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Setec_Astronomy
Mar 10, 2003

there's nothing wrong with you that an expensive operation can't prolong

Setec_Astronomy posted:

zero complaints.

I realized this isn't quite true: the YT branded dropper lever is atrocious and will break on your second ride. Hopefully they've fully replaced it by the time you get your Izzo, but if not, start bugging them the instant it breaks and they will send you a functional replacement.

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Calvin Johnson Jr.
Dec 8, 2009
Probably been asked to death but do you guys have a recommendation for a bike I can use on paved trails/gravel that's in the $500ish range? I'm willing to spend a little more. I don't mind buying used either. I had a Specialized mountain bike and loved it until I broke the frame. Cost me about $600 so I'm kinda looking for a similar experience. I have flat rear end feet and I want to just put my headphones in and do cardio on trails.

aparmenideanmonad
Jan 28, 2004
Balls to you and your way of mortal opinions - you don't exist anyway!
Fun Shoe
https://www.specialized.com/us/en/rockhopper-29/p/199589?color=319848-199589

Entry level mountain bike from specialized is actually on sale right now. Could also consider Trek Marlin or Giant Talon in that price range. An older used bike could work too but the selection and pricing is still not great in a lot of places.

Walrusmaster
Sep 21, 2009

Calvin Johnson Jr. posted:

Probably been asked to death but do you guys have a recommendation for a bike I can use on paved trails/gravel that's in the $500ish range? I'm willing to spend a little more. I don't mind buying used either. I had a Specialized mountain bike and loved it until I broke the frame. Cost me about $600 so I'm kinda looking for a similar experience. I have flat rear end feet and I want to just put my headphones in and do cardio on trails.

Marin has several bikes in your range. I really enjoy mine:

https://www.marinbikes.com/bikes/type/mountain

amenenema
Feb 10, 2003

Calvin Johnson Jr. posted:

Probably been asked to death but do you guys have a recommendation for a bike I can use on paved trails/gravel that's in the $500ish range? I'm willing to spend a little more. I don't mind buying used either. I had a Specialized mountain bike and loved it until I broke the frame. Cost me about $600 so I'm kinda looking for a similar experience. I have flat rear end feet and I want to just put my headphones in and do cardio on trails.

Buy used. At that price point all the different brand 29" MTBs are exactly the same. Spend $500 for a bike that was $1000 a few years ago or $250 for one that was $500.

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

amenenema posted:

Buy used. At that price point all the different brand 29" MTBs are exactly the same. Spend $500 for a bike that was $1000 a few years ago or $250 for one that was $500.

The reason we're providing advice like the above is because at that price point there is going to be more variation of overall suitability due to the bike's condition than there will be in the bike's brand/model.

Quizzlefish
Jan 26, 2005

Am I not merciful?
I have perhaps a bit of an odd ask for advice(?)

I want to start XC mountain biking with my wife and kids. We are both reasonably fit and love the outdoors. We have zero gear but could happily spend more than $1000 each.

My kids are 8, 4 and 2. The eight year old is just getting decent on his mountain bike (it's a Specialised). I figured he would ride his own bike and the two little ones would ride with us.

Any advice from parent mountainbikers on how to carry them? Seats up front? Seats on the back? A trailer? A pedal along attachment on the back of the bike?

We won't be doing anything too technical - think more xc family bike trails to start with.

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

Nocheez posted:

Not if you're like me. Go to a class, did it once, thought "it rides fine", haven't touched it since.
Ayup. Doesn't bottom out too much on the local trails? Doesn't Yoyo on rebound? Mark down the numbers and keep'em there.

Yeep
Nov 8, 2004

Quizzlefish posted:

I have perhaps a bit of an odd ask for advice(?)

I want to start XC mountain biking with my wife and kids. We are both reasonably fit and love the outdoors. We have zero gear but could happily spend more than $1000 each.

My kids are 8, 4 and 2. The eight year old is just getting decent on his mountain bike (it's a Specialised). I figured he would ride his own bike and the two little ones would ride with us.

Any advice from parent mountainbikers on how to carry them? Seats up front? Seats on the back? A trailer? A pedal along attachment on the back of the bike?

We won't be doing anything too technical - think more xc family bike trails to start with.

