[Asia/Oceania] Yellen says she hopes China wont mount retaliation against any steps Washington takes

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genericnick: Dec 26, 2012

Some Guy TT posted:

https://twitter.com/MareikeOhlberg/status/1626629816782041091

What's the specific worry here? I see a long list of things that could make annoying, but "worry"?

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genericnick: Dec 26, 2012

KomradeX posted:

Rich people are the only type of people our government sees as fully human so Congress giving out money to write about the plight of the poor investment bankers fits

Yeah, I'd say the specific definition of freedom we use just means "can buy yourself out of consequences"

# ? Feb 18, 2023 14:02

Orange Devil: Oct 1, 2010; Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Wang Yi going in:

https://nos.nl/l/2464309

Can't find a video with English subtitles

Orange Devil has issued a correction as of 14:26 on Feb 18, 2023

# ? Feb 18, 2023 14:24

Cerebral Bore: Apr 21, 2010; Fun Shoe

Palladium posted:

lol why the gently caress would china want to spy at UK police stations

and besides that, closed-circuit cameras would by definition not broadcast what they record to external parties, or if they did it would be trivial to detect

# ? Feb 18, 2023 14:25

ro5s: Dec 27, 2012; A happy little mouse!

how could someone from the idiot nation of self obsessed curtain twitchers say something stupid?!

# ? Feb 18, 2023 14:35

genericnick: Dec 26, 2012

Cerebral Bore posted:

and besides that, closed-circuit cameras would by definition not broadcast what they record to external parties, or if they did it would be trivial to detect

Wait, is that where "closed-circuit" comes from? Don't worry, it's closed basically no one except the cops and their friends gets to watch your tapes.

# ? Feb 18, 2023 14:43

Cerebral Bore: Apr 21, 2010; Fun Shoe

genericnick posted:

Wait, is that where "closed-circuit" comes from? Don't worry, it's closed basically no one except the cops and their friends gets to watch your tapes.

yea, the whole idea is that the cameras broadcast the signal only to specific places

# ? Feb 18, 2023 14:45

Comrade Koba: Jul 2, 2007

New York Times posted:

Bao Fan, a renowned investment banker in China, has disappeared and is unreachable, raising ~~concerns~~ hopes that Beijing�s crackdown on the country�s business elite is continuing.

# ? Feb 18, 2023 14:47

Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

Trying to imagine the type of person who thinks 'business elite' should elicit sympathy

# ? Feb 18, 2023 14:53

Kassad: Nov 12, 2005; It's about time.

mawarannahr posted:

the labor party promises that the pervasive domestic surveillance network isn't going to be built by the spying Chinese 👍
https://twitter.com/benedictrogers/status/1626893424107433984

That's one hell of a load-bearing "if"

# ? Feb 18, 2023 17:05

Oglethorpe: Aug 8, 2005

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrxAXbWBwS0

# ? Feb 18, 2023 17:12

ikanreed: Sep 25, 2009; I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

Oglethorpe posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrxAXbWBwS0

I don't think I've got the fortitude to watch a ten minute video from the heritage foundation. Got a summary?

# ? Feb 18, 2023 17:20

Oglethorpe: Aug 8, 2005

ikanreed posted:

I don't think I've got the fortitude to watch a ten minute video from the heritage foundation. Got a summary?

Intel Slava Z posted:

🇺🇸 🇨🇳 🇺🇦 Elbridge Colby:
This speech from Josh Hawley on the threat from China to Taiwan and our interests at Heritage is the kind of bracing, clear-eyed realism we need - and the American people deserve. Kevin Roberts TX.

Some key excerpts.

⬛️ "Lawmakers and experts have claimed an invasion of Taiwan simply won�t happen�or if it does, that we can prevail...They prefer to tell a familiar and comforting story...They want us to believe that our military might is infinite, that American power faces no real constraints."

⬛️ "They want us to believe we can fight an endless proxy war in Ukraine. And somehow, this won�t impact our ability to deter China from invading Taiwan...This story is told both by neoconservatives on the right, and liberal globalists on the left."

⬛️ "But today, I want to tell you something else. I want to tell the truth. And the truth is that...our current foreign policy isn�t working."

⬛️ "None of that is enough. Because we�re simply overcommitted, caught in the grip of an ideology of liberal empire...We have a lot of military power on our side. But it isn�t deployed where it should be, and the world is about to face the consequences."

⬛️ "So let me share another truth: As things stand right now, if China invades Taiwan in the next few years, they will likely prevail.

I will say it again.

We stand at an inflection point today. And it is time for a real change."

⬛️ "In the real world we have limited military resources. The CCP sees that if we're tied up in Ukraine, we can�t use [our resources] on a Taiwan invasion. Napoleon said, If you want to take Vienna take Vienna. China wants control of the Indo-Pacific and we must stop them there."

