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Alan_Shore posted:Shaw is a complete prick, there are no shades of gray here I dunno, we still have time for the show to be as bad as Shades of Grey! 
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HD DAD posted:Is media literacy down, or did the subset of people we grew up with who didn’t seem to grasp basic story structure just get access to the internet? It's people on their phones while "watching" a show. This made the GoT threads almost unreadable, people kept asking why things had happened that two main characters had had a conversation about just minutes before. It really ought to be probateable.
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Feb 19, 2023 21:38
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Jellico they go out of their way to humanize, he has drawings from his kids on the wall, he talks personal matters briefly between being business, he is willing to drop rank with Riker to try to resolve things enough to do a job, even admitting he needs help. I didn't see any of that in this new guy (who admittedly had less screentime so far but they already had good characterization in Jellico in just the first of the two parter) Conclusion - worse writing, remains to be seen if he is as much as a drunken jerk bigot as the show is projecting him as. Bonus - Jellico is why Troi started wearing a real uniform like she should have been doing from the beginning
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Feb 19, 2023 21:42
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Gaz-L posted:Yeah, there's a difference between "I'm making some admin changes to get us ready for a shooting war, and I don't have time to make nice while people get used to it" and "I'm gonna drop some sick burns on Picard and Riker and then make em share a bunk bed lol". The mean captain is just tsundere and ships Picard and riker
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holefoods posted:I feel like modern movie/TV writing in general has lost the entire concept of “this character is not a bad guy but isn’t going to play along with the main characters just because they’re the main characters.” Wish we did have more of that. I liked when they did this with Captain Jellico in TNG
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Feb 19, 2023 22:00
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I never had an issue with Jellico. The things he wanted all seemed pretty reasonable and I never understood why everyone fought against him so hard. It was just different.
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Cojawfee posted:I never had an issue with Jellico. The things he wanted all seemed pretty reasonable and I never understood why everyone fought against him so hard. It was just different. Eh, Jellico is inflexible and a micromanager. He didn't come in and try to understand his team, his way is the only way. edit: He wasn't a bad guy or anything but an odd choice for a crew that was battle tested and quite frankly performed well.
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HD DAD posted:Is media literacy down, or did the subset of people we grew up with who didn’t seem to grasp basic story structure just get access to the internet? My favorite recent incidence of this phenomenon was when watching Tombstone at my ex's parents' house, Wyatt Earp went "NO" and started blasting people and my ex's mom went, "why did he say no?" I think I said something like, "that was an ad-lib; the script said yes"
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Cojawfee posted:I never had an issue with Jellico. The things he wanted all seemed pretty reasonable and I never understood why everyone fought against him so hard. It was just different. I think he's the one who finally made Troi put on a uniform instead of being the sultry therapist that sits on the bridge of the flagship of the Federation for some reason, which was good.
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Ugh, Picard 3x01 is right there on Prime and even after three nights I'm just Da Sharezoning at the thought of watching it. Am I right in thinking, based on bits and pieces I've picked up, that the episode goes like this: Beverly (not on the Pasteur even though that would totally fit) is attacked by mysterious aliens and sends a cryptic message to Picard asking for covert help. Picard asks Riker for backup, and they bullshit their way onto the Titan-A so Seven can get them to Bev's ship, even though surely one of his other friends still has the keys to La Sirena. But the T&A's captain is a dick and an rear end in a top hat and a jerk with a smelly butt that smells of butt and is mean to our heroes, so they get Seven to reroute the ship to where they need to be while he's having one of his many naps. Picard and Riker steal a shuttle and find Bev's ship, but just before they find any answers there's a sudden cliffhanger! TO BE CONTINUED. Also every frame of the episode has some obscure Easter egg to every single previous scene from the entire franchise. Because if it is, eh. [Seinfeld.gif]
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Memory Alpha says that in the episode, La Sirena was the ship Raffi was using
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galenanorth posted:Memory Alpha says that in the episode, La Sirena was the ship Raffi was using I mean, it obviously is. Like, it's clearly the same set.
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Mooseontheloose posted:Eh, Jellico is inflexible and a micromanager. He didn't come in and try to understand his team, his way is the only way. Also, he changed the entire crew shift rotation just days before going into a hot zone. I have to imagine that a majority of the crew were hopped up on some weird hypospray cocktail in order to handle their hosed-up sleep schedule.
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galenanorth posted:Memory Alpha says that in the episode, La Sirena was the ship Raffi was using I thought so, but it genuinely doesn't matter. If it did she would be calling it like it was a horse in Zelda along with her "this is Starfleet Intelligence Officer Raffi checking in with my very real and not at all imaginary spy handler, because that is what we spies do, undercover" the show is about as subtle as a cinderblock through a window, and loves pretending that it's more clever than it is
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Payndz posted:Ugh, Picard 3x01 is right there on Prime and even after three nights I'm just Da Sharezoning at the thought of watching it. Am I right in thinking, based on bits and pieces I've picked up, that the episode goes like this: You're more than qualified to complain about things you didn't watch itt!
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It’s like Matalas called up Todd Stashwick and said “hey what if Deacon from 12 Monkeys were a Starfleet captain”
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Gaz-L posted:I mean, it obviously is. Like, it's clearly the same set. The first shot of the scene is an establishing shot of the ship
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Seemlar posted:The first shot of the scene is an establishing shot of the ship How am I supposed to see that if I'm looking at my phone?
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HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE posted:It’s like Matalas called up Todd Stashwick and said “hey what if Deacon from 12 Monkeys were a Starfleet captain” That is literally what he did. It's third time he's done that to one of his 12 Monkeys actors.
