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Gonz posted:Dude’s career NCAA pass completion percentage is 54.7%. In a grand total of 13 games started. And I keep hearing “He’s not gonna make it out of the top 15!”. do you keep hearing it from anyone except ornery and hornery who's made it his gimmick to constantly talk about him
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Alaois posted:do you keep hearing it from anyone except ornery and hornery who's made it his gimmick to constantly talk about him No, I mean actual NFL talking heads online and on TV! They’re losing their mind over Anthony Richardson, and I cannot for the life of me figure out why. I’ve seen a handful of Lions’ mock drafts where they take him at 18. Please no. Don’t do that, Brad Holmes.
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Relentlessboredomm posted:Please do. Richardson being good would be extraordinary. Has any QB been as bad in college (at a good/elite program) and then gone on to be an actual good qb? It feels basically unheard of for the modern NFL, I’d be floored if he was anything but a shittier version of what Fields could this year as his absolute ceiling. Matt Cassel sorta? Weird example of just having to be a backup the whole time. People will also exaggerate how bad Brady was but he was like any other solid college QB that you take a flyer on late, not actively harmful to his team.
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# ? Feb 22, 2023 05:55 |
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Josh Allen is going to have a long trail of fired GMs in his wake. I’m not a draft person but isn’t the fact that Richardson had Mullen coaching him while he couldn’t do much a negative? Wyoming certainly doesn’t have the resources of Florida and Allen seems like he had basically zero coaching until he was drafted.
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# ? Feb 22, 2023 05:56 |
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Film Twitter loves clipping a single play where they're like "This is why teams in the top 10 are going to have a hard time passing on Anthony Richardson." It's kind of novel that the people who spend the most time trying to analyze prospects have basically reverted to the "Look up a dude's highlights and pretend he'll always play that way" scouting approach that I used as a teenager researching a guy my team drafted
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# ? Feb 22, 2023 05:57 |
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Penisaurus Sex posted:Josh Allen is going to have a long trail of fired GMs in his wake. That’s an enormous red flag with Richardson, he had a lot of high quality programmatic support for his football development. Yet he still has serious issues and kind of sucks. I think his mechanics are better than his atrocious numbers would suggest, but that’s still not really an endorsement. He’s a huge gamble for any coach not named Andy Reid. BUT, and I’ve double checked this, you cannot teach speed babey
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Penisaurus Sex posted:Josh Allen is going to have a long trail of fired GMs in his wake. Worked out for Herbie and the chargers
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Ornery and Hornery posted:That’s an enormous red flag with Richardson, he had a lot of high quality programmatic support for his football development. And he still has serious issues. I think his mechanics are better than his atrocious numbers would suggest, but that’s still not really an endorsement. He’s a huge gamble for any coach not named Andy Reid. This is my big distinction with him right now. If you squint, his tape is eerily similar to Allen, right down to him ripping some insane cover 4 beater and then missing a basic hook zone the next down. Again, if he was Allen and basically never really coached until 22, fine. But he’s been a prep QB this whole time and either doesn’t care or hasn’t been told to fix his feet and work on his touch. If you can get him to do that, he can literally just be Allen. If you can’t, he’s basically Terelle Pryor. If you’re going to gamble on Levis fixing his feet and not randomly missing dudes he shouldn’t, Richardson isn’t that much more of a stretch. My will Anderson write up was like 1200 words on first draft. I’ve reeeeally gotta rein some of this in but I spent a lot of time watching DL clinics this year and got trigger happy.
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# ? Feb 22, 2023 06:12 |
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Andy Staples routinely tells a story that Josh Allen was 6 even his senior year of HS and never took the whole QB thing that seriously until he had a massive growth spurt and got tipped off NFL dudes were looking at him halfway through college Allen had some stinkers in college, but nothing as bad as Richardson vs FSU
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# ? Feb 22, 2023 08:01 |
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Herbert Twitter loves them some Richardson because his arm ceiling can reach that level of impressive but the floor is just lol.
