagine that a contested vote like this means that people are going to be screaming at each other throughout the ekllesias.

As is basically Byzantine tradition at this point, stemming back from the Storming of the Senate back in the early 1600s if not further back than that.

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# ? Feb 16, 2023 17:14

Tulip: Jun 3, 2008; yeah thats pretty good

Luhood posted:

As is basically Byzantine tradition at this point, stemming back from the Storming of the Senate back in the early 1600s if not further back than that.

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I like to imagine that, just off screen of Alexios, are a bunch of minor nobles and courtiers utterly furious with each other.

# ? Feb 16, 2023 17:36

NeverHelm: Aug 9, 2017; Never attribute to malice that post which is adequately explained by a poor sense of humor.

##Support The Charismatic Idealist

It seems to me that a lot of people are arguing that we need to "bash the fash" ASAP and that Marathas will help with that. That is a probable result of accepting, but I'd like to remind you that they are already helping us with troops on the front lines to a limited extent, without us needing to legitimize this questionably socialist state or risk endangering the entire RRP by getting entangled in the Jimao War (even if only prematurely, should we still desire to intervene). Also, I just can't find myself believing that this is truly an ideological matter; this is in my opinion a purely strategic move on their part. From their perspective, joining the alliance is more about getting the RRP's help in their own conflicts than the other way around. I believe this is an opportunistic move spurred on by the recent Allied advances, where they want more "muscle" for their upcoming campaign. That's why they are only now coming to us for membership, and not at the start of our war when the WRE was at its strongest - they wanted to make sure we would not be a significant burden to them.

Mechanical Note: Depending on how those focuses are designed, they might not actually lead to war immediately - If they just give wargoals, the AI might not declare war right away. They are much more likely to do so if they have a big alliance though. And the AI basically never declines CTA in HOI4, unless it's an offensive war and they are Democratic. I'm not entirely sure how the mod does things though, and it's a pretty old patch by now.

NeverHelm fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Feb 16, 2023

# ? Feb 16, 2023 18:34

420 Gank Mid: Dec 26, 2008; WARNING: This poster is a huge bitch!

NeverHelm posted:

##Support The Charismatic Idealist

It seems to me that a lot of people are arguing that we need to "bash the fash" ASAP and that Marathas will help with that. That is a probable result of accepting, but I'd like to remind you that they are already helping us with troops on the front lines to a limited extent, without us needing to legitimize this questionably socialist state or risk endangering the entire RRP by getting entangled in the Jimao War (even if only prematurely). Also, I just can't find myself believing that this is truly an ideological matter; this is in my opinion a purely strategic move on their part. From their perspective, joining the alliance is more about getting the RRP's help in their own conflicts than the other way around. I believe this is an opportunistic move spurred on by the recent liberal advances, where they want more "muscle". That's why they are only now coming to us for membership, and not at the start of the war when the WRE was at its strongest - they wanted to make sure we would not be a significant burden to them.

There's a big difference between the AI sending a dozen divisions here or there as volunteers and the entire marathas army getting onto a boat and travelling around the horn of africa to reinforce the iberian beachhead which is what the AI does when it joins a war

# ? Feb 16, 2023 18:40

NeverHelm: Aug 9, 2017; Never attribute to malice that post which is adequately explained by a poor sense of humor.

420 Gank Mid posted:

There's a big difference between the AI sending a dozen divisions here or there as volunteers and the entire marathas army getting onto a boat and travelling around the horn of africa to reinforce the iberian beachhead which is what the AI does when it joins a war

Well yeah, that's probably what would happen in game terms, because the AI doesn't think like humans would in their situation and will therefore see no issue sending 95+% of their forces to Europe until they actually start doing those focuses, which could be years away. I wasn't really basing that vote on mechanical considerations though. Besides, I'm not sure how much help that would actually be.

# ? Feb 16, 2023 18:49

Morrow: Oct 31, 2010

You can also add the Marathas to the RRP through conventional game mechanics: if they go to war with China and we've resolved the HRE, they'll be desperate to join any alliance. Comedy option is that their default will be an alliance that their enemy is at war with, so the Marathas may end up joining either the Allies or WPO (with the caveat that they'd leave the alliance immediately after because of the huge relations malus from different ideologies).

