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I've real-deal bonked once - it's very different than the feeling of being very fatigued/hungry. Legs tingled, headache, and a complete inability to turn the pedals over. Would not recommend; one star.
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Slavvy posted:Ok now I get it, that looks pretty worthwhile  amenenema posted:I've real-deal bonked once - it's very different than the feeling of being very fatigued/hungry. Legs tingled, headache, and a complete inability to turn the pedals over. Would not recommend; one star.
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Feb 17, 2023 16:38
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I’m sure I’ve mentioned it but I saw a guy completely blow up on a gravel race. He was in front of me, absolutely dying as I was catching him, and he stopped pedaling and just fell over. Couldn’t turn the cranks at all, couldn’t even unclip. Body was just done.
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Feb 17, 2023 16:41
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It definitely wasn't a bonk, yeah. I'm out of shape but by the sounds of it I'd have to work super hard to get to that point. This morning I woke up late and had breakfast much closer to my ride than yesterday, not feeling quite as terrible and that seems to match up with what I've been reading here. Alas, no rides in the next few days. We're plummeting down to -20C for a good chunk of next week if the forecast is to be believed and I'm just not ready to ride in that.
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Feb 17, 2023 17:58
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wooger posted:Or just dump 100g of sugar in your drinks bottles, will work fine too. I've been doing 40g per bottle since the beginning of winter and it has been a game changer for those longer endurance rides. Otherwise, I'm not great at eating on the bike until it's too late.
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Feb 17, 2023 19:02
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I once bonked at the very end of a gravel race. Started feeling woozy, actually lost the ability to focus on some pretty treacherous tractor paths between sections and mooched a Nunn tab and took it slow the last 5k. I managed the climb at the end of the thing somehow and then spent the next 20 minutes sitting on the ground feeling shaky and dizzy while people brought me emergency birthday cake and gatorade. EDIT: as for only eating 'real food' on a long ride for the love of Christ don't stop for sweet potato fries half way through a long ride on a hot day if you aren't going to give yourself time to digest it some. EvilJoven fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Feb 17, 2023 |
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Feb 17, 2023 19:41
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Any FoCco riders around? I'll be in town for lunch tomorrow and wouldn't mind picking some locals' brains.EvilJoven posted:EDIT: as for only eating 'real food' on a long ride for the love of Christ don't stop for sweet potato fries half way through a long ride on a hot day if you aren't going to give yourself time to digest it some.
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Feb 17, 2023 20:24
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pulling handfuls of greasy moz out of my jersey pocket and shoveling it into my face
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Feb 17, 2023 20:59
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:pulling handfuls of greasy moz out of my jersey pocket and shoveling it into my face  national team secrets
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Feb 17, 2023 22:35
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Welp guess I'm walking home because I'm a moron. There's bike repair stations around campus, and my tires needed a bit of a pump. I dunno if I'm just completely stupid or if there was something fucky about the pump itself, but the nozzle wouldn't clamp on, and my stupid rear end didn't notice that all I was doing was pressing down on the valve and letting all the air out. I guess it's fine that this is happening now, considering that riding conditions next week are not at all ideal, so the bike can just hang out at work (I get a sekrit room to keep it safe in) until the weather clears and I can take a pump to it in a less stupid fashion. Jesus it's a wonder I didn't put my pants on my head this morning.
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Feb 18, 2023 00:41
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Those pumps that are left outdoors often seem to not work at all, dunno if due to weather being harsh on the valves or just getting mistreated. It's generally a good Idea to carry a small pump on your bike to avoid having to trudge home in case of a flat.
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Feb 18, 2023 00:49
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DIY bike repair stations are a great place to hang your bike and use your own tools because the hex keys are all going to be rounded the pump is going to be broken the phillips head is going to have a chip in one of the blades and the cone wrenches are all going to be mangled. That's when the tools are still there because a bike thief with bolt cutters hasn't stolen them all yet.
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EvilJoven posted:DIY bike repair stations are a great place to hang your bike and use your own tools because the hex keys are all going to be rounded the pump is going to be broken the phillips head is going to have a chip in one of the blades and the cone wrenches are all going to be mangled. The first and only time I've seen one of those stations in good condition was in Lake Tahoe, on a bike path next to a bunch of multi million dollar homes. Every one I've seen around here has been a medusa of frayed steel cables.