I have a couple of friends who swear by shotgun seats for their 3-4 year olds, but they need to have good balance (https://kidsrideshotgun.com/collections/products/products/shotgun-kids-mtb-seat).
My wife's cousin takes his 3 year old mountain biking on easy trails in their Thule Chariot Sport (https://www.thule.com/en-bg/bike-trailers/bike-trailers-for-multiple-activities/thule-chariot-sport-1-_-10201021). He's been doing it since she was 1 1/2 and has flipped it a couple of times with no serious injuries.
I see a lot of older kids at the trails being towed with a bungee cord, which is nice because it lets you help them with the uphills then unclip for the fun bits. Apparently my son's 3 1/2 year old friend uses one with her balance bike but she is very confident and both her parents are much better mountain bikers than me. (https://kidsrideshotgun.com/collections/products/products/mtb-tow-rope)

Quizzlefish
Jan 26, 2005

Am I not merciful?

Yeep posted:

I have a couple of friends who swear by shotgun seats for their 3-4 year olds, but they need to have good balance (https://kidsrideshotgun.com/collections/products/products/shotgun-kids-mtb-seat).
My wife's cousin takes his 3 year old mountain biking on easy trails in their Thule Chariot Sport (https://www.thule.com/en-bg/bike-trailers/bike-trailers-for-multiple-activities/thule-chariot-sport-1-_-10201021). He's been doing it since she was 1 1/2 and has flipped it a couple of times with no serious injuries.
I see a lot of older kids at the trails being towed with a bungee cord, which is nice because it lets you help them with the uphills then unclip for the fun bits. Apparently my son's 3 1/2 year old friend uses one with her balance bike but she is very confident and both her parents are much better mountain bikers than me. (https://kidsrideshotgun.com/collections/products/products/mtb-tow-rope)

Thanks this is v helpful. The double trailer plus two kids would be 40kgs. I'm guessing that's not smart unless I'm mega fit.

I know you weren't necessarily recommending a double trailer but it's where my mind went after looking at the links. Tow rope is a cool idea too.

Always a bit tricky to know what to do (not just with bikes!) When the children outnumber the adults

Suburban Dad
Jan 10, 2007


Well what's attached to a leash that it made itself?
The punchline is the way that you've been fuckin' yourself




Haha only flipped a couple times. I don't ride with my kids and wouldn't put them in a cart on anything bumpy. Nor am I confident enough as a rider to have my kids sit up in front of me. Both of my kids are pretty heavy for their age and I just don't imagine it going well to really be worth it personally.

Quizzlefish
Jan 26, 2005

Am I not merciful?
I think it slightly depends on the trail. The middle kid would be fine up front on any kind of cycling I'm likely to do. Little one I'm less sure, but willing to try.

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

When my kid wants to come along we just ride the cargo bike on groomed flowy trails.

When they gets tired I can just tow them or worst case chuck them on my bike.

Mexican Radio
Jan 5, 2007

mombo with your jombo?

Quizzlefish posted:

I have perhaps a bit of an odd ask for advice(?)

I want to start XC mountain biking with my wife and kids. We are both reasonably fit and love the outdoors. We have zero gear but could happily spend more than $1000 each.

My kids are 8, 4 and 2. The eight year old is just getting decent on his mountain bike (it's a Specialised). I figured he would ride his own bike and the two little ones would ride with us.

Any advice from parent mountainbikers on how to carry them? Seats up front? Seats on the back? A trailer? A pedal along attachment on the back of the bike?

We won't be doing anything too technical - think more xc family bike trails to start with.

If your kids are the right size and you're comfortable with it, the front seats are head and shoulders above any other option. I have a mac ride (https://mac-ride.com/) and it's the best parenting equipment I've ever purchased. Much simpler than a trailer, lighter, more fun for everyone involved. Having him up front means we can talk and look at scenery together and he feels more part of the action ("DADDY, HIT THAT ROCK! GO FASTER!")

I put my kid on it at 2.5 and we could've started earlier. Hesitated for a bit thinking he wouldn't hold on or wasn't big enough to fit securely, but the whole set up is much safer and comfortable than I guessed based on videos and it only took 5 minutes of testing in front of the house before we were off and running. At 5 years old and close to 40lbs he's too big for Actual Mountain Biking on it now, though still fine for easy paved or green gravel paths. In the 3-4 year old sweet spot we could hit up to the high end of blue at a decent clip, with thoughtful avoidance of jank or drops. I'm really sad that era is over! Really great experiences.

amenenema
Feb 10, 2003

VelociBacon posted:

The reason we're providing advice like the above is because at that price point there is going to be more variation of overall suitability due to the bike's condition than there will be in the bike's brand/model.