# ? Feb 16, 2023 19:05

ThatBasqueGuy: Feb 14, 2013; someone introduce jojo to lazyb

NeverHelm posted:

Well yeah, that's probably what would happen in game terms, because the AI doesn't think like humans would in their situation and will therefore see no issue sending 95+% of their forces to Europe until they actually start doing those focuses, which could be years away. I wasn't really basing that vote on mechanical considerations though. Besides, I'm not sure how much help that would actually be.

I mean we're already chipping at their armor/shores from half a dozen places, having another major doing that or helping to push out the current ones could lead to some relatively fast breakthroughs

# ? Feb 16, 2023 19:19

ZiegeDame: Aug 21, 2005; YUKIMURAAAA!

How long would it actually take to get an entire army from India to France, anyway?

# ? Feb 16, 2023 19:31

NewMars: Mar 10, 2013

ZiegeDame posted:

How long would it actually take to get an entire army from India to France, anyway?

Depends on if the Suez is open for us or not.

# ? Feb 16, 2023 20:55

MatchaZed: Feb 14, 2010; We Can Do It!

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# ? Feb 16, 2023 21:11

SirPhoebos: Dec 10, 2007; WELL THAT JUST HAPPENED!

Aren't we seeing some weirdness with current RRP member Nova Scotia not deploying troops? (it's been explained narratively, sure, but it's still the AI having a brainfart)

# ? Feb 16, 2023 21:30

stumblebum: May 8, 2022; no, what you want to do is get somebody mad enough to give you a red title you're proud of

Tulip posted:

I haven't voted because I'm not actually sure which one is more dramatic

The most dramatic outcome would be an honest-to-god tie.

# ? Feb 16, 2023 22:28

Tulip: Jun 3, 2008; yeah thats pretty good

stumblebum posted:

The most dramatic outcome would be an honest-to-god tie.

you know what that means?

That's right, byzantine civil war in the middle of world war

# ? Feb 16, 2023 23:19

Empress Theonora: Feb 19, 2001; She was a sword glinting in the depths of night, a lance of light piercing the darkness. There would be no mistakes this time.

In the event of a tie, I will cast a tie-breaking vote on the basis that I�m the one who had to play out whatever we decide. :v:

# ? Feb 16, 2023 23:37

paragon1: Nov 22, 2010; FULL COMMUNISM NOW

Empress Theonora posted:

In the event of a tie, I will cast a tie-breaking vote on the basis that I�m the one who had to play out whatever we decide.

Tyrrany!

# ? Feb 16, 2023 23:45

Yuiiut: Jul 3, 2022; I've got something to tell you. Something that may shock and discredit you. And that thing is as follows: I'm not wearing a tie at all.

paragon1 posted:

Tyrrany!

If the tiebreaker vote is cast for us to welcome the M�llerists to the alliance it's the shadow of dictatorship growing the the Red Rose Pact. If it's cast against them joining it's a blinkered act of hypocrisy overruling our democratic traditions. Either way, what's needed is clear: a new party that splits from the revisionist to preserve the true revolutionary spirit.

Did the Second Council of Lyon happen in this timeline? Locking the delegates in conference until they come to a decision may be pretty appealing to some. In this case, however, a decision is known to be reached when the cigarette smoke stops billowing out the airducts.

# ? Feb 17, 2023 00:17

TheMaskedReader: Aug 14, 2022

NeverHelm posted:

##Support The Charismatic Idealist

It seems to me that a lot of people are arguing that we need to "bash the fash" ASAP and that Marathas will help with that. That is a probable result of accepting, but I'd like to remind you that they are already helping us with troops on the front lines to a limited extent, without us needing to legitimize this questionably socialist state or risk endangering the entire RRP by getting entangled in the Jimao War (even if only prematurely, should we still desire to intervene). Also, I just can't find myself believing that this is truly an ideological matter; this is in my opinion a purely strategic move on their part. From their perspective, joining the alliance is more about getting the RRP's help in their own conflicts than the other way around. I believe this is an opportunistic move spurred on by the recent Allied advances, where they want more "muscle" for their upcoming campaign. That's why they are only now coming to us for membership, and not at the start of our war when the WRE was at its strongest - they wanted to make sure we would not be a significant burden to them.

