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Raffi: "Searching for things is HARD! It's HARD you guys! I don't WANNA!" Luthen: "I HAVE MADE MY HEART A SUNLESS SPACE"
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So was the episode good?
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Feb 18, 2023 18:19
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Arglebargle III posted:So was the episode good? Honestly, it was sort of fine, mostly all setup, I have just run out of good will. Show me something actually good.
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Feb 18, 2023 18:21
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:Why is Raffi still in this show? They wrote out Rios just fine and they should have purged Raffi at the same time. I mean, who knows what's in these actors' contracts. And frankly, at least from a real world perspective, good for Michelle Hurd. If you get a part in something nail that poo poo down, you could be in demand and that suddenly dries up in an instant and next thing you know you're catering like on Party Down.
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Feb 18, 2023 18:21
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Alan_Shore posted:It's a big Federation memorial day. We've got shots of the Enterprise D and someone saying no one wants those toys. Geordie works at the Federation museum. My fanservice prediction is that Geordi's mothballed museum fleet is going to get involved in the climactic universe-saving battle at the end of the season, and then warp away with the Titan-A to show up just in time at the Foundation Day parade.
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Feb 18, 2023 18:30
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Drone posted:My fanservice prediction is that Geordi's mothballed museum fleet is going to get involved in the climactic universe-saving battle at the end of the season, and then warp away with the Titan-A to show up just in time at the Foundation Day parade. galenanorth fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Feb 18, 2023 |
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Feb 18, 2023 18:34
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Arglebargle III posted:So was the episode good? It was okay. Watching Frakes having the time of his life is worth the price of admission, at least so far.
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Feb 18, 2023 18:35
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Seriously Frakes/Riker has always been a joy to watch. Could have had a Captain Riker show but no feed us that cold Discovery diarrhoea
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Feb 18, 2023 18:43
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ashpanash posted:I mean, who knows what's in these actors' contracts. And frankly, at least from a real world perspective, good for Michelle Hurd. If you get a part in something nail that poo poo down, you could be in demand and that suddenly dries up in an instant and next thing you know you're catering like on Party Down. I feel bad for Michelle Hurd because the show created a lovely character for her but I agree that if you find yourself there you might as well keep getting paid.
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Feb 18, 2023 19:25
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Mooseontheloose posted:I do appreciate that Riker told Shaw to gently caress off when he clearly disrespected 7. That's another thing, captain's generally choose their XOs, so why would he choose a Borg when he has a problem with them?
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Feb 18, 2023 19:33
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Huh, only took 6 months to hit 'SNW was Always Bad'. The show is really good, IMO. It does a lot of fundamental things right, like giving individual characters focus, development and shine. The individual stories (yes, including the Gorn one at the end of the season) are all solid, fundamentally sound scripts that don't try to reinvent the wheel, they just do the nuts and bolts of SF storytelling and do them well. It was a show I legitimately look forward to watching every week and am excited to see back. It's probably my favourite of the shows, and the idea that it was 'too casual' in how characters relate to one another has me wonder if some people voicing that complaint actually interact with other humans. Not every scene needs someone pulling rank. Most of the time it's just gonna be Pike saying to do something and the person responds... like a person. I'd like it if writers didn't act like rank structures and such were basically technobabble that didn't matter, sure, but SNW does it about as well as any of the shows now. Gaz-L fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Feb 18, 2023 |
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Feb 18, 2023 19:41
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Gaz-L posted:Huh, only took 6 months to hit 'SNW was Always Bad'. People in this thread were SUPER bitchy about the pilot and as the season went on they mostly quieted down and most people here generally like it? Where are you seeing people saying it was bad?
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Feb 18, 2023 19:44
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Charity Porno posted:People in this thread were SUPER bitchy about the pilot and as the season went on they mostly quieted down and most people here generally like it? Where are you seeing people saying it was bad? 3 or 4 people a page ago? OK, they were more 'meh' but that's usually the trajectory with these things. "Thing good" > "Eh thing not so good" > "Thing bad actually". Maybe it's just reflex from this being how it goes with other stuff I like. I post in PSP a decent amount and basically every popular wrestler seems to go through that arc.
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Feb 18, 2023 19:44
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The pilot is the worst episode of the season as a solid “meh”, but the very next episode made me feel like I was 8 again sitting in my living room watching a new episode of Weird Proper Trek. And that feeling kept going for the rest of the season, even the Gorn hunt episode.
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Feb 18, 2023 19:47
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SNW should have won an Emmy for hair design. Maybe it did. It should win another one. It’s not just Pike’s peak, everything dealing with hair was done fantastically well throughout the series.