Uh, yeah you have to be aware of condition when buying used? Sorry thought that was assumed.

vote_no
Nov 22, 2005

The rush is on.
I know it’s an unpopular opinion, but I’m never taking my kids on trails in an attached seat or trailer. If they can’t ride it on their own, they’re not doing it. You can make a mistake anywhere and, even if the likelihood is extremely low, I refuse to allow the possibility of crushing a toddler.

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

amenenema posted:

Uh, yeah you have to be aware of condition when buying used? Sorry thought that was assumed.

I don't think the person initially asking the question would be aware that the condition of the actual bike in front of you is more important than the brand or model at that price point, or they wouldn't have asked.

amenenema
Feb 10, 2003

VelociBacon posted:

I don't think the person initially asking the question would be aware that the condition of the actual bike in front of you is more important than the brand or model at that price point, or they wouldn't have asked.

All new $500 bikes are the same. Save some money and buy used. If you buy used to have to be a bit careful.

There did I miss anything?

Quizzlefish
Jan 26, 2005

Am I not merciful?

Mexican Radio posted:

If your kids are the right size and you're comfortable with it, the front seats are head and shoulders above any other option. I have a mac ride (https://mac-ride.com/) and it's the best parenting equipment I've ever purchased. Much simpler than a trailer, lighter, more fun for everyone involved. Having him up front means we can talk and look at scenery together and he feels more part of the action ("DADDY, HIT THAT ROCK! GO FASTER!")

I put my kid on it at 2.5 and we could've started earlier. Hesitated for a bit thinking he wouldn't hold on or wasn't big enough to fit securely, but the whole set up is much safer and comfortable than I guessed based on videos and it only took 5 minutes of testing in front of the house before we were off and running. At 5 years old and close to 40lbs he's too big for Actual Mountain Biking on it now, though still fine for easy paved or green gravel paths. In the 3-4 year old sweet spot we could hit up to the high end of blue at a decent clip, with thoughtful avoidance of jank or drops. I'm really sad that era is over! Really great experiences.

Nice thanks - yeah it feels like the most fun option. And I'm more of an xc family trail kind of biker anyway so the danger feels pretty low

PaintVagrant
Apr 13, 2007

~ the ultimate driving machine ~

vote_no posted:

I know it’s an unpopular opinion, but I’m never taking my kids on trails in an attached seat or trailer. If they can’t ride it on their own, they’re not doing it. You can make a mistake anywhere and, even if the likelihood is extremely low, I refuse to allow the possibility of crushing a toddler.

I share this unpopular opinion. The first youtuber I saw advertising the attached seat, I thought it was satire and laughed a bit til I realized it was an actual product that exists (for now).

cubicle gangster
Jun 26, 2005

magda, make the tea
Some people saw this and thought it was aspirational

https://youtu.be/jj0CmnxuTaQ?t=00m38s


I did the blankets creek flow trails for the first time today - they're a lot of fun! No air yet, I'm brake checking if I think I'm going to take off from a ramp. Feel like I should probably do my first jump on flat ground.

cubicle gangster fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Feb 20, 2023

Setec_Astronomy
Mar 10, 2003

there's nothing wrong with you that an expensive operation can't prolong

PaintVagrant posted:

I share this unpopular opinion. The first youtuber I saw advertising the attached seat, I thought it was satire and laughed a bit til I realized it was an actual product that exists (for now).

Based on riding with several friends using them, I think the Shotgun-style seats are a lot safer than they look at first. If you manage to tip over, you've got the kid supported in your arms. I wouldn't want to go over the bars or hit a tree head-on, but those are mostly a matter of limiting your speed. They seem plenty safe for flat/gently rolling trails.

I agree on the trailers though; I wouldn't want to risk it and they seem extremely annoying on anything besides a gravel trail.

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

My younger brother got absolutely dumped into a ditch after my mom crashed with him strapped into one of those seats that goes above the rear wheel. My parents say he was unharmed but he's currently doing a doctorate in English so I think it's best to be careful with your kids.