Mechanical Note: Depending on how those focuses are designed, they might not actually lead to war immediately - If they just give wargoals, the AI might not declare war right away. They are much more likely to do so if they have a big alliance though. And the AI basically never declines CTA in HOI4, unless it's an offensive war and they are Democratic. I'm not entirely sure how the mod does things though, and it's a pretty old patch by now.

Except that as I pointed out, if they get entangled with the Jimao war, they will then pull back their volunteers. Immediately. Would you like to see what the frontlines look like after all of their units disengage, without their reinforcements pouring in from their new alliance with us? It may be a strategic move on their part, but it would be strategic folly on ours to allow that to happen.

# ? Feb 17, 2023 00:25

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##Support the Scrappy Firebrand

maybe the campaign ends with a Chaos Dunk instead of a simple victory lap, either way it'll be entertaining

# ? Feb 17, 2023 00:26

punched my v-card at camp: Sep 4, 2008; Broken and smokin' where the infrared deer plunge in the digital snake

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Marathas has bled for the pact, they are our comrades

# ? Feb 17, 2023 00:40

Livewire42: Oct 2, 2013

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# ? Feb 17, 2023 00:42

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NeverHelm posted:

I wasn't really basing that vote on mechanical considerations though. Besides, I'm not sure how much help that would actually be.

Seems kinda like you want to have it both ways but if you are talking mechanically it will make a tremendous change in our favor if they join outright vs just sending divisions via volunteer because not only do we get a much larger chunk of their army but also they can instantly send fleets and airwings out to Europe to reinforce us even before the new boots hit the ground

Purely in setting then its just more friends to bash more fash faster

# ? Feb 17, 2023 01:04

mcclay: Jul 8, 2013; Oh dear oh gosh oh darn; Soiled Meat

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Gaslight. Gatekeep. Girlboss

# ? Feb 17, 2023 09:25

Josef bugman: Nov 17, 2011; Pictured: Poster prepares to celebrate Holy Communion (probablY)

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We're going to be dragged into another hell war and goons are going to be sad about "awhhh why don't our LPs ever end well".

Ofc if this doesn't happen I will happily eat crow.

Josef bugman fucked around with this message at 09:59 on Feb 17, 2023

# ? Feb 17, 2023 09:45

Freudian: Mar 23, 2011

Josef bugman posted:

We're going to be dragged into another hell war and goons are going to be sad about "awhhh why don't our LPs ever end well".

Ofc if this doesn't happen I will happily eat crow.

Please don't eat crows, that's murder

# ? Feb 17, 2023 10:00

Slightly Lions: Apr 13, 2009; Look what I can do!

## Support the Scrappy Firebrand

We need to end the war ASAP, and war with one or both of the Allies or the WPO is basically inevitable; the world's not big enough for all of us. If we accept the Marathi then it may happen sooner than we want. It might not. There's no way to know. But what we do know is that thousands of Marathi volunteers have already bled out in the Hungarian soil so that the very people now debating can look down their noses at them in the safety of a Byzantine ekellesia. Because you think they aren't good enough, they're too "Mullerist", forgetting that the Commune and the RRP has always been in bed with Mullerists all the way back to actual Muller. We've spent most of the Commune's history in hip-deep alliance with liberals and monarchies, for Marx's sake. This isn't ideological purity you're grandstanding on, it's Byzantine chauvanism, and chauvanism doesn't look any better on us than it does on Valeria. If you want to deny Marathas, don't do it by sending a telegram to Sharqi: go to Debrecen and tell the Marathi volunteers that their sacrifice wasn't good enough, I dare you.

# ? Feb 17, 2023 16:53

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# ? May 29, 2024 02:43

ZiegeDame: Aug 21, 2005; YUKIMURAAAA!

Hypothetically speaking, if we beat the Fascists quickly, and then hop into the Jimao war on the side of the Allies before the Marathi AI takes the Against Liberalism choices, will this prevent the AI from being able to declare war on the Allies? At least until after the Jimao war is concluded?

# ? Feb 17, 2023 17:02

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