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Payndz posted:Ugh, Picard 3x01 is right there on Prime and even after three nights I'm just Da Sharezoning at the thought of watching it. Am I right in thinking, based on bits and pieces I've picked up, that the episode goes like this: The Pasteur wouldn't fit because the whole point is it not being in Starfleet, Rafi has the La Sirena and is using it to do intel work, they don't get Seven to reroute the ship, she did it of her own accord after they fail to convince the captain but she picks up that they're on a covert mission, but aside from that, sure, whatever. We've got enough complaining from people who watched the episode, dude.
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Gaz-L posted:I mean, it obviously is. Like, it's clearly the same set. In his defence, that set is the worst starship set in any star trek series, nay, fictional TV series ever. It really looks like they stuck a console and a chair in the middle of an empty warehouse, added some led strip lighting and called it a day.
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Gaz-L posted:Except the very show this is a reunion of did it. Jellico is definitely in conflict with Riker, but is never presented as incompetent or a dick just to be a dick. Jelico isn't a modern antagonist, though. He's on a show that aired over 30 years ago.
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I'm glad the El La Sirena is still around because it means another season of definite article crimes
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CPColin posted:I'm glad the El La Sirena is still around because it means another season of definite article crimes I think they've only ever referred to it as "La Sirena" and never "the La Sirena", so there's that at least.
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Twincityhacker posted:A heads up on the "which Trek will air next." Wilson Cruz *thought* Discovery would air in the spring, but he wasn't sure. So Discovery might not be next, and it's probably Strange New Worlds because it wrapped filming earlier.
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It’s real and it’s not spectacular
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It's fine, and it's existance is why we have Nu Trek at all, which even by going by just the threads opinion on the shows has more Good Trek than Bad Trek.
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Twincityhacker posted:It's fine, and it's existance is why we have Nu Trek at all, which even by going by just the threads opinion on the shows has more Good Trek than Bad Trek. I am forever grateful to Discovery for giving us Lower Decks, Strange New Worlds and Prodigy, like a rotted out tree falling over in the forest and dying so that new and better life can grow from the nursery of its disintegrating corpse. Oh and Picard is there too I guess.
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Twincityhacker posted:It's fine, and it's existance is why we have Nu Trek at all, which even by going by just the threads opinion on the shows has more Good Trek than Bad Trek. I don't think this is true, if it had bombed spectacularly we'd still be getting new Trek, streamers are so horny for franchises
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DISCO constantly comes close to being actually good, which is what is frustrating about it.
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Charity Porno posted:I don't think this is true, if it had bombed spectacularly we'd still be getting new Trek, streamers are so horny for franchises Nah, if Discovery failed Trek would have been dead for another five years minimum, maybe another decade tops. CBS thought people were just loving burned out on TV Trek after Enterprise withered and died and were gunshy about the prospect of bringing it back for over 10 whole years until Bryan Fuller finally sold them on the pitch for Disco. Picard wasn't announced until well into Season 2 of Discovery after they were sure it was a bonfied hit, and while everyone loving despises Picard, it did and still manages to do giant rear end numbers for Paramount+ so at that point CBS was like "Okay, fine, gently caress it, ALL of the Star Trek then. Why not?"
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Cheers, but with Quark as Sam Malone. Make it happen, Paramount.
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Yeah, they hadn’t even considered other shows until after Disco’s first season. It’s also important to remember that outside of this forum and certain other diehard Trek circles, Disco’s reception has been significantly more positive.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Yeah, they hadn’t even considered other shows until after Disco’s first season. Hell, Picard's reception has been significantly more positive. Even at Season 2's absolute nadir of quality if you went on Twitter it just an endless stream of "Holy gently caress this show so goooood", and you can only believe in the Dead Internet Theory for so long before it begins to strain credulity.
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Paramount just ordered 2 more Dexter spinoffs and FOUR spinoffs based on Billions. They have I think 5 Yellowstone shows currently going too. It would have taken an extra year or two but nah, they want franchises and they want em BAD
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Disco is so boring and loving awful, but it got us SNW so I'll allow it.
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Even if you go purely by ratings: (Using RT’s Critics’ score here since both IMDb and RT’s User scores can be and have been review bombed for most of these shows simply because they exist) Disco S1: 82%, Fresh Disco S2: 81%, Fresh Disco S3: 91%, Fresh Disco S4: 88% Picard S1: 86%, Fresh Picard S2: 85%, Fresh LDS S1: 68% (  )LDS S2: 100% LDS S3: 100% SNW S1: 99%, Fresh Prodigy S1: 94% Lower Decks season 1 aside (and that can probably be chalked up to 1) reviewers being immediately put off by that pilot and 2) LDS itself being such a deep cut heavy show meant for diehards), modern Trek has been fairly well received. Even the seasons we all seem to agree are terrible have solid-to-good critical scores.
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CLAM DOWN posted:Disco is so boring and loving awful, but it got us SNW so I'll allow it. I'm just impressed that there is still an active Twitter account out there that is dedicated to 24/7 all caps ragetweeting about how much the person running it hates Star Trek: Discovery to the point where it consumes their every thought and has done so for literally going on six years now, and it has not broken character even once. I watched like 5 minutes of Discovery back in 2017 and went "Nah, I'm good. You do you though, Star Trek." That dude watched five nano seconds and it rewired every neuron in his brain into the loving Allied Mastercomptuer.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Even if you go purely by ratings: Even Rotten Tomatoes themselves have said repeatedly since like Captain Marvel started the endless chain of review bombing that their audience scores aren't worth a hill of beans anymore and they should be ignored but they don't have the balls to just turf them so they've worked out some weird algorithm where it doesn't count anything lower than a 3.5 out of 10 anymore, so chuds now just rate everything 3.5 out of 10 as their new 1 out of 10 and that's why everything that's not across the board hated like Velma or something has a consistent audience score of 33 to 35%. It's a sham.
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