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Feb 18, 2023 19:53
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I've consistently felt like SNW was not good. It wasn't actively bad outside of how it was busy ruining the Gorn, but that's the extent of my praise for it.
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Feb 18, 2023 19:54
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I really don’t mind the xenogorn. They have like, what, two episodes of development prior to that outside of a few mentions or references? The Ferengi had more characterization before DS9 reworked them.
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Feb 18, 2023 19:58
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holefoods posted:I really don’t mind the xenogorn. They have like, what, two episodes of development prior to that outside of a few mentions or references? The Ferengi had more characterization before DS9 reworked them. Really only one, unless you count a single Gorn in I think a non-speaking background role in TAS. The Tholians had more development.
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Feb 18, 2023 20:07
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SNW is the best Star Trek
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Feb 18, 2023 20:10
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It's not the 'changes' to the gorn that I mind so much as the concept they arrived at doesn't work very well with Star Trek and isn't very interesting even outside that. Part of what makes, say, the Xenomorph work is that the Xenomorphs aren't building starships. They're animals. Extremely dangerous, horrific animals, but they're animals. They aren't killing you out of cruelty, it's just what they do, and all your technological advancements aren't enough to stop them. The Gorn have starships, multiple planets, etc, and that undoes the Xenomorph thing pretty badly. They're a dull take on an iconic monster that doesn't work well as that monster and doesn't fit into the tone of what they're in.
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Feb 18, 2023 20:24
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I think the crit that the crew are too quippy is warranted. It isn't purely about the quips - I like Ortegas and I think she can fill that role - but how 2020's relatable they go out of their way to make the characters behave. Nurse Chapel's the worst offender, but they all do it to an extent. Relaxed, or emotionally honest moments should be distinct from their professional personas rather than completely integrated into every moment including life or death situations. That way, it would have more of an impact when they make a joke or get real, and it wear out my patience a lot less. You go from a scene of people hanging out having dinner at Pike's, then they go on a mission, and they still talk like they are just hanging out. But overall it is easily the best new Star Trek series including Lower Decks which I just can't stand and don't know how people think it is funny.
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Feb 18, 2023 20:26
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Changing the Gorn is such a tiny thing to worry about. It's not as egregious as what Discovery did to the Klingons, who've had tons of screentime across most of the series and already went through at least one radical redesign (and that one for TNG was for the better). If you don't get hung up on the changes to the Gorn, that's a really good episode or two. 🤷♂️imo SNW is the best of the modern live action series and it's not even close.
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Feb 18, 2023 20:28
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Picard is gonna bring back the Ent D and the Ent A and maybe they’ll toss the B and the E in as well.
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Feb 18, 2023 20:28
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I'm interested to know if this is the season of Picard that is actually about Picard's relationship with the Borg or if like the previous two it will be heavily trailed but then just not turn out to have anything to do with the story.
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Feb 18, 2023 20:34
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roomtone posted:I think the crit that the crew are too quippy is warranted. It isn't purely about the quips - I like Ortegas and I think she can fill that role - but how 2020's relatable they go out of their way to make the characters behave. Nurse Chapel's the worst offender, but they all do it to an extent. Relaxed, or emotionally honest moments should be distinct from their professional personas rather than completely integrated into every moment including life or death situations. That way, it would have more of an impact when they make a joke or get real, and it wear out my patience a lot less. You go from a scene of people hanging out having dinner at Pike's, then they go on a mission, and they still talk like they are just hanging out. You realise Chapel's 'relaxed' persona is the furthest thing from her being emotionally honest, right? And her pining over Spock in TOS wasn't any MORE 'professional'? I dunno, I guess I'm odd in that I don't mind so-called 'quippy' dialogue. I actually kinda hate that phrase, seeing as it's so nebulous. It's stopped meaning actual quips and basically means any dialogue more casual than the Council of Elrond. (Not singling you out, but people make one joke in a show/movie now and it's "ughhh, god, so quippy, it's been Whedon-poisoned")
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:Picard is gonna bring back the Ent D and the Ent A and maybe they’ll toss the B and the E in as well. Excited for Danny Pudi to guest star as captain of the Ent-ABED
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Alchenar posted:I'm interested to know if this is the season of Picard that is actually about Picard's relationship with the Borg or if like the previous two it will be heavily trailed but then just not turn out to have anything to do with the story. Oh God no please no more Borg poo poo
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Feb 18, 2023 21:08
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SNW is good with only minor flaws that the cast more than makes up for (even the ones I thought were dodgy were great), though I will never not lol that they obviously just picked characters from other media and adapted them to Enterprise crew. Raffi is good in this episode and her being an intelligence operative looking for conspiracies is 100% consistent with the character of her as established in the prior two seasons as a conspiracy theorist who is good at organizing complex operations. This is a good choice in an episode with some weird to bad choices for established characters.