⬛️ "That�s not the core problem, though. The core problem is that our actions in Ukraine are directly affecting our ability to project force elsewhere. Specifically, to deter China in the Pacific."

⬛️ "For starters, the more U.S. resources we devote to Europe, the fewer we have available in the Pacific. For some things, like heavy armor units, that may not matter much. But it matters a lot for the capabilities we need to deter China from invading Taiwan."

⬛️ "Both Ukraine and Taiwan require many of the same weapons, including things like Javelin and Stinger missiles. And our industrial base is strapped for capacity. That�s because we need to draw on many of the same suppliers for the defense of both Ukraine and Taiwan."

⬛️ "We�re doing our best to increase production, but that will take years. All of this means that when we pour our military power into Ukraine, that decision comes at a cost."

⬛️ "As a result, we cannot meet Ukrainian, Taiwanese, and our own military requirements all at the same time, for the foreseeable future.

In other words, we can�t do everything."

⬛️ "China is now positioned to strike with overwhelming force and seize Taiwan...So what happens, if we wake up tomorrow and an invasion has begun? What can America do about it?

Once again, let�s assess our strategic position�this time in the Pacific."

⬛️ "Well, we�ve got plenty of aircraft. But they�re concentrated at a small number of air bases, which makes them easy targets. And China has invested in weapons and sensors that we haven�t fielded, undercutting our air power advantage."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrxAXbWBwS0

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Intel Slava Z posted:

🇺🇸 🇨🇳 🇺🇦 Senator Josh Hawley �China and Ukraine: A Time for Truth.� PT2:

⬛️ "We have carrier strike groups. But it�s not clear how they�ll help us defeat a Chinese invasion. China has built up defenses designed to neutralize them early in a fight, or keep them so far away they won�t be useful."

⬛️ "We do have an undersea advantage. But we�ve only got so many submarines, we�ve only got so many torpedoes and other weapons to fire from them, and we�ve only got so many places to reload or refit them. Those are hard limits."

⬛️ "We�re also at risk in Guam. Guam isn�t well defended against China�s missiles. And I haven�t even mentioned China�s nuclear arsenal. Meanwhile, our own military space architecture is dangerously vulnerable, and our logistics forces are already overstretched."

⬛️ "So let�s suppose the worst happens. Suppose China invades and seizes Taiwan. We try to stop it, but our forces are defeated and the island is lost.

What would that mean?"

⬛️ "Americans will confront a terrifying reality. The price hikes ve seen in recent years will pale in comparison. Product shortages will be commonplace�shortages of everything from basic medicine to consumer electronics. But the economic consequences are just the start."

⬛️ "As Asia�s new reigning power, China could restrict U.S. trade in the region�perhaps block it altogether. Maybe we�ll be allowed in, but only on terms favorable to China.

China exploited the trade system once before. They can do it again."

⬛️ "Imagine a world where Chinese warships patrol Hawaiian waters and the West Coast. A world where the PLA has military bases in Latin America. A world where Chinese forces operate freely in the Gulf of Mexico. This is a dark future. And an increasingly plausible one."

⬛️ "There may still be time to chart a different course�if our leaders have the resolve to do so. Deterring China from seizing Taiwan should be America�s top priority. That means our defense spending should be concentrated on deterrence in the Pacific."

⬛️ "No more �divest to invest� in the Indo-Pacific. No more unfunded priorities from INDOPACOM. We should be stockpiling weapons, dispersing our forces, and accelerating late-stage development of space, cyber, and other critical capabilities, like the B-21 strategic bomber."

⬛️ "None of this is news, but we�re years behind schedule."

https://www.hawley.senate.gov/hawley-delivers-national-security-speech-china-and-ukraine-time-truth

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# ? Feb 18, 2023 17:26

Oglethorpe: Aug 8, 2005

Kindest Forums User posted:

Just finished Socialism with Chinese Characteristics: a guide for foreigners. the bool was great and really helped me understand how our their political and governance system works. Also Xi is my daddy now, love that guy.

It's cool how much he has promoted studying Marxism and socialism within the party and in general. He has certainly done more than any other Western Leftest in promoting Marxist thought, yet people still question Xi and the CCPs commitment to socialism. Pathetic stuff.

drat that book's expensive

# ? Feb 18, 2023 17:51

Cuttlefush: Jan 15, 2014; gotta have my purp

Oglethorpe posted:

drat that book's expensive

it's on libgen

# ? Feb 18, 2023 18:18

Centrist Committee: Aug 6, 2019

Cuttlefush posted:

it's on libgen

piracy has spoiled me. i see a pdf and resign myself to a poo poo reading experience. epub is where it�s at, optimized for the device in hand. reading a pdf is basically my long march

# ? Feb 18, 2023 18:58

Cuttlefush: Jan 15, 2014; gotta have my purp

Centrist Committee posted:

piracy has spoiled me. i see a pdf and resign myself to a poo poo reading experience. epub is where it�s at, optimized for the device in hand. reading a pdf is basically my long march

wrong

# ? Feb 18, 2023 18:59

SideEffectShit: Oct 10, 2022; by Pragmatica

fits my needs posted:

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1626684198147837954?s=20

anyone have a running total on people who have just "'''disappeared'''' in china over the last decade? all business elite and high ranking party members?

