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Yeah, Nary is a very bad father. I expect he's lying about her mom in at least some respects. OTOH, The bit about blacktongue involvement in her mom's pregnancy would explain a lot about Sette's uncommon anatomy, but who knows if we can trust Nary's statements about that part. Sette is supposed to be in her mid-late teens and just stopped getting older when she looked how old she appears now, right? It's rough out there to be a crime lord's daughter and also a blacktongue experiment.
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The twin thing explains some of her experiences in the khert and why she's so weirded out in Litrya Shrine
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Feb 20, 2023 16:28
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habeasdorkus posted:Yeah, Nary is a very bad father. I expect he's lying about her mom in at least some respects. OTOH, The bit about blacktongue involvement in her mom's pregnancy would explain a lot about Sette's uncommon anatomy, but who knows if we can trust Nary's statements about that part.
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Feb 20, 2023 16:34
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Bad Seafood posted:Sette's mid.
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Feb 20, 2023 16:35
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Have we seen outright lies illustrated before? I'm inclined to think that what we're shown is true (so... being present when Sette was born, showing her ma off a pier), though a lot of the rest might be bullshit. In particular I'm still not fully convinced Sette's stillborn twin is real... though I'm not sure why Nary would specify the twin was male since all twins in Kasslyne are identical. The detail about Sette's name being suggested by the Black Tongues seems like it would be a pointless lie, too.
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I'm guessing Sette's twin was the source of the soul Delicieu jammed into Prakhuta
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Prakhuta already had a soul though, it just wasn't a human soul. I don't think you could just replace it? And grafting a whole human soul into an existing Inak soul sounds off too. Might very well have been where Delicieu got the materials for whatever he did, though. Also I missed earlier (until I read one of Cope's tumblr posts) that Nary is drunk in this page. So maybe less (intentional) gaslighting going on than we've been assuming?
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Staltran posted:Prakhuta already had a soul though, it just wasn't a human soul. I don't think you could just replace it? And grafting a whole human soul into an existing Inak soul sounds off too. Might very well have been where Delicieu got the materials for whatever he did, though.
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Human souls are special in that they do that, but I'm pretty sure all animals have souls. (Possibly only on Kasslyne, yeah, we don't know anything about other continents, or if there even are any.) Not sure where that's stated explicitly Duane claims that souls do the thinking too when telling the Shaensigin story to the old Inak in the shrine, which wouldn't really make sense if he didn't believe Inaks have souls at all. And I think Inaks call human souls long souls because of that? Implying the existence of regular souls. (Also the long soul is apparently needed to cast, since humans and Prakhuta are the only ones that can do that, but that's probably directly related to the khert-memory-dump thing?)
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One thing I do know Ashley has said multiple times, the "what is a soul, who or what has one, and what exactly does it do" in so many words (and their religions in general as well), is just an explanation and common belief held by the people of Kasslyne , so what we as readers think we know may not be exactly correct as to what is really going on "underneath the hood" so to speak. For instance, there is both some hard evidence, and some questionable ideas, to support their current belief system, but to make a comparison they might be running on a "the earth is the center of the universe" type model that seems to explain much of what they have witnessed, but it might not be quite right and likely isn't. There are a few more details in the A/T tumblr and probably a bunch of stuff I don't recall, but even then it is left a bit vague because I think that the author has a few surprises in store down the road involving such things, and I'm not positive if she has made a hard decision on all the details and how she wants to nail them all down yet herself or not. Some things more or less are confirmed though. I"m sure there are some specific points out there someone might be able to post, but heck if I know how to search through however many years and thousands of tumblr posts effectively, not to mention the old defunct formspring. Tenebrais posted:Is this story even true? Sette doesn't have a belly button. Staltran posted:Have we seen outright lies illustrated before? I'm inclined to think that what we're shown is true (so... being present when Sette was born, showing her ma off a pier), though a lot of the rest might be bullshit. In particular I'm still not fully convinced Sette's stillborn twin is real... though I'm not sure why Nary would specify the twin was male since all twins in Kasslyne are identical. The detail about Sette's name being suggested by the Black Tongues seems like it would be a pointless lie, too. This one I might be able to answer a little better. I don't know if I would call them "outright lies" but the pages and panels illustrated in that sort of sepia tone are meant to be someone's memories (or maybe even collective memories) of events that happened in the past, so they should be taken with a grain of salt. It doesn't mean they are wrong, but, they might not be completely reliable, as we know memories aren't infallible. Edit: And knowing Sette and other characters doing the whole "living in their best world" thing, to the point of lying to themselves, some of these "flashbacks" possibly might be waaay off from the actual truth, but it's hard to say. Twenty Four fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Feb 21, 2023 |
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Staltran posted:Have we seen outright lies illustrated before? I'm inclined to think that what we're shown is true (so... being present when Sette was born, showing her ma off a pier), though a lot of the rest might be bullshit. In particular I'm still not fully convinced Sette's stillborn twin is real... though I'm not sure why Nary would specify the twin was male since all twins in Kasslyne are identical. The detail about Sette's name being suggested by the Black Tongues seems like it would be a pointless lie, too. Twenty Four posted:This one I might be able to answer a little better. I don't know if I would call them "outright lies" but the pages and panels illustrated in that sort of sepia tone are meant to be someone's memories (or maybe even collective memories) of events that happened in the past, so they should be taken with a grain of salt. It doesn't mean they are wrong, but, they might not be completely reliable, as we know memories aren't infallible. This old post is relevant to this discussion: Fabricated posted:I looked through the formspring archive way back and someone flat out asked if he molests her or whatever and she pretty flatly said no and that she had no problem revealing that. So at least it's not true creepiness.
