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sinky
Feb 22, 2011



Slippery Tilde

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Whoever develops software that can automatically detect AI-written text and filter it out is going to make bank.

It will be the same people that make the AI text generators :ssh:

Sorry, you gotta pay the 'actually written by a person (65%~ confidence)' tax.

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withoutclass
Nov 6, 2007

Resist the siren call of rhinocerosness

College Slice
The internet already feels like 90% of it is made up of garbage anyway, I'm not sure AI written spam blogs are going to harm it that much.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


withoutclass posted:

The internet already feels like 90% of it is made up of garbage anyway, I'm not sure AI written spam blogs are going to harm it that much.

I had a little chuckle thinking that the writers of places like Ars Technica might be really worried about even the shittiest AI writing better articles than the crap they spew out.

withoutclass
Nov 6, 2007

Resist the siren call of rhinocerosness

College Slice

Humphreys posted:

I had a little chuckle thinking that the writers of places like Ars Technica might be really worried about even the shittiest AI writing better articles than the crap they spew out.

I think you've identified the true source of AI fear mongering lol.

CmdrRiker
Apr 8, 2016

You dismally untalented little creep!

I'm far more worried about the psychological and cultural impacts of the spooky normalization of AI than the carbon impact of it.

Also waiting for the inevitable story of someone trying to marry ChatGPT.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

got those happy feet

Epic High Five posted:

I think it can be useful, I just don't think it will be, and I think this strongly enough that I don't feel compelled to pretend it's going to be doing anything but clogging stuff up and putting people out of work and into precarity.

Its limited genuinely useful deployments will be overwhelmingly overshadowed by the very real and in your face everyday bad kind, with the genuinely horrible and evil deployments either whitewashed or hidden away from public eyes entirely like the training data. The time to avoid this is probably already past, and more likely it's going to get 100x worse before anybody ostensibly charged with regulating these things wakes from their slumber to do the equivalent of bagholder crushing.

If we create something sentient we'll probably never know because we don't already have xenopsychologists with 50 years experience in their field. I'm talking if/then structures.

AI is already used for all kinds of stuff from image processing in smart phones to mail sorting. It's just that, as someone else observed, once useful tech catches on, people stop calling it AI.

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!
The photo stuff really bugs me. I don't mind phones using AI, but they try and pass it off as just the camera being great. Why not just be honest, have a button, AI enhance.

That viral clip of the Samsung galaxy 22 ultra zooming into the moon really annoyed me.

shoeberto
Jun 13, 2020

which way to the MACHINES?

Humphreys posted:

I had a little chuckle thinking that the writers of places like Ars Technica might be really worried about even the shittiest AI writing better articles than the crap they spew out.

Plenty of tech news places will be blown out of existence by this, but I'm not sure Ars is specifically a good example?

cat botherer
Jan 6, 2022

I am interested in most phases of data processing.

shoeberto posted:

Plenty of tech news places will be blown out of existence by this, but I'm not sure Ars is specifically a good example?
Yeah Ars is actually pretty good, the best tech news place IMO. They don't get into crazy fear mongering like most outlets.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

got those happy feet

Mega Comrade posted:

The photo stuff really bugs me. I don't mind phones using AI, but they try and pass it off as just the camera being great. Why not just be honest, have a button, AI enhance.

That viral clip of the Samsung galaxy 22 ultra zooming into the moon really annoyed me.

It's not just enhancement. They take a series of photos bracketed differently and stack them, using AI to compensate for small movements. Same concept for all the night vision features.

I'm not familiar with this moon video.

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


cat botherer posted:

Yeah Ars is actually pretty good, the best tech news place IMO. They don't get into crazy fear mongering like most outlets.

I mean, I guess, as long as we accept that "best tech news place" is damning with extremely faint praise. "Biggest mouse", "fastest sloth", etc.

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!

Blue Footed Booby posted:

It's not just enhancement. They take a series of photos bracketed differently and stack them, using AI to compensate for small movements. Same concept for all the night vision features.

I'm not familiar with this moon video.

https://twitter.com/MKBHD/status/1622780208234233856?s=20

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
Remember when it was a sign of cutting-edge tech to have a small cellphone? Now, all the new smartphones are loving giant. I don't want to make a phone call on my tablet, you wankers! I have a tablet for tablet things, I want a phone for phone things.

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!
I spent days trying to find a phone that was good and small enough for my wife to use one handed.

Eventually I told her sorry, the industry just hates you and your tiny hands.

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

They can fight us
But they'll never Beetus
I like when my phone takes various pictures of my cats and makes little photo collages for me. That's a good use of AI I think.

