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my first thought on reading this was "oh is trevor bastard paying for twitter blue for his joke accounts now" but no that's one of the real ones
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No wonder the people don’t want socialism, have you seen how much a bus costs lately
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You must drive an hour in traffic to a big grey box outside of town that is also your local shop which sells you British Beef wrapped in old pages of The Sun for 2s6d that you then drive another hour home and boil until it turns completely grey and you eat it with no seasoning while silently seething about the idea of a black military-aged male entering your country and stealing your Culture
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It's notable that one of the first things known criminal Lutfur Rahman did when he became Mayor of Tower Hamlets (again) was to order the LTNs dismantled. Although he did order the construction of an actual Town Hall in the middle of the borough, rather than have the council keep renting a shitheap in the middle of nowhere, so I guess he occasionally has some good ideas
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Isomermaid posted:So this is a pretty wild conspiracy theory. There's a street in Sheffield that got pedestrianised but they didn't remove the bus shelters, we call them the busk shelters now cos there's always a good busker in one of them. But the other has been turned into a preaching pulpit for this group complaining about the 15 minute city and they're CONVINCED that it means you'll get fined for going outside a radius.
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Feb 19, 2023 13:30
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channel water being so turbulent, stopping the boats would actually require constant corrective acceleration
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BalloonFish posted:It also isn't helped by the scheme in Oxford, which is implementing both Low Traffic Neighbourhoods and some sort of 15-minute City scheme together: Closing the rat-runs and restricting inter-district traffic to the trunk routes comes with the barriers, no-car streets, camera enforcement and charges/fines. That's the LTN stuff, and Oxford seems to be doing the 15MC idea a bit of disservice (and providing fertiliser to the nutters) by not only rolling out both at the same time but lumping them together name-wise. It makes it easy for the "You'll be trapped in an open-air prison by cameras and won't be allowed to travel more than 15 minutes from your home!!!!!!!!" narrative to take root when the LTN restrictions are put in place before the 15MC has actually been created. i'm pretty sure that the oxford ltn stuff is the source of it as a conspiracy in the first place and it seems like it could have been communicated much better
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Angepain posted:my first thought on reading this was "oh is trevor bastard paying for twitter blue for his joke accounts now" but no that's one of the real ones Didn't Davis win Olympic medals in the swimming pool for becoming a terf?
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forkboy84 posted:Didn't Davis win Olympic medals in the swimming pool for becoming a terf? She's a piece of poo poo
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BalloonFish posted:Plus, not so long ago the general thrust of British conservatism would have been all-for a return to the days of parades of local shops owned by stalwart John Bull-type small business owners and families on your local high street. "They want to close all the bakers and greengrocers and make us drive to a big box and push our own trolleys around" was the traditional complaint from those quarters, which has far more in common with the "self checkouts are up to something" idea than the "15 minute cities are tyranny zones" one, which I guess explains why I've not heard anything at all about them locally, even from the types down the pub who are convinced that traffic calming features are part of some nefarious plot. Isomermaid posted:So this is a pretty wild conspiracy theory. There's a street in Sheffield that got pedestrianised but they didn't remove the bus shelters, we call them the busk shelters now cos there's always a good busker in one of them. But the other has been turned into a preaching pulpit for this group complaining about the 15 minute city and they're CONVINCED that it means you'll get fined for going outside a radius.
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Rarity posted:Public transport is socialism, obviously Well yeah it is
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15 minute cities are all very well, but 15minutes doesnt get you much in the countryside
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Angepain posted:my first thought on reading this was "oh is trevor bastard paying for twitter blue for his joke accounts now" but no that's one of the real ones I had an entire day of that yesterday. I had a load of crazy takes appear on my feed and I initially laughed at how ridiculous the new 'parody' accounts sounded. But then I dug in a little further.... and yeah.... The internet makes people stupid.
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Guavanaut posted:There's already fines for going outside a radius, it's the costs of owning and operating a vehicle to get anywhere where all the public transport got ruined. It's interesting that "making something unaffordable for many people but not actually illegal" never gets seen as equivalent tyranny by these kinds of conspiracies though. Yup. Feels to me like the current era of conspiracy is comfortably well off interests manufacturing scapegoats to misdirect anger away from doing what needs to be done to make life actually better. Why complain about the real reasons for economic hardship if you can blame it on a migrant boat? Not to get too conspiratorial myself, I don't know how literally these things get deliberately seeded, but it's sure as poo poo telling what is allowed to flourish
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Microplastics posted:Uh he was doing an interview on TV news about a month ago or more about nurses and the NHS and the background was "STOP THE BOATS"
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This 15 minute cities thing is just an extension of the LTN derangement that has held a certain type of middle-aged to older middle class person in their grip for years now, and it’s actually pretty Fanny of the far right to capitalise on it.