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Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:There’s no chance you’re bonking on a 20 minute ride. Low blood sugar, sure, but if you actually bonked on a 20 minute rides it because you just finished a 15 mile run without any calories before hopping on the bike
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Feb 18, 2023 10:57
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evil_bunnY posted:Dude I've seen people get dizzy and lightheaded from half that when they finally get off the couch. Prob not a full on bonk, but you can easily deplete yourself if you don't prepare. I don't know if people are confusing overexertion, lack of fitness, dehydration or whatever with bonking, but it generally takes me 2.5+ hours to bonk while riding at tempo in a fasted state. For me the first sign of bonking is hunger pangs, followed by the liver eating itself. After that, pedaling becomes quite hard. I don't think I have ever gotten to the point of dizziness or brain fog because that's long after my legs stop working. Makes sense to me since the body uses glycogen from the muscles, liver and then brain in that order. TobinHatesYou fucked around with this message at 12:26 on Feb 18, 2023 |
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Feb 18, 2023 12:17
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TobinHatesYou posted:I don't know if people are confusing overexertion, lack of fitness, dehydration or whatever with bonking, but it generally takes me 2.5+ hours to bonk while riding at tempo in a fasted state. When I started road-riding in the netherlands I could totally bonk myself in under half an hour. Now it takes conscious effort and over an hour of riding.
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Feb 18, 2023 12:25
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evil_bunnY posted:I'm probably guilty of this. As LLH mentioned, this is highly improbable.
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evil_bunnY posted:Dude I've seen people get dizzy and lightheaded from half that when they finally get off the couch. Prob not a full on bonk, but you can easily deplete yourself if you don't prepare. No one is able to exhaust their glycogen energy reserves in “half of 20 minutes”, and certainly not without having fasted for 24 hours beforehand or something. And it’s less likely if you’re untrained and not putting out big power. Bad pacing for your ability and blowing up your cardiovascular system is what it is.
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Feb 18, 2023 12:36
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wooger posted:No one is able to exhaust their glycogen energy reserves in “half of 20 minutes”, and certainly not without having fasted for 24 hours beforehand or something. Thank you. Also very confused by the posters here that refuse to see their caloric needs as strictly clinical and want their bike food to be “real food!?”
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Feb 18, 2023 14:49
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i think most people who are doing sports for fun just generally use bonking out as a term when you're super hungry and tired and need a 5 minute break to eat a snack bar, not some athletes definition of hitting a wall and being completetely unable to continue.
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hemale in pain posted:i think most people who are doing sports for fun just generally use bonking out as a term when you're super hungry and tired and need a 5 minute break to eat a snack bar, not some athletes definition of hitting a wall and being completetely unable to continue. This. "Bonk" is the new "literally".
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wooger posted:Bad pacing for your ability and blowing up your cardiovascular system is what it is.
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Residency Evil posted:Thank you. It's because of a few things, not the least of which is that many of us are not competitors, which is who gels and that kind of thing are marketed toward. Since I'm not an athlete, the idea of slurping down an envelope of sweet goo is weird; it's the kind of thing that belongs to a world I'm not part of. On the other hand, I do have experience with and enjoy food, and since I'm not racing, the idea of having an apple, banana, or Uncrustable is more pleasant than squeezing a fistful of syrup down my throat and calling it lunch. And not for nothing, but consuming liquid glucose will have a different impact on your body if you're a casual weekend warrior (which is what I consider myself) than if you're an athlete. The one thing that's helped me the most with regard to nutrition during a ride in which I'm stretching my limits is remembering that carbs are good for you. I lost about 130 pounds by limiting my calories and following a diabetic diet. And no, it wasn't what people would call a low- or no-carb diet like Adkins or Keto, but it did limit simple carbohydrates. So, for me in particular, eating gels just seems like a totally alien concept.
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Exactly. The rides I mentioned above were go at my own pace casual get the mileage in fun rides. I could stop and enjoy without any issues. And the idea of paying the prices they ask for gels was terrible. And having driven it last night, Highway 34 west of Loveland seems like a challenging but do-able ride once I get trained up. Although the altitude is killer when I currently live at 1200'. Loveland is 5k and Estes is around 7500. Would just take training and acclimation.