# ? Feb 18, 2023 19:03

ikanreed: Sep 25, 2009; I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

SideEffectShit posted:

anyone have a running total on people who have just "'''disappeared'''' in china over the last decade? all business elite and high ranking party members?

Lol, shuai peng.

# ? Feb 18, 2023 19:17

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

crepeface posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWSfELZMBog

lol so this guy reckons that the pentagon got yelled at for not shooting down the chinese balloon quick enough so they're now just shooting down all the balloon that he can find make biden look like a moron

good premise for a top gun satire

# ? Feb 18, 2023 19:27

Cpt_Obvious: Jun 18, 2007

It's always funny that the right wing nut jobs have a better grasp of geopolitics than liberals. Not a good one, but a better one.

# ? Feb 18, 2023 19:35

Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1626753369326096385

# ? Feb 18, 2023 19:40

euphronius: Feb 18, 2009

fits my needs posted:

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1626684198147837954?s=20

more please

# ? Feb 18, 2023 20:00

Honky Mao: Dec 26, 2012

Some Guy TT posted:

https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1626753369326096385

Ok this is way more authoritarian than countless incidents of US police driving SUVs into protests

# ? Feb 18, 2023 20:06

Grapplejack: Nov 27, 2007

Oglethorpe posted:

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Sorry buddy no one actually thinks about what winning would look like it's all about laundering as much money through the mic as possible. We need to focus on a brand new seventy trillion dollar plane and not anything lame like computers or trade routes or readiness

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Mantis42: Jul 26, 2010

The stuff about trade and military bases is just "what if China was America?"

# ? Feb 18, 2023 20:29

Chamale: Jul 11, 2010; I'm helping!

Some Guy TT posted:

https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1626753369326096385

What if someone has a sign on a pole?

# ? Feb 18, 2023 21:16

Danann: Aug 4, 2013

Chamale posted:

What if someone has a sign on a pole?

that's when they break out the drones and the XXL banners

# ? Feb 18, 2023 21:26

KomradeX: Oct 29, 2011

Some Guy TT posted:

https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1626753369326096385

They should do like American cops at protests and just shoot and beat the crap out of everyone and attest whole streets full or people. Because you know thats what respecting freedom is

# ? Feb 18, 2023 21:39

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

https://twitter.com/ElbridgeColby/status/1626605615475834881?t=tTCbJUj5e7AcXwbIIxmssA&s=19

# ? Feb 18, 2023 22:02

Orange Devil: Oct 1, 2010; Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Just imagine if other countries would treat us the way we do them. A nightmare.

# ? Feb 18, 2023 22:04

Anime Schoolgirl: Nov 28, 2002

the US is more likely to seize taiwan after getting impatient over china kicking the war can down the road as long as they want to (which is a pretty long time, time isn't exactly on the US' side)

# ? Feb 18, 2023 22:11

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

china has most cunningly planned for 80 years to invade taiwan

# ? Feb 18, 2023 22:22

Anime Schoolgirl: Nov 28, 2002

an invasion...of trade surplus

# ? Feb 18, 2023 23:19

Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/Olivia_Gazis/status/1626961862909693953

# ? Feb 18, 2023 23:42

Antonymous: Apr 4, 2009

ikanreed posted:

Lol, shuai peng.

disappeared means not posting on social media. e.g. THE US GOVERNMENT HAS DISAPPEARED MEGAN FOX

# ? Feb 18, 2023 23:53

cenotaph: Mar 2, 2013

Centrist Committee posted:

piracy has spoiled me. i see a pdf and resign myself to a poo poo reading experience. epub is where it’s at, optimized for the device in hand. reading a pdf is basically my long march

I read it just fine on a kindle fire but if glare or back lighting bothers you it would be annoying.

# ? Feb 18, 2023 23:53

Antonymous: Apr 4, 2009

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

the US is more likely to seize taiwan after getting impatient over china kicking the war can down the road as long as they want to (which is a pretty long time, time isn't exactly on the US' side)

# ? Feb 18, 2023 23:54

Antonymous: Apr 4, 2009

has the US, the most belligerent state of the last 80 years, ever seized an ally nation

we will put airforce bases back on the island maybe

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Mantis42: Jul 26, 2010

Yea we're not going to govern Taiwan, we'll just turn them into a forward operating base while seizing their chip industry.

# ? Feb 19, 2023 00:05

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