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No Dignity posted:What's the innocent explanation for the Metroid breeding program? It's their fetish
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There should also just generally be huge interest in studying the things; even the Space Pirates have noted that their energy draining bullshit seems to contravene a lot of accepted science and neither the mechanism by which they drain nor the nature of the energy itself have been identified. It should be of equal interest to both mad science and sane science.
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Feb 21, 2023 18:04
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Metroid has never paid that much close attention and retcons things but also it's been relatively consistent in setting up that it's mostly the space Pirates that are complete assholes and the Federation isn't. It's just fusion that lead to a growth of "Fedeartion...secretly evil?!" along w Other M and the theorycrafting for the EMMIs going rogue in Dread. Only for it to turn out it literally had nothing to do with the Federation and they were seemingly above board and doing the only reasonable reaction to the X showing up which is sending in purely mechanical robots to isolate genetics, I assume for some kind of project checking for properties without having actual X parasites.
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Feb 21, 2023 18:07
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Wasn't there a cutscene in Fusion where AI Adam is conversing with some shadowy Federation member who was like "SAMUS CAN'T FIND OUT ABOUT OUT OUR METROID BREEDING poo poo, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD"- or was that somehow made not suspicious or ominous in the JP release?
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Feb 21, 2023 18:34
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It was asking if they should fill her in and they go "nah". For the reason tthat Samus would want to kill them all immediately regardless of what the Federation claimed probably.
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Feb 21, 2023 19:33
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ChaseSP posted:It was asking if they should fill her in and they go "nah". For the reason tthat Samus would want to kill them all immediately regardless of what the Federation claimed probably. That's the secret message you get if you manage to chain shinespark your way out of Area 4 if I recall. Pastel is referring to the scene midway through the game where once Samus jumps in an elevator the scene jumps back to a nav room where Adam is talking to someone asking if Samus suspects anything and to keep him posted.
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Feb 21, 2023 19:40
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Pastel Candy Snake posted:Wasn't there a cutscene in Fusion where AI Adam is conversing with some shadowy Federation member who was like "SAMUS CAN'T FIND OUT ABOUT OUT OUR METROID BREEDING poo poo, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD"- or was that somehow made not suspicious or ominous in the JP release? His webcam's ring light just wasn't working, jeez.
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Feb 21, 2023 20:16
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i mean realistically the galactic federation would be an insanely enormous organization and a lot of different parties with competing interests would be trying to push it in one direction or another so a simple "the federation are the good guys" or "the federation are evil" doesn't really work
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Feb 21, 2023 20:30
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Honestly based on Super the funnier idea is Samus finding the dumb Metroid breeding thing and just going cool
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Feb 21, 2023 20:30
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"Sir the X are loose again." "Call in Samus." "Sir, she's refusing to work with us after the whole Metroid breeding programme thing." "....How much does she want." "30 Billion." "Okay we can.." "And a pet Metroid." "gently caress it, with any luck they'll kill each other and we'll finally be able to breed our bioweapons in peace."
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Feb 21, 2023 20:34
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Pastel Candy Snake posted:Wasn't there a cutscene in Fusion where AI Adam is conversing with some shadowy Federation member who was like "SAMUS CAN'T FIND OUT ABOUT OUT OUR METROID BREEDING poo poo, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD"- or was that somehow made not suspicious or ominous in the JP release? It's more or less the same. Roughly "Has Samus found out about our plan?" "No, it hasn't been a problem." "Alright, keep track of her activities." "Understood." BrokenLink fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Feb 21, 2023 |
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Feb 21, 2023 20:51
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Procrastine posted:I'd love to hear more about the translation differences in Fusion this video isn't about fusion but it gets somewhat covered anyway. it's a good watch regardless if you're interested in TL stuff
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Feb 21, 2023 22:46
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Should be noted, the person making that video made a few leaps in logic and some questionable translations that got argued over in the comments, so take what they say with a grain of salt.
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Feb 21, 2023 23:09
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Damnit now I want to go replay Dread 
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Feb 21, 2023 23:10
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Yeeeeeeah that video has some interesting stuff but it's starting from the premise of trying to prove that no really guys Other M's story was actually really good, which leads to some, uh. Generous leaps.
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Feb 21, 2023 23:18
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The whole federation murder part could be the best writing in a game and everything revolving adam and samus would still make it the shittiest story in a Nintendo game.
