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theshim posted:Upgraded my gloves to have the temple mod and my belt to a stygian (and funnily enough that ended up being important because I lost a bunch of dex on the gloves which cost me a couple points of hit rate, so I got accuracy on the abyssal jewel to cap it out again). Probably not going to make too many more upgrades to this character, I'm definitely almost done with the league, but it's nice. I might try to scrape together enough cash for that big cluster as a last shot, though then I gotta figure out what points to cut. Woohoo progress 
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Feb 22, 2023 02:40
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How is the game lately? Last league I played was Ultimatum, which was about a year and a half back. I know there's quite a few changes over time since then including the flask rework. I'm considering jumping back in, in a few weeks ahead of the April expansion to get caught up.
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Feb 22, 2023 02:56
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Zotix posted:How is the game lately? Last league I played was Ultimatum, which was about a year and a half back. I know there's quite a few changes over time since then including the flask rework. I'm considering jumping back in, in a few weeks ahead of the April expansion to get caught up. the current league is widely considered one of the best ever
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Feb 22, 2023 03:02
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Though the league mechanic itself is not nearly as universally liked as the overall state of the game (see the big effortpost above which I entirely agree with), I also definitely agree that this is one of the best leagues ever.
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Feb 22, 2023 03:08
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hawowanlawow posted:the current league is widely considered one of the best ever think i saw something on reddit that it had beaten even Ritual in retention at one point https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/10mldpy/league_retention_performance_charts_place_sanctum/ this from the end of January has it ever so slightly behind Delirium and a bit further behind Ritual
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Feb 22, 2023 03:20
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I am glad there are some people enjoying Sanctum, because it might be my least favorite league I have ever played. I eagerly await the new league that might have a mechanic I enjoy.
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Feb 22, 2023 03:35
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graynull posted:I am glad there are some people enjoying Sanctum, because it might be my least favorite league I have ever played. I eagerly await the new league that might have a mechanic I enjoy. yeah the patch is great so I played a couple weeks but I hate sanctum so I gave up
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Feb 22, 2023 03:42
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I'm certain most people think it's the best ever just because of the death of Archnemesis rares after about a year of them tainting every league. The other half of it is just because they expanded on the atlas passives which were a hit. Ra Ra Rasputin fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Feb 22, 2023 |
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Feb 22, 2023 03:54
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:I'm certain most people think it's the best ever just because of the death of Archnemesis rares after about a year of them tainting every league. gotta admit it does feel good lol
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Feb 22, 2023 04:17
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GGG also basically ignored Reddit which was a big help
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Feb 22, 2023 04:18
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Sanctum passed ritual for my most played league, I played well past 40/40 and farmed up more currency than I've ever had. The buffs to spawn rates of league mechanics on the atlas tree was such a good change, and of course scrapping archnemesis which was warping the entire game around it. Sanctum itself I'd say is a mid tier league mechanic. It definitely punishes slow and tanky builds too much which is  in a game that already punishes slow and tanky builds too much. Now we get to see if GGG is gonna do their annual huge nerf league adjacent to diablo4 launch 
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Feb 22, 2023 04:50
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yeah we have talked about it a lot but archnemesis was definitely dogshit and the entire reason I skipped a couple leagues before this one
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Feb 22, 2023 04:53
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Maybe tomorrow I'll write my effortpost about how Archnemesis was good design and it just needed some tweaks to be great
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Feb 22, 2023 04:58
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Archnemesis was a bunch of great ideas that I would have liked to have seen work, but they kept making changes and they kept not working, so who knows if I would have ever seen it work so gently caress it I guess. And yeah I'm expecting to see poison SRS die and Arakaali's spiders die as collateral damage.
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Feb 22, 2023 05:08
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The Wonder Weapon posted:Maybe tomorrow I'll write my effortpost about how Archnemesis was good design and it just needed some tweaks to be great I liked archnemesis as a league mechanic, where it was a choose your own adventure while knowing that the outcomes could be absurd. The core idea of random rares being potentially thematic is about the only kernel worth saving from archnemesis. Unfortunately, it turns out that trying to apply 4 different random thematic archetypes all at once, in a game already struggling with visual clarity, tends to not work well.
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Feb 22, 2023 05:20
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I really liked playing in this league, and I played three characters to 98, but it wasn't because the league was extremely good. It's a combination of good timing (for me) and the historical precedent that the game may simply be very bad for an extended period of time, unexpectedly. Fear of missing out (on playable game time).