Suburban Dad
Jan 10, 2007


Well what's attached to a leash that it made itself?
The punchline is the way that you've been fuckin' yourself




VelociBacon posted:

My younger brother got absolutely dumped into a ditch after my mom crashed with him strapped into one of those seats that goes above the rear wheel. My parents say he was unharmed but he's currently doing a doctorate in English so I think it's best to be careful with your kids.

:lol:

Mexican Radio
Jan 5, 2007

mombo with your jombo?

VelociBacon posted:

My younger brother got absolutely dumped into a ditch after my mom crashed with him strapped into one of those seats that goes above the rear wheel. My parents say he was unharmed but he's currently doing a doctorate in English so I think it's best to be careful with your kids.

:vince:

PaintVagrant
Apr 13, 2007

~ the ultimate driving machine ~

VelociBacon posted:

My younger brother got absolutely dumped into a ditch after my mom crashed with him strapped into one of those seats that goes above the rear wheel. My parents say he was unharmed but he's currently doing a doctorate in English so I think it's best to be careful with your kids.

:dadjoke:

Calvin Johnson Jr.
Dec 8, 2009

aparmenideanmonad posted:

https://www.specialized.com/us/en/rockhopper-29/p/199589?color=319848-199589

Entry level mountain bike from specialized is actually on sale right now. Could also consider Trek Marlin or Giant Talon in that price range. An older used bike could work too but the selection and pricing is still not great in a lot of places.

This may sound dumb as hell, but I'm 5'11" so I'm right between medium and large; what would you guys recommend? I wish I knew my old bikes size, I bought it in store. I haven't had a solid mtn bike in awhile and I just want to put my headphones in and ride some dirt trails for cardio, I loving hate running.

Suburban Dad
Jan 10, 2007


Well what's attached to a leash that it made itself?
The punchline is the way that you've been fuckin' yourself




Calvin Johnson Jr. posted:

This may sound dumb as hell, but I'm 5'11" so I'm right between medium and large; what would you guys recommend? I wish I knew my old bikes size, I bought it in store. I haven't had a solid mtn bike in awhile and I just want to put my headphones in and ride some dirt trails for cardio, I loving hate running.

Try and ride one at a local shop. Put in your zip code and see if there's one locally you can check out. You'll know pretty quick once you sit on it. But most likely a L will be what you'll be recommended. All depends on your dimensions though, i.e. long/short torso and legs, wingspan, that stuff.

Most "large" bikes are loving huge compared to yesteryear. A medium is like what a large or XL used to be in reach.

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

Calvin Johnson Jr. posted:

This may sound dumb as hell, but I'm 5'11" so I'm right between medium and large; what would you guys recommend? I wish I knew my old bikes size, I bought it in store. I haven't had a solid mtn bike in awhile and I just want to put my headphones in and ride some dirt trails for cardio, I loving hate running.

I would always size up if you're between, unless you are doing very technical riding or dirt jumps etc.

jamal
Apr 15, 2003

I'll set the building on fire

Suburban Dad posted:

Try and ride one at a local shop. Put in your zip code and see if there's one locally you can check out. You'll know pretty quick once you sit on it. But most likely a L will be what you'll be recommended. All depends on your dimensions though, i.e. long/short torso and legs, wingspan, that stuff.

Most "large" bikes are loving huge compared to yesteryear. A medium is like what a large or XL used to be in reach.

Stem lengths, and seat and headtube angles have changed a lot so a longer reach on the geo chart doesn't mean the distance to the handlebars is changing by that much. Like with my old bike i was on a 90mm stem (and that was after going to a shorter one with wider bars from what was on there originally). Then got a new more modern bike and am on a 50mm stem, but it has a steeper seattube angle and slacker hta angle so the actual distance from the saddle to the bars hasn't change much despite the listed reach being way longer.