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Feb 18, 2023 21:16
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Charity Porno posted:Oh God no please no more Borg poo poo The ship in the LCARS end credits, the USS Constance, has a loss date that corresponds to Best of Both Worlds. https://twitter.com/gaghyogi49/status/1627020373379227648?s=46&t=F3EZq1z7B88kXG0PxmcdHw So we’re definitely getting more Borg poo poo.
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CPColin posted:Excited for Danny Pudi to guest star as captain of the Ent-ABED Troi and ABED in the morning♪!
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Feb 18, 2023 21:17
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The problem with the gorn was just that it undid the whole point of the gorn. They were originally very much a "don't judge a book by its cover no matter how monstrous they look, you might just be a monster to them" thing, and now its just a boring "nah they're not just monsters, they're such ultra monsters you should have no qualms about murdering their infant children on sight, they're that big of monsters." I mean, knowing what we now know about the gorn, Kirk should have absolutely murdered that gorn captain and his whole crew at the end of Arena. Who knows how many more innocent people will be mutilated and fed to their monster offspring because of Kirk's mistake to let them live and breed?
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:Picard is gonna bring back the Ent D and the Ent A and maybe they’ll toss the B and the E in as well. Toss in the NX-01 piloted by Archer with a mobile emitter from Riker's favorite holiday program
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Feb 18, 2023 21:23
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Tom Guycot posted:The problem with the gorn was just that it undid the whole point of the gorn. They were originally very much a "don't judge a book by its cover no matter how monstrous they look, you might just be a monster to them" thing, and now its just a boring "nah they're not just monsters, they're such ultra monsters you should have no qualms about murdering their infant children on sight, they're that big of monsters." Nah by the 24th century they are inviting humans to weddings
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Big Mean Jerk posted:The ship in the LCARS end credits, the USS Constance, has a loss date that corresponds to Best of Both Worlds. Or potentially why Shaw is such a jerk to ex-Borg
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Big Mean Jerk posted:The ship in the LCARS end credits, the USS Constance, has a loss date that corresponds to Best of Both Worlds. I'm going to say that Vadic was either a crew member on the USS Constance or related to someone who died at Wolf-359 on the Constance thanks to Locutus and she's enacting a 30 year old revenge plot against Picard and everyone Picard loves for... Look, Terry Matalas is a hack okay, I got nothing, but it's gonna be dumb.
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I would have much preferred that Shaw was being an rear end in a top hat because he'd clocked immediately that Picard and Riker were up to no good and was trying to smoke them out, rather than being totally oblivious and just so much of an rear end in a top hat that his entire crew implicitly agreed to mutiny and just not tell him.
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In between SNW and TOS the gorn had a change of heart and chilled out a lot.
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I agree. A guy who is a complete rear end in a top hat just to be an rear end in a top hat really sucks. A captain who is no-nonsense but is a good leader is fine. Maybe he is short with Seven because she's used to doing whatever she wants as a ranger and they butt heads sometimes, but still has good rapport with other members of the crew. If it really is that he's just a jerk and our main characters are the cool guys who everyone loves, that would be lame. Picard and Riker were being suspicious as gently caress and are worthy of Shaw being wary of them. Now he's stuck at the edge of federation space and will have to help defend whatever dumb poo poo Picard and Riker got into. There is plenty there for him to be legitimately grouchy with them, so they better not cheap out with him just being a shitlord.
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nine-gear crow posted:I'm going to say that Vadic was either a crew member on the USS Constance or related to someone who died at Wolf-359 on the Constance thanks to Locutus and she's enacting a 30 year old revenge plot against Picard and everyone Picard loves for... Look, Terry Matalas is a hack okay, I got nothing, but it's gonna be dumb. So it’s literally the Sisko-Picard meeting from Emissary, but executed as a brainless rip-off of WoK. Sounds about right.
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Alchenar posted:I would have much preferred that Shaw was being an rear end in a top hat because he'd clocked immediately that Picard and Riker were up to no good and was trying to smoke them out, rather than being totally oblivious and just so much of an rear end in a top hat that his entire crew implicitly agreed to mutiny and just not tell him. I read it as he knew they were up to no good after the ruse and is just a space racist to boot.
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