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# ? Feb 22, 2023 14:01 |
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Tice and Mays convinced me on their QB carousel pod that the coolest fit for Richardson is the Lions at 18 or wherever they're picking.
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TheGreyGhost posted:
Give me all the Will Anderson words!
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# ? Feb 22, 2023 15:34 |
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Matt Miller has 19 players with first round grades:quote:Quarterback (3)
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# ? Feb 22, 2023 15:35 |
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And Derrik Klassen has Richardson as QB2 ahead of Bryce Young and only behind Stroud. This class is very eye of the beholder poo poo and that scares me. https://twitter.com/minakimes/status/1628426318051438594?s=61&t=5XhQ3IY0TKf9sLs_Mzh2Lw
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Diva Cupcake posted:And Derrik Klassen has Richardson as QB2 ahead of Bryce Young and only behind Stroud. This class is very eye of the beholder poo poo and that scares me. ok so bears trade 1>2, add 33rd overall + next year's first; houston takes stroud 2>4, add 35th overall + next year's first; colts take levis 4>7, add 38th overall + next year's first; raiders take young 7>9, add 40th overall + next year's first; panthers take richardson. bears then have 4 of top 5 picks next year when all 4 qbs bust so pick 1,2,4,7 are all qbs, 3&5 are anderson/carter, 6&8 can be whoever, and bears get one of the top 3 OT talents who all seem pretty similar, if not the top one if CBs go above that instead anything else will be a failure Edit : see vvvvv bears should be dropping to 9 in that draft mastershakeman fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Feb 22, 2023 |
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https://twitter.com/On3sports/status/1628432074272112640
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mastershakeman posted:ok so Just have the Bears get Laremy Tunsil from Houston and you've created the perfect draft.
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CJ Stroud is the best qb prospect in this class and I don’t care what anyone says about QBs from that school: stroud does have that dawg in him. And yeah we’ll see how the combine and what not impacts mr richardon’s draft stock
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# ? Feb 22, 2023 18:36 |
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I generally think Young is the best talent, if you think you have the ability to protect him. If you have concerns about your line or offensive scheme take Stroud lol.
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Diva Cupcake posted:And Derrik Klassen has Richardson as QB2 ahead of Bryce Young and only behind Stroud. This class is very eye of the beholder poo poo and that scares me. I think they're both kind of right tbh. Gator fans spent 2022 wishing Richardson would take off running more often because that was preferable to him standing in there, throwing it to the right guy, and missing him by 2 yards. If the problem really is just mechanical tweaks, he could be good...I guess...?
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Richardson is going to be good.
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Ornery and Hornery posted:CJ Stroud is the best qb prospect in this class and I don’t care what anyone says about QBs from that school: stroud does have that dawg in him. Justin Fields broke the curse. OSU is now a QB factory
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Sataere posted:Justin Fields broke the curse. OSU is now a QB factory But OSU has always produced great RBs.
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wandler20 posted:But OSU has always produced great RBs. SHOW SOME RESPECT YOU SON OF A BITCH!!!!
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A lot nice throws into tight windows here: https://twitter.com/austingayle_/status/1628468478306033664?s=20
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# ? Feb 22, 2023 20:01 |
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Saw someone comp Stroud as a slightly more athletic Jared Goff.
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Diva Cupcake posted:Saw someone comp Stroud as a slightly more athletic Jared Goff. 4500 yards , 29 tds, 7 ints, 99 passer rating + can run? who wouldn't want that
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# ? Feb 22, 2023 20:06 |
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It’s not a knock. I think Stroud is probably QB1 but again this class is all what you see and the type you like.
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Diva Cupcake posted:Saw someone comp Stroud as a slightly more athletic Jared Goff. I keep seeing that in a few places too and it seems unfair to Stroud. Not even hating of Goff, but Stroud seems superior and different than Goff in several ways.