At 5'11 I'd definitely start out by trying a large with that rockhopper. It's a fairly short reach and tall stack for a current "large" bike.

jamal fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Feb 21, 2023

Clark Nova
Jul 18, 2004

Conventional wisdom is to size up for mountain bikes and size down for road bikes. MTB design adding ~50mm reach in the space of half a decade seems nuts on paper but it works for me :shrug:

amenenema
Feb 10, 2003

Saw this a while back - haven't tried it though:

"...prop your bike between two stepladders, picnic tables, or the like—whatever gets the bike a few feet off the ground so it can pivot freely around the bottom bracket. Set the bike between these props, balanced on both pedals with the cranks horizontal. In your riding shoes, stand on the pedals, grab the handlebars, and stand up as if you’re doing a deadlift. Ideally, if you’re standing with arms at full extension, the handlebar should rest at your hips. If you have to uncurl your fingers to stand fully upright, your RAD is too short. If you have to bend your elbows to lift the bar to your hips, it’s too long"

From - https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-gear/bikes-and-biking/mountain-bike-frame-size-fit/

Video explainer here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyppZOpHocM&t=339s

Frozen Pizza Party
Dec 13, 2005

I think Canyon increased the markdown in their sale for some items, the Spectral 125 AL (SLX, Fox 36 Rhythm, Fox Float X Performance, DT Swiss wheelset) is 34% off at $2,299 US.

e; seems this is a newish sale, they've got huge markdowns on a lot of stuff right now.

Frozen Pizza Party fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Feb 21, 2023

cubicle gangster
Jun 26, 2005

magda, make the tea

Calvin Johnson Jr. posted:

This may sound dumb as hell, but I'm 5'11" so I'm right between medium and large; what would you guys recommend?

I know everyone already answered you to size up, but I'm 5'10 and ended up with a large after trying them in a store and being told which one to get.

vikingstrike
Sep 23, 2007

whats happening, captain
In general, I'd say that's pretty standard height for a L, but might be worth trying both to see what you like better. I think some of this might depend on the type of bike you are looking to buy (bigger enduro bike, XC bike, etc.). The L is going to have more stack, reach, and feel longer when seated and pedaling (holding stem size constant). For something like an XC bike where you will be pedaling a bunch, you might be trading off longer stem to achieve the same position that a shorter stem on a L might provide. I sit on the M/L line too but I'm 5'9". I've gone both ways and they can both work.

n8r
Jul 3, 2003

I helped Lowtax become a cyborg and all I got was this lousy avatar
Any recommendations for a relatively quick rolling rear for a ripmo AF (35mm ID rim)? I’m thinking dissector or maybe rekon. Open to other brands.

Lbs is saying maybe a mazza

n8r fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Feb 23, 2023

Bud Manstrong
Dec 11, 2003

The Curse of the Flying Criosphinx
I run a 2.5 Aggressor on the rear of my V2. It’s fast enough and because it’s dual compound versus triple, it wears better and costs less than the Dissector. I liked the Dissector a lot, but I wore through it very quickly. If your terrain is less rock and more dirt, I think it’d be a good choice. I don’t think the Rekon gives quite enough braking traction or cornering grip to be a good match with the front tire I use on that bike. My old bike came with a DHR2 up front and a Rekon in the rear, but they felt extremely out of sync.

vikingstrike
Sep 23, 2007

whats happening, captain
Spesh Eliminator is another tire that comes to mind.

monsterzero
May 12, 2002
-=TOPGUN=-
Boys who love airplanes :respek: Boys who love boys
Lipstick Apathy
Oh what up my fellow (potential) Rockhopper deal getters?


Picked up this 29 Comp from a LBS Monday. I’m 5’8 with short limbs and settled on a medium after riding M and L Norco Storms. Other store was out of Marlin 6s, but looking at the dimensions I probably would have hated it with the reach being longer and lower. As it is I wish I had taller/closer bars when I’m riding to and from the trailhead.

monsterzero fucked around with this message at 05:39 on Feb 26, 2023

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Yeep
Nov 8, 2004


Took my frankenbike out today for the first time after a couple of months of tinkering. The weather forecast at the local trails was awful so we drove a bit further and were rewarded with stunning sunshine. The riding was much more intense though. The place I usually go the climbs are just there to get you to the start of the descents but here there were technical roots and rock features everywhere. Coming down was much harder work too, both physically and mentally, with no real breaks in features. I had one nasty fall where I chickened out halfway through a descent I should have just walked and failed to get off the bike gracefully but I think I'm actually starting to enjoy mountain biking.

Going from 3x8 to 1x11 has really helped, not having to worry about getting stuck in the wrong front ring is a big confidence boost. I was concerned about 46t not being enough but it was never an issue. The new (to me) wheels were nice as well, more points of engagement over my old ones and noticeably lighter.

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