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15 minute cities is just to fill the void left by covid/vaccination conspiracy hysteria imo
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Answers Me posted:No idea but I’d be shocked if Glinner hasn’t made it into Duke Smoochem yet. Jippa posted:How many do you reckon you could eat before you got sick? I haven't had one for at least a decade but this story made me want one. It's probably way fewer than you think. Comrade Fakename posted:This 15 minute cities thing is just an extension of the LTN derangement that has held a certain type of middle-aged to older middle class person in their grip for years now, and it’s actually pretty Fanny of the far right to capitalise on it. The paranoia comes from Britain historically being a shitheap that cannot reward and encourage what it sees as good, only ever punish and fine what it wants to discourage. It's still nonsense though. At first I thought she was the runner who took a big poo poo in the middle of a marathon, but apparently that's Paula Radcliffe, Sharron Davies is apparently a supporter of pissing in the pool during races and also complaining that theoretical trans people might defeat her.
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Darth Walrus posted:https://twitter.com/hatemachine1187/status/1627297515799293952?s=46&t=CcMWR2_rZ67ExLjjv1S99Q aggravating for the obvious reasons but also a bit "disco sales can only go up" from the big-brain centrists here. hammering corbyn on spectral anti-semitism worked best of all the attacks they came up with for him, but it's not like it was an anti-left panacea and it was brexit that did him in at election time.
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crispix posted:15 minute cities is just to fill the void left by covid/vaccination conspiracy hysteria imo Which itself filled in for q-anon which itself filled in for flat earthers Some stragglers will stay behind to keep the old conspiracies alive but most will jump on the New Hotness
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So what is a 15 minute city? A bunch of people seem to think it means being 16 minutes from your home will see you fined.
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https://twitter.com/schneiderhome/status/1627298872769798145Gonzo McFee posted:So what is a 15 minute city? A bunch of people seem to think it means being 16 minutes from your home will see you fined. It's absolutely nothing really, just a nice idea that cities should be designed so people have everything they need for a happy life within 15 minutes walk of their home. An awful lot of towns and cities in the UK are already like this,so it might not surprise you to learn this new conspiracy nonsense is an American import.
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Gonzo McFee posted:So what is a 15 minute city? A bunch of people seem to think it means being 16 minutes from your home will see you fined. they're actually cities where you can get everything you need within 15 minutes, mainly a reaction to the particularly bad suburban sprawl of america where the nearest store like is a 30 minute drive away and you have to own a car or die. at some point in these people's minds "it will be good when in the normal day to day you don't have to go further than 15 minutes' walk" has transformed into "the government will shoot you if you go far from your house", for some reason. I guess lockdown conspiracy theories latching on to a phrase that can almost be made to sound like it means something similar? really seems to have gone from 0 to 60 really fast recently so i assume some person all the conspiracy people follow has invented it
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josh04 posted:aggravating for the obvious reasons but also a bit "disco sales can only go up" from the big-brain centrists here. hammering corbyn on spectral anti-semitism worked best of all the attacks they came up with for him, but it's not like it was an anti-left panacea and it was brexit that did him in at election time. The idea is to give moral lubricant for their wrecking of democracy. Every part of their campaigning so far has been based around putting up the fortifications against the people they're leaving behind.
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Gonzo McFee posted:So what is a 15 minute city? A bunch of people seem to think it means being 16 minutes from your home will see you fined. Everything you need is within 15 minutes walking distance, rather than necessitating long commutes by vehicle. It's peak "making things up to be mad about"
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Angepain posted:really seems to have gone from 0 to 60 really fast recently so i assume some person all the conspiracy people follow has invented it I'm just assuming someone's found a way to monetise it; that's usually the driver for this sort of thing taking off
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Trashfuture had a good point about it which is that for all that the conspiracy is deranged you can sort of see the lead poisoned thought process - whenever local authorities want to (for example) 'encourage' people to use public transport, do they increase the number of buses? Do they make the routes cheaper? Add more stops? Hire more drivers and support staff? Reopen rural stations? Nope, they just fine people for using their cars. 100% this. British councils can only ever do the stick and not the carrot.
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If I was Angela Rayner and my partner had been sacked from the front bench and then deselected, my "long-term ally" had been blocked from the long-list for another seat and Rachel Reeves had been described as the "de facto deputy leader" in a document sent out to businesses, I might be quite upset with the direction of the party. And yet the response is, as ever, quiet acceptance that being marginalised is the correct thing for even the soft left.
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I don't think anglea rayner is actually left wing at all to be honest, I think she's just a clout chaser who will say anything for attention.
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This is loving hilarious, I am enjoying Rayner becoming the absolute whipping girl of the Labour right, just eating all this poo poo & grinning serenely, "yes I think Kieth was right to put a flaming bag of dogshit through Sam & mine's letterbox because we did say supporting things about noted anti-semite Jeremy Corbyn once. It's important to take a strong stance against the antisemitism of a man Kieth served in the shadow cabinet of at least twice." Always very happy that Dawn Butler got my vote then. Ash Crimson posted:She's a piece of poo poo Agreed OP
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The Heritage Party seem to be the ones who are heavily fuelling this ridiculous 15 minute nonsense, headed by a David Kurten https://heritageparty.org/ quote:The Heritage Party was formed in 2020 to defend our heritage and restore our nation. https://twitter.com/davidkurten
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fuctifino posted:The Heritage Party seem to be the ones who are heavily fuelling this ridiculous 15 minute nonsense, headed by a David Kurten So Nazis then.
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Olpainless posted:So Nazis then. He can't be a nazi. He's not white. /s
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