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# ? Feb 22, 2023 20:45 |
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the richardson stuff is insane to me, its all the shittiest tools QB bullshit from the early 2000s coming back. I'm getting Kyle Boller flashbacks. he's going to be poo poo unless he goes and sits for three years with Andy Reid or Sean Payton and even then he'll still probably be poo poo. Idk that the other 3 will be good either but it at least makes sense why they're being considered for a high 1st round pick. Richardson feels like the usual wish fulfillment crap that happens once the seasons over and the workouts start happening.
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# ? Feb 22, 2023 21:01 |
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wandler20 posted:A lot nice throws into tight windows here: College Goff never possessed this kind of precision…
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Nothing beats accuracy for me. But that's only because it's pretty hard to scout processing speed
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Relentlessboredomm posted:he's going to be poo poo unless he goes and sits for three years with Andy Reid or Sean Payton and even then he'll still probably be poo poo. is Payton a guy who can develop QBs? who has he improved? genuine question, idk his history prior to NO. Romo?
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indigi posted:is Payton a guy who can develop QBs? who has he improved? genuine question, idk his history prior to NO. Romo? He was big on Romo before anyone else as I recall, but didn't stick around for when he was playing. He did get more out of Brees than his previous coaches did, but his previous coach was Marty Schottenheimer when he was any good and he did alright before getting hurt there. There's no reason not to believe he can develop a QB I guess? Jokes about absolutely loving him for no reason aside he got Taysom Hill up to...something or other when he actually had to play QB and it was something a little better than I expected. Got the most anyone could have hoped for out of Kerry Collins I guess?
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Diva Cupcake posted:It’s not a knock. I think Stroud is probably QB1 but again this class is all what you see and the type you like. Stroud's my favorite by a long shot even without Bryce Young size issues. It's just a shame I think he'll drop behind Levis after alls said and done. When he's on his ball placement is just beautiful.
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indigi posted:is Payton a guy who can develop QBs? who has he improved? genuine question, idk his history prior to NO. Romo? you've sent me down a sports reference hole here. 90s: In college he was OC for Miami (OH) and while they did okish the defense ran those teams from what I can tell. He got hired at Illinois as a QB coach for a 2-9 team that was 95th out of 111 in points per game. Then for some reason Ray Rhodes decided to hire him as a QB coach for the Eagles. He was responsible for both Ty and Koy Detmer with the Eagles, which is...not something you'd like to put on your coaching resume for the most part. And Bobby Hoying doing whatever Bobby Hoying did, which wasn't a lot. He overlooked Rodney Peete if he had any say in the matter who was a little better than all of those guys even if he was bad too. Then he went to the Giants for a few years, the Cowboys as assistant head coach/QB coach (who were surprisingly to me not awful while he was there--although their QBs certainly were), and finally the Saints. I am convinced taking Kerry Collins to a Super Bowl is the only reason we know this man's name. Lucking into a suddenly not injured anymore Drew Brees and running that poo poo into the ground was the icing on the cake. e: Random thing I noticed, he bounced to a different job right before both McNabb and Romo showed up, at least on the field for Romo. Grittybeard fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Feb 23, 2023 |
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Grittybeard posted:you've sent me down a sports reference hole here. Getting this out of Jameis Winston throwing to Marquez Calloway, TreQuan Smith and Deonte Hardyfor like 6 games is nearly HoF worthy by itself. People don’t give him credit for Brees but that was 100% a symbiotic relationship and I doubt Brees turns into a HoF QB without Payton. He adapted the offense a ton in Brees later years as his arm strength declined. https://mobile.twitter.com/minakimes/status/1620540487110381569
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Yeah I'm not saying he's bad really, I think he just eventually, somewhere, runs out of chances if that Giants stint didn't happen.
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Sean Payton made Jameis boring so he's bad IMO
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Payton's offense never evolved from quick hitting 3 route tree combinations with the occasional hand off after everyone backed up. Once the talent could do slant/go/deep post anymore it was over for him in New Orleans. I don't see how his offense fits Russell Wilson at all.
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