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the holy poopacy posted:This old post is relevant to this discussion: Oh, dang, you can actually see the edges of the new "my Dad has faith in me" paper that is covering over the old "my Dad is weirdly violent with me" one. It's more obvious in the second image. I didn't notice that the first time I read, only the squiggled out parts.
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Feb 22, 2023 00:41
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oh well i guess i see why that might be sette's worst day
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Every time we get new "What is Sette's Deal" deets I measure it against the "Sette is Tirna's mortal vessel" theory and every time I come away thinking, "Y'know, it sure does seem like Sette is related to Tirna somehow".
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what the goddamn poo poo did she... rip someone entirely out of the afterlife?
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she's ripping out her memories so the ghosts can't use them against her. first it was starfish, now it's sara and the version of herself that wanted to be friends with her turns out that when sette says that she lives in her best world she meant it more literally than we thought, and also has a really tragic idea of "best" in this context
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yeah, you're probably rightquote:Me, I rip out worlds I'm too busy for. I make better ones! Stoopid ghosts. You think I haven't done it a hunnerd times afore?!
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Google Jeb Bush posted:
Fixed that for you
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Mar 3, 2023 03:58
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Sette entering her chuuni anime character and uh, body horror phase
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Mar 3, 2023 12:43
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Strong Bobby Hill energy these last few pages.
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Also grim that the memory of Sara seems to be sentient enough to know exactly what's going on here.
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Jesus, poor Sette.
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Bear with me for a moment. Sette is immortal, if not eternal, and the reason why she thinks she's a child is because she physically tears her memories out of herself when her own existence becomes too much for her to bear. Is that a correct reading?
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That seems pretty likely at this point.
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According to Nary she was definitely born. So this physical body we're looking at has existed for at least a couple decades.
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Fabricated posted:According to Nary she was definitely born. So this physical body we're looking at has existed for at least a couple decades. I don't think Sette is 20 or older, it seems like it hasn't been completely obvious that she hasn't been aging. I'd guess early-mid teens.
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Fabricated posted:According to Nary she was definitely born. So this physical body we're looking at has existed for at least a couple decades. I wouldn't count on Nary ever having told a truth except by accident.
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I think Nary’s account included too much incidental detail to be a lie. black tongues, missing twin, killed his girlfriend on the whole it’s hard to get a bead on just how much of a prevaricator he is, because with the exception of one scene all of our glimpses of him have been filtered through Sette’s delusions
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Also he was sloshed at the time and ruminating over whether to throttle his kid, which isn't really his cold calculating side.
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Just based on the structure of the story, I'd say we're supposed to believe this account (although that's not to say there can't still be missing pieces). It's a time for revelations.
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Google Jeb Bush posted:Also he was sloshed at the time and ruminating over whether to throttle his kid, which isn't really his cold calculating side. regardless of how much of that particular story is true I have total faith in Nary's ability to be drunk, plotting murder, and lying at the same time. it's sort of the Sharteshane walk and chew gum
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I feel like the magic bone spurs and memory ripping stuff is unknown to Nary because no way would he let something that potentially useful slip away without a lot of compensation and he seemed more interested in the big deal Sette was tangentially involved in than pawning her off to Starfish. Also Starfish mentioned she hadn't aged for a decade, so I was guessing she's twenty-ish. She hit adolescence, then stopped aging like anyone thought she should. Makes sense to me.
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Is there a chance that the black tongues pulled an immortal being out of the khert in order to give sette life? And they somehow lost they're memories in the process?
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Sette’s presence in Ilganyag’s nest suggests some kind of reincarnation (remember how Minnow said “she’s never happy”) but this new memory-tinkering skill makes it hard to tell how often she goes through a literal rebirth instead of a metaphorical one
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That Jivi kid is alright.
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It's so satisfying to see this particular plot thread resolved. It's a kind of heart warming we don't often get in this comic.
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Confirmation, more or less.  "Help us or the lizard will." "Or the lizard will what, lol?" "He'll open her cage." on the plus side sette might be figuring out how to wield the power of friendship
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Google Jeb Bush posted:Confirmation, more or less. That's a really neat use of the medium.
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HEEEEERE HE COMES
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