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Lieutenant Centaur posted:Played against that Simic Poison deck in standard. It's not "good" i dont think, but if you can assemble the pieces (sticking a Venerated Rotpriest and an Ivy or a Stormchaser Drake and some protection spells) you can just go off, chain spells, and absolutely murder your opponent out of nowhere. It's a lot of fun
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Feb 16, 2023 00:15
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Venuz Patrol posted:you could change any one thing about venerated rotpriest and i think it would at least theoretically be balanced, like changing it to only spell effects you control, or limiting the trigger to only the rotpriest and not all your creatures, or removing the toxic 1 keyword, or changing the stat line to 1/1, or changing the cost to 1G, but it absolutely blows my mind that the designers thought all of the things it does were appropriate for a 1 cost creature This has been MTG's problem for a while, they print cards that are insanely busted that they could cut 1 thing from and they'd still be awesome. Questing Beast is another example off the top of my head
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Feb 16, 2023 00:19
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Mike N Eich posted:It's not "good" i dont think, but if you can assemble the pieces (sticking a Venerated Rotpriest and an Ivy or a Stormchaser Drake and some protection spells) you can just go off, chain spells, and absolutely murder your opponent out of nowhere. Yeah, this is what happened. I was futzing around with Mono White and while I could block for days any of my spot removal either just gave me a poison counter or they had one mana cantrips like shore up, slip out the back and the green one to protect their stuff and end up giving me a 2nd poison counter from them protecting it. Even with depopulate or farewell they could phase out or use a counter which gave me a poison. It was maddening haha
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Feb 16, 2023 01:21
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Venuz Patrol posted:you could change any one thing about venerated rotpriest and i think it would at least theoretically be balanced, like changing it to only spell effects you control, or limiting the trigger to only the rotpriest and not all your creatures, or removing the toxic 1 keyword, or changing the stat line to 1/1, or changing the cost to 1G, but it absolutely blows my mind that the designers thought all of the things it does were appropriate for a 1 cost creature Or just only let it trigger once a turn like they've been putting on just about every other triggered ability.
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Feb 16, 2023 01:33
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The rotpriest deck is what runes used to be. It loses against everything on an average draw. And wins without allowing interaction or thought on a good draw. And only avoids hate cards because it never reaches 50% winrate even without hate meta. Making people who lose against it extra annoyed. Seems like wizards has decided that that should be a regular archetype.
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Feb 16, 2023 02:02
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:So apparently there's an honest to god actual pro tour this weekend? This post is the first I am hearing about it, organized play is going great.
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Feb 16, 2023 02:18
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They could throw the matches on twitch with a reward deal for viewers to get arena cards or packs in-game if they wanted people to watch or know about it.
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Feb 16, 2023 02:38
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Lieutenant Centaur posted:Played against that Simic Poison deck in standard. This set is a despicable joke in terms of design. This might actually be the one that gets me to quit magic.
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Feb 16, 2023 03:52
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Or just only let it trigger once a turn like they've been putting on just about every other triggered ability. This sucks rear end every time they do it and makes the cards unplayable in eternal format for no reason whatsoever
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Feb 16, 2023 04:29
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mcmagic posted:This set is a despicable joke in terms of design. This might actually be the one that gets me to quit magic. Bye
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Feb 16, 2023 04:37
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Tism the Dragon Tickler posted:This sucks rear end every time they do it and makes the cards unplayable in eternal format for no reason whatsoever Nah, Commander is an eternal format
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Feb 16, 2023 04:42
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Transplant the "once per turn" clause from the legendary Vampire with the blood artist effect onto rotpriest and now both cards are fixed
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Lieutenant Centaur posted:Yeah, this is what happened. I was futzing around with Mono White and while I could block for days any of my spot removal either just gave me a poison counter or they had one mana cantrips like shore up, slip out the back and the green one to protect their stuff and end up giving me a 2nd poison counter from them protecting it. My favorite is that blue pitch spell that phases things out, because they'll absolutely pile trigger after trigger after trigger on the stack and then just whoops phase out their whole side and not only are you down a card, you're also now up like six poison triggers because lol you thought you could interact with this deck. And just for good measure, we'll counter your boardwipe and Proliferate that last Poison counter on you. Whoops! I mean, I know the deck loses; I've beaten it while playing a few different decks against it. It's just obnoxious if they can get both an Ivy and a Rotpriest to stick. Or two Rotpriests.
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Jabor posted:try playing two removal spells rickiep00h posted:I mean, I know the deck loses; I've beaten it while playing a few different decks against it. 
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Tism the Dragon Tickler posted:This sucks rear end every time they do it and makes the cards unplayable in eternal format for no reason whatsoever The last time they made a set of cards finally good enough for eternal everyone said it broke magic. Kind of an inherently problem with a format that only cares about the most broken and efficient cards from across all sets.
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Feb 16, 2023 05:32
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Charity Porno posted:Nah, Commander is an eternal format And having cards be bad in it for no reason sucks, yeah.
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Feb 16, 2023 05:46
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Anyone got any videos of the deck doing its thing, or in opposition? All this bitching has me curious now.