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Feb 21, 2023 23:26
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I was looking at the extras gallery in Remastered and noticed a cute little thing, on the Auto Turret character model the sensor is green unless you spin the model directly at the camera, and then it flashes red like it sees you What a neat little touch added to game absolutely chock full of them
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Feb 22, 2023 00:22
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ChaseSP posted:The whole federation murder part could be the best writing in a game and everything revolving adam and samus would still make it the shittiest story in a Nintendo game. Adam's sacrifice and the scenes around it are still some of the most bafflingly bits of writing I've ever seen.
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Feb 22, 2023 00:42
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Beat Metroid Prime, 100% items 100% scans. Meta Ridley is a chump until he lands and then he’s a real rear end in a top hat. Metroid Prime was fine but I don’t remember his final form being such a pain. I do remember hating Fission Metroids and guess what, I still do! The scan for Metroid Prime explicitly says that it came in the meteor and is the source of Phazon. I wish that they had kept some explanation for why it’s called Metroid Prime even though it isn’t a Metroid. The Chozo still refer to it as The Worm. The Space Pirates say they know there’s something in there but obviously Retro retconned it so they don’t make it into the crater which makes sense. But then MP has all of your beam weapons which was supposed to be from the Space Pirates but now it’s just like 
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Feb 22, 2023 00:54
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TaurusOxford posted:Alternatively, download AM2R. Didn’t AM2R get cease and desisted by Nintendo back before Samus Returns came out?
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ChaseSP posted:The whole federation murder part could be the best writing in a game and everything revolving adam and samus would still make it the shittiest story in a Nintendo game. The entire story could be absolutely immaculate and the way they presented it would still be BAFFLINGLY incompetent. The idea of "Samus is emotionally raw and feeling a lot of angst from both sides of the parental spectrum, losing both her childhood home and one of her last connections to her adoptive parents and the being that had imprinted on her as a mother and died to protect her, she's trying to parse through all these feelings while having an unpleasant reunion with her other pseudo-parental figure, Adam, and she unexpectedly runs into Ridley, the killer of her birth parents, when she really thought she had finally killed him for good this time, and it causes her PTSD to suddenly flare up." is a perfectly fine story beat. All of the ingredients are there. But unless you're a loser Metroid super-fan like me who's done poo poo like read the Zero Mission tie-in manga, you have absolutely no way to piece all of that together with what the game gives you. Samus just turns into an actual child when an enemy she's killed four times by that point shows up. It's just confusing. It sucks, because "Samus suffers a PTSD attack, then beats the gently caress out of Ridley anyway." should've been the coolest loving thing in the series. It certainly was when she did it in the manga! Electric Phantasm posted:Adam's sacrifice and the scenes around it are still some of the most bafflingly bits of writing I've ever seen. We'll have Samus get shot from off-screen, people will think the Deleter got the jump on her, then we'll reveal it's just Adam! Okay, but then why did Adam shoot her? Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh MJeff fucked around with this message at 01:19 on Feb 22, 2023 |
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Feb 22, 2023 01:16
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:Beat Metroid Prime, 100% items 100% scans. Meta Ridley is a chump until he lands and then he’s a real rear end in a top hat. Metroid Prime was fine but I don’t remember his final form being such a pain. I do remember hating Fission Metroids and guess what, I still do! It's really odd that they retconned the original release lore. A metroid wandering outside of pirate confinement and into the core was sloppy-ish, but given the info we get from Prime 3, it makes plenty of sense. New lore is just ???????????
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Well because Retro called it Metroid Prime without realizing that Sakamoto was, parallel to their game, release new lore that said the Metroids were created by the Chozo and only existed on SR388 and never would've been on Tallon IV fifty years ago. Communication between the Retro side and the Sakamoto side was, uh, never that great, I guess.
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Xenomrph posted:Didn’t AM2R get cease and desisted by Nintendo back before Samus Returns came out? Yes, but it was released before it got properly C&D'ed, and once something's on the internet it's there forever. Plus some fans reverse-engineered the code and last I heard it's on version 1.5 with Android support and multiplayer and stuff.
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It seems like that they tried to retcon the Space Pirates reaching MP first despite the crater only having one entrance (honestly you could probably explain this away by saying the Pirates brute-forced their way to it with unsafe tunnels that Samus doesn't have the time to find or reliably navigate) and created more issues. The lore on MP itself is also weird because at the very least, the official Trilogy Artbook still described it as a random Metroid that happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time, but then you add so many other issues like how the Chozo only created the Metroids fairly recently within the past few decades for Raven Beak to be around both for their creation, and then for the tribe's attempts to seal the Metroids at SR388. MJeff posted:Well because Retro called it Metroid Prime without realizing that Sakamoto was, parallel to their game, release new lore that said the Metroids were created by the Chozo and only existed on SR388 and never would've been on Tallon IV fifty years ago. at this point my head canon is that a random Chozo took a Metroid with him to Tallon IV, the leviathan seed falls, and "the worm" possesses the Metroid as the first thing it sees and boom, Metroid Prime MechaX fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Feb 22, 2023 |
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Feb 22, 2023 01:51
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Asterite34 posted:Yes, but it was released before it got properly C&D'ed, and once something's on the internet it's there forever. Plus some fans reverse-engineered the code and last I heard it's on version 1.5 with Android support and multiplayer and stuff. Android support, Switch support, a built in randomizer, fusion mode, new game+, widescreen, higher quality music, etc etc etc... There's also work being done to overhaul the entire game's graphics to get rid of all of the modified/lifted Zero Mission assets and to give the game its own distinct look.