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Feb 22, 2023 05:31
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Clockwerk posted:I liked archnemesis as a league mechanic, where it was a choose your own adventure while knowing that the outcomes could be absurd. Yeah, it's that. Some of the AN mods were just too strong(empowered minions), or stacked too strongly together(all the ones that made mobs faster). This was fine when you were able to choose them. Not fine when they're random.
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Feb 22, 2023 06:29
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Bunch of these thoughts did cross my mind while playing Sanctum, although I personally enjoyed it and might play more at some point. I think why it works for me is precisely because it imposes such harsh additional requirements on a build. Instead of playing Overbearing Build X once again, I had to actually think a bit about what would work in there. It's Chess Boxing the league, dumb as a joke, but entertaining and different. Much like GGG's flailing attempts at balance, the idea is more to shake things up and drive players to try out new things. I definitely agree it scales poorly, as almost every bit of Extra Content does. However the fact that you can bank Sanctum encounters in T16 maps and run them wherever you want, is good. Probably unintentional, but there's a lesson to be learned here, more content should have adjustable difficulty. Only Delve allows you to choose the difficulty like this, and it's great there as well. I wouldn't mind more league gimmicks that are build discriminatory, but adjustable in how hard you want to engage them. Making this core is going to be hard. There were ideas thrown out that this would replace the labyrinth, and that's an awful idea the way Sanctum stands now. I really don't want to be forced to switch into a glass cannon to get my ascendancy points with every character. If it's just a side show, then whatever. Put some easy mode atlas passive nodes in the tree, there should be more of those anyway so I can play more lovely SSF gimmick builds.
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Feb 22, 2023 07:32
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StoryTime posted:Only Delve allows you to choose the difficulty like this, and it's great there as well. ehh, that's also the whole gimmick of the atlas tree
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Feb 22, 2023 07:37
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I haven't been playing for too long relative to a lot of people in here but I've got to ask, why is it expected for "slow and tanky" builds to be rewarded or viable? Outside of (in theory) boss killing (and there are probably better ways to do that in practice), there doesn't really seem to be any content or mechanic that encourages a slow and tanky playstyle. Was this not the case at some former point?
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Feb 22, 2023 07:43
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graynull posted:I am glad there are some people enjoying Sanctum, because it might be my least favorite league I have ever played. I eagerly await the new league that might have a mechanic I enjoy. Yeah I got bored really really really quickly this league, felt like standard because sanctum itself was not fun at all. goferchan posted:I haven't been playing for too long relative to a lot of people in here but I've got to ask, why is it expected for "slow and tanky" builds to be rewarded or viable? Outside of (in theory) boss killing (and there are probably better ways to do that in practice), there doesn't really seem to be any content or mechanic that encourages a slow and tanky playstyle. Was this not the case at some former point? It's not that players are asking for slow and tanky, it's that slowing the game down has been used by the designers as an excuse to kill builds/playstyles for literally years now. It definitely seems like a case of the left hand not talking to the right hand because they justify unpopular decisions with "slowing the game is good for its long-term trajectory" and then have entire league mechanics that are "just don't get hit" the league. Papercut fucked around with this message at 09:09 on Feb 22, 2023 |
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Feb 22, 2023 09:04
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goferchan posted:I haven't been playing for too long relative to a lot of people in here but I've got to ask, why is it expected for "slow and tanky" builds to be rewarded or viable? Outside of (in theory) boss killing (and there are probably better ways to do that in practice), there doesn't really seem to be any content or mechanic that encourages a slow and tanky playstyle. Was this not the case at some former point? hardcore mode
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Feb 22, 2023 09:09
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in which case they're viable because they're alive
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Feb 22, 2023 09:09
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I would like sanctum much more if there was a way to run it more than once per map, like maybe a drop you could find to open portals to your sanctum.
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Feb 22, 2023 09:09
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Umbreon posted:I would like sanctum much more if there was a way to run it more than once per map, like maybe a drop you could find to open portals to your sanctum. I would've come back to sanctum if they at any point had actually added interesting and/or fun boons/afflictions
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Feb 22, 2023 09:11
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Ofc it's not reasonable to have a league mechanic where your build does nothing, but imagine a sanctum where you have a completely different hero, built from scratch each new run (+relics). A real roguelite built using PoE as a core e: also bring back Descent
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Feb 22, 2023 09:16
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dyzzy posted:e: also bring back Descent
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Feb 22, 2023 09:33
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I'm bummed out that tempest shield and stormshroud work how they're supposed to and not how I want them to.