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Anyone got any videos of the deck doing its thing, or in opposition? All this bitching has me curious now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3olrRDJxtE
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Anyone got any videos of the deck doing its thing, or in opposition? All this bitching has me curious now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnvl4biJbg8 here's what i would consider the best version of the deck. the phasing/bounce effects make it nearly impossible to cut short the combo once it's rolling, it might as well be a two/three turn time limit as soon as the first rotpriest shows up.
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Charity Porno posted:This has been MTG's problem for a while, they print cards that are insanely busted that they could cut 1 thing from and they'd still be awesome. Questing Beast is another example off the top of my head Questing beast was maybe not even a top 10 card in that set and was kinda middling at best even with all the text on it. The thing it was best at was killing people with embercleave attached and it wasn't even the best at that while it was in standard. Sometimes creatures do in fact need a lot of words to make them playable at higher mana costs unless they have some kind of built in protection.
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Tism the Dragon Tickler posted:This sucks rear end every time they do it and makes the cards unplayable in eternal format for no reason whatsoever I'd appreciate a slow down of cards into eternal formats tbh
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I think it would be neat for Modern Burn to get a new card, but it's hard for me to imagine what that card would look like.
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Serf posted:I think it would be neat for Modern Burn to get a new card, but it's hard for me to imagine what that card would look like. Even Hotter {R} Enchantment Whenever a source you control deals non-combat damage to an opponent, instead deal that much damage plus two. Damage dealt in this way can’t be prevented.
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Venuz Patrol posted:you could change any one thing about venerated rotpriest and i think it would at least theoretically be balanced, like changing it to only spell effects you control, or limiting the trigger to only the rotpriest and not all your creatures, or removing the toxic 1 keyword, or changing the stat line to 1/1, or changing the cost to 1G, but it absolutely blows my mind that the designers thought all of the things it does were appropriate for a 1 cost creature Having it on cast spell target rather than on spell target would depower it a lot as it would remove the synergy with Ivy and other spell copiers.
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Yeah, cards should pretty much only go into eternal formats by accident. Every time WotC decides to print stuff aimed at eternal formats they miss the mark, and if we're lucky, its just not strong enough. Eternal is just for R&D's mistakes, so its OK if not every set has something that gets played in an eternal format other than commander.
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Arivia posted:Even Hotter {R} That seems crazy strong for just 1 mana. 
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Tism the Dragon Tickler posted:This sucks rear end every time they do it and makes the cards unplayable in eternal format for no reason whatsoever Yeah, but they've been shoving it everywhere and it's just weird that they didn't on a effect that probably needed it. Vvv you seem to not be alone in that. She's jumped from $8 to $40 in the last three days. Macdeo Lurjtux fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Feb 16, 2023 |
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Yeah, but they've been shoving it everywhere and it's just weird that they didn't on a effect that probably needed it. I’m not so sure if it needs it tbh, it’s don’t think any of the Rot Priest Decks I’ve seen in any format have been particularly alarming, but I guess it’s still early. Imo Atraxa is going to shake out to be the card with the most impact across multiple formats.
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A Moose posted:Yeah, cards should pretty much only go into eternal formats by accident. Every time WotC decides to print stuff aimed at eternal formats they miss the mark, and if we're lucky, its just not strong enough. Eternal is just for R&D's mistakes, so its OK if not every set has something that gets played in an eternal format other than commander. This is my opinion on both Vintage/Legacy, where strong busted poo poo lives, and Commander, where weird niche stuff lives. Designing FOR those formats seems to be missing the intent of those formats to me.
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rickiep00h posted:This is my opinion on both Vintage/Legacy, where strong busted poo poo lives, and Commander, where weird niche stuff lives. Designing FOR those formats seems to be missing the intent of those formats to me. I think this is a fair perspective, but imo a lot of the cards designed specifically for commander are some of the most fun to play with.
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:So apparently there's an honest to god actual pro tour this weekend? It's a side event to their commander weekend or whatever.
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fadam posted:I think this is a fair perspective, but imo a lot of the cards designed specifically for commander are some of the most fun to play with. I like the facilitators like lands and fixing mana rocks, but beyond that I'm very much in the take-or-leave camp, especially when it comes to making a billion commanders. I like the format well enough, I just don't think it needs to be constantly pushed when there are tons of normally-released cards a year already.
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The Poison Ivy deck can bust out some sudden wins and can be a shock if you aren't familiar with how Ivy or Rotpriest work. The weaknesses of the deck are that it needs several pieces to really take off (Rotpriest, Ivy, March of Swirling Mists) and there isn't a lot of options in standard for searching your deck for them. Most of the games I lost when playing this were due to not drawing the creatures I needed or getting slammed with boardwipe after boardwipe.
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I think this reanimator deck would have some serious legs in Standard if it wasn't in the same format as Graveyard Trespasser.
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fadam posted:I think this reanimator deck would have some serious legs in Standard if it wasn't in the same format as Graveyard Trespasser. Even without graveyard trespasser if gy decks get too prevalent people will start running hearse.
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Scrapgorger I could see gaining some ground too. A little expensive for a mana dork, but cheap for GY hate and the GY hate triggering whether he taps to attack or fix is pretty big.
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Framboise posted:That seems crazy strong for just 1 mana. That was the joke, yes.
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