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Yeah, I'll use gels when I'm racing because it's convenient, reliable nutrition but even then I'm mostly doing long course triathlon so I try to get some proper food in on the bike because it's nice to feel full of solids rather than goop and it's much harder to eat a sausage roll while running.
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I need new wheels for my commuter and I don’t want to spend much. Are all the sub £200 wheel sets pretty much the same or is there anything in particular I should look for?
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Pantsmaster Bill posted:I need new wheels for my commuter and I don’t want to spend much. Are all the sub £200 wheel sets pretty much the same or is there anything in particular I should look for? Hubs that don't fall apart in the wet should be your main concern, You should be able to find Shimano RS300 (rim) under £200. The RS370 for disc brakes might be slightly over. If you can get cycle to work discount most schemes will allow you to buy just wheels which will give you a bit more to spend.
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For races I just crank gels and shot blocks and drink mix with calories in it. Even for 10 hours at a 100mi mtb race last year that was about all i had. Maybe part of a lara bar, some chips, some gummy bears. But for normal riding it's mostly bars, candy, pastries, honey waffles. I generally stick to larabars, the nature's bakery fig newtons, pb and banana clif bars, and kind bars if it's not too warm.
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Spam musubi owns for ride snax
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I always have trouble digesting bars. Honey or maple waffles are good. But, I tend to just pack a PB&J on white bread and/or buy Doritos. 
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Yeep posted:Hubs that don't fall apart in the wet should be your main concern, You should be able to find Shimano RS300 (rim) under £200. The RS370 for disc brakes might be slightly over. 2nd this: know what make & model of hub you’re getting - even just being able to find that out will make it more likely that it’s serviceable. For an affordable brand name; I hear that Miche Primato hubs are bulletproof and have excellent seals for all weather usage. But Shimano anything is great too. I just bought a set of Hope 20five wheels (disc) lightly used, for £200 for the same use case - the rear hub alone retails for more than that. There are lots of deals out there used, and if you’re on rim brake you can find people just giving away mid to low end wheels.
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Residency Evil posted:Thank you. Do you eat gels and poo poo full time even when you're not on the bike? Why not, after all it meets your caloric needs just as well as a sandwich. I'm not racing anyone, I'm not shaving my bike to the last gram or optimizing my clothing aero for maximum performance, why would I want to eat gross astronaut food?
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When you're exercising your digestive system is not working up to the standards you'd find post regular meals, one of the worst food experiences of my life was eating a sausage and egg sandwich midway through a 100 mile ride. On the flipside, it's very possible to eat "normal" food on rides and I think maybe people are getting confused over the type of riding you need to specifically fuel for and the type of riding where you are just chilling and a sandwich will perk you up even if you're not getting the full whack of energy on the bike.
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Slavvy posted:Do you eat gels and poo poo full time even when you're not on the bike? Why not, after all it meets your caloric needs just as well as a sandwich. I don't think either of you should give a poo poo about what the other eats, but to be fair you started this derail by saying that ability to carry sufficient nutrition was a limiter for you. I don't think you need to get quite so salty about people explaining how, for them, they avoid that being a limiter.
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Vando posted:When you're exercising your digestive system is not working up to the standards you'd find post regular meals, one of the worst food experiences of my life was eating a sausage and egg sandwich midway through a 100 mile ride. When I was twelve I fueled a 200mi ride with many, many gas station corn dogs and jojos. My dad knew how dumb it was but he let me learn for myself, and boy, did I. Gave new meaning to the phrase "gutting it out".
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I don't eat gels or cliff bars anymore because my goals shifted from trying to ride a 2 minute mile to trying to avoid injuries and not getting a middle age beer gut. Nothing works as well as gels in my experience, but you sorta have to align your biking to your overall goals and metabolically what doctor is going to tell you to eat 5 grams of glucose syrup and caffeine powder as part of your balanced moderate exercise program.
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Slavvy posted:Do you eat gels and poo poo full time even when you're not on the bike? Why not, after all it meets your caloric needs just as well as a sandwich. You’re being dense on purpose. Just pack a PBJ and not a steak sandwich or whatever.
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I do enjoy some Huel on occasion. It's a sipping meal.
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