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Feb 22, 2023 09:58
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dyzzy posted:Ofc it's not reasonable to have a league mechanic where your build does nothing, but imagine a sanctum where you have a completely different hero, built from scratch each new run (+relics). A real roguelite built using PoE as a core I have a feeling they didn't do fun poo poo because they didn't want to make the non-sanctum gameplay feel bad.
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Feb 22, 2023 16:33
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yeah you can't make any one thing too good or people will whine incessantly about fomo
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Feb 22, 2023 16:37
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They could have done really crazy poo poo with relics but stuck to affixes they already used. I guess they were modifiable but that was real endgame poo poo
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Feb 22, 2023 16:38
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Oh poo poo I never put an invocation on my frenzy relic. lmao
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Feb 22, 2023 17:04
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They did a good job with invocations and making them tradable. When I first saw the previews of a corrupted relic with ghost dance on it I immediately thought it was gonna be onslaught boots 2.0 where nobody was going to get one. Happy to be wrong about that.
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Feb 22, 2023 17:12
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goferchan posted:I haven't been playing for too long relative to a lot of people in here but I've got to ask, why is it expected for "slow and tanky" builds to be rewarded or viable? Outside of (in theory) boss killing (and there are probably better ways to do that in practice), there doesn't really seem to be any content or mechanic that encourages a slow and tanky playstyle. Was this not the case at some former point? Back in the bad old days of open beta, when the skill tree was much more boring, the Scion was in development and the game ended after temple Piety, the player power level was really, really low so tankiness was more important. Kaom's Heart and Shavronne's Wrappings were big-ticket items and the room-clearing abilities of a mid-tier modern build were relegated to the ultra rich. It was a legitimately worse game back then in many ways and while I like the idea of slow and tanky builds being better rewarded that ship sailed a decade ago for POE.
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Feb 22, 2023 17:16
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Last Epoch is trying to do something pretty unique about item economy in ARPGs: https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/trade-development-update-introducing-merchants-guild-and-circle-of-fortune-factions/51994 basically you align yourself with the "trade" faction or the "no trade" faction. pretty obvious stuff: higher "trade" rep means you can trade more powerful items, but items drop at lower power. higher "no trade" rep means items drop at higher power, but you can't trade em, you can flip between factions at will. item drops will be tagged with whichever faction you're at right now and you can only use them when you're in that faction. additionally they'll keep the current basic trading system (you can always trade fresh item drops with a characters in your current dungeon/play session) plus there's a semi-rare item that'll let you trade any item to long-time friends ('long-time' TBD) its a kind of goofy and overly complicated system but poo poo. at least they are trying!!
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Feb 22, 2023 17:20
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That's a weird idea and I'm all for it Did they put out multiplayer yet?
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Feb 22, 2023 17:31
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so basically it's "SSF mode, but with drops balanced for SSF"? 
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Feb 22, 2023 17:35
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I liked sanctum a lot overall and the concept of its big chase item being gated behind a high challenge mode is a good one. That challenge being mostly solved by overwhelming dps instead of requiring good play is disappointing, but I guess that's the way most endgame stuff goes.
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Feb 22, 2023 17:36
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This entire genre of games is about progressing from a wasteman eating dirt on a shore into HAR HAR YOUR GOD BEAM TICKLES MY FACE VERY LIGHTLY, so Sanctum was a fun diversion.Truga posted:so basically it's "SSF mode, but with drops balanced for SSF"? Seems like an idea worth exploring!
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Feb 22, 2023 17:55
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Truga posted:so basically it's "SSF mode, but with drops balanced for SSF"? approximately: your characters can switch between SSF and Trade modes at will. When you're in SSF mode, items can drop with SSF-boosted stats, but then those items are SSF tagged and you can only equip them when you're in SSF mode. Items you get from trading are Trade tagged and can't be equipped in SSF mode. The modes seem properly built out. Trade will have asynchrous options and SSF will have item-chasing options if you want to target a specific unique, for example. since your characters can go back and forth whenever you want i think it's a really clever way to have it both ways, and importantly they've built a couple workarounds for trading directly with your longtime friends.
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Feb 22, 2023 18:37
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