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There's always the out that apparently the word "metroid" is also an old chozo catch all for "warrior".
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yeah the community updates are really good and easy to get just by going to the AM2R subredditNate RFB posted:There's always the out that apparently the word "metroid" is also an old chozo catch all for "warrior". "the game is called Metroid, because the game's map is laid out like a metro" "okay but why are the facehugger things called Metroids?" "uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" Augus fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Feb 22, 2023 |
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Feb 22, 2023 02:24
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I love the interpretations of the zones AM2R has and overall they're more interesting than what was done in Samus Returns.
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TaurusOxford posted:Android support, Switch support, a built in randomizer, fusion mode, new game+, widescreen, higher quality music, etc etc etc... How do you play it on the Switch?
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Feb 22, 2023 02:48
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There’s a good compare and contrast between the two that I remember from a while back. The gist of it was that both remakes had their strengths/weaknesses, and they didn’t really share the same strengths or weaknesses (iirc). https://youtu.be/8WkEoYvlUF0
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it's best to just treat Samus Returns as a separate game altogether, it doesn't really make much of an attempt at recreating the original game's best moments
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I always thought Phazon meteor hits and starts eating planet. Chozo who are enlightened get pulled back from enlightenment. They seal the Phazon meteor even as their ability to see through time is going haywire. They make the artifact temple with clues for Samus knowing where the artifacts will be when she arrives. Much later space pirates show up with Metroids. One gets loose, finds its way through the decaying barrier and starts chowing down on Phazon. The space pirates, who are idiots, think it was there all along.
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Xenomrph posted:How do you play it on the Switch?
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Natural 20 posted:I always thought Phazon meteor hits and starts eating planet. It's probably this. Prime 3 makes a point of stating that the Leviathan seeds corrupt the strongest thing they can find to serve as a guardian. Presumably the Chozo managed to prevent this from happening until the Pirates, as usual, hosed everything up. Can't really think of any native Tallon fauna that might fit the bill if there's no Metroids though, except maybe an adult Sheegoth or a Magmoor.
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Xenomrph posted:How do you play it on the Switch? Have a hacked switch first off. Need a pre-July 2017 og Switch. Then dive down the hacking rabbit hole, find an AM2R switch build and install it.
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Xenomrph posted:I don’t know what I’ve gotten myself into, but I’ve decided to do a timeline-order playthrough of the entire Metroid franchise. Some of it is a replay, some of it is new to me. Metroid Zero Mission CLEARED, 5:23:34, 62% item collection. Onward to Metroid Prime Remastered! MatchaZed posted:Have a hacked switch first off. Need a pre-July 2017 og Switch. Then dive down the hacking rabbit hole, find an AM2R switch build and install it. Oh yeah I have an OLED so I guess that’s out haha. Can it be loaded on a hacked 3DS? I have one of those.
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Bloody Pom posted:It's probably this. Prime 3 makes a point of stating that the Leviathan seeds corrupt the strongest thing they can find to serve as a guardian. Presumably the Chozo managed to prevent this from happening until the Pirates, as usual, hosed everything up. Lol the Metroid wiki says it was actually a Metroid, and cites the Metroid Prime art booklet from 2009, but the chozo lore says something along the lines of “the worm came with the asteroid that spelled our demise”. Clearly the train wreck of a story being constantly edited is a metaphor for Samus’ DNA by the end of Dread  
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How is it that Retro perfected how to do a map for 3D spaces back in 2002 and absolutely no one has done anything similar. Prime/2/3 has the most easy to use, sensible and readable map in 3D game history and no one has ever even tried to rip it off. It’s not like “rotating 3D map” is a concept specific enough for Retro to copyright. What’s the deal?
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I had a weird moment the other day where it dawned on me that Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal have very slight Metroid Prime vibes? Like as an FPS that makes traversal and traversal abilities pretty important, and I want to say there's a bit of the 3D map there too.
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