Amphigory
Feb 6, 2005




PT6A posted:

Remember when it was a sign of cutting-edge tech to have a small cellphone? Now, all the new smartphones are loving giant. I don't want to make a phone call on my tablet, you wankers! I have a tablet for tablet things, I want a phone for phone things.

My mate got a tiny phone just before the whole big smart phone trend started

It was some sort of dumb phone and we were all incredibly impressed that it could fit in the little coin pocket in his jeans

Amphigory
Feb 6, 2005




But if you do want a tiny smart phone now just get on Ali Express:

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Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!
The next big thing seems to be folding phones. And they are even bigger.

LASER BEAM DREAM
Nov 3, 2005

Oh, what? So now I suppose you're just going to sit there and pout?

Mega Comrade posted:

I spent days trying to find a phone that was good and small enough for my wife to use one handed.

Eventually I told her sorry, the industry just hates you and your tiny hands.

Is the iPhone SE too big for her? I keep one as a spare and it feels like a toy now.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



They have to rename it because "digital zoom" is a killing word to prosumers who are the market for a new $1500 phone every 2 years.

As mentioned a few posts above, anything too small to fit 23 cameras each with a different sensor is an ancient relic of a bygone era, which is why I know at least 1 person whose plan is to ride their tiny little iPhone until it doesn't work anymore, and then replace it with a used model until there aren't any anymore. I can't say anything because that's how I was with my Kindle for like 10 years. A huge phone is annoying sometimes but not a big deal, though my S8+ probably qualifies as mid-sized as this point.

CmdrRiker posted:

I'm far more worried about the psychological and cultural impacts of the spooky normalization of AI than the carbon impact of it.

Also waiting for the inevitable story of someone trying to marry ChatGPT.

This is, far and away from anything else, my greatest fear as well, but it's hard to get people to give a poo poo about it so I stick to tangible stuff like the material impacts of computing clusters being dedicated to a new layer of consensus manufacturing on top of a big mountain of wasted energy dedicated to the cause. Atomization and precarity are going to be automated now like never before and the social impacts are going to be immense, and they're already really bad.

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010

I like how there's a hint of un curiosity in the post of "I dont know who needs or wants to take a pic of the moon".

also maybe the real Musk posted "wow" on that, lol at a real life ironmanrick not getting this isnt a real pic or how real life astro photography works. Oh and once again some dumbass muskrat stan going "you(musk) should do a collab with Samsung to revolutionize space pics!!1"

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

I got an Iphone mini for my partner and it seems about the same size as the previous Iphone 7. It's a good size and does the job.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

Electric Wrigglies posted:

I got an Iphone mini for my partner and it seems about the same size as the previous Iphone 7. It's a good size and does the job.

Unlike the above mentioned cheapo AliExpress phone it probably doesn't ran out of storage after installing a single app, too. Sadly non-crap small Android phones doesn't seem to be a very targeted market.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

shoeberto posted:

Plenty of tech news places will be blown out of existence by this, but I'm not sure Ars is specifically a good example?

Hasn't cnet been using AI to create articles for a little while now?

Owling Howl
Jul 17, 2019

Evil Fluffy posted:

Hasn't cnet been using AI to create articles for a little while now?

Pretty sure a lot of sports articles have been generated for a while. As in a game has been played and the teams, score, who scored what when, penalties etc is all known and logged somewhere. Then a computer reformats that data into a generic news article. I would suppose it's also done for business news when earnings reports and whatnot comes out.

Sagacity
May 2, 2003
Hopefully my epitaph will be funnier than my custom title.

Mega Comrade posted:

The next big thing seems to be folding phones. And they are even bigger.
"It folds into a cube!"

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010

Owling Howl posted:

Pretty sure a lot of sports articles have been generated for a while. As in a game has been played and the teams, score, who scored what when, penalties etc is all known and logged somewhere. Then a computer reformats that data into a generic news article. I would suppose it's also done for business news when earnings reports and whatnot comes out.

madlibs articles is also done for obits.

which leads to fun things like when these filler docs are leaked.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Pre-writing articles about games is an ancient tradition, to the point that the writers will joke about having to re-write the piece they'd already finished after a big upset. It's financial news that probably already is, and certainly will be the first target for just having a machine poo poo it all out. If you want ones that may be written by humans you can pay eleventy gorillon dollars a month for a computer with a dumb keyboard sort of thing.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Epic High Five posted:

Pre-writing articles about games is an ancient tradition, to the point that the writers will joke about having to re-write the piece they'd already finished after a big upset. It's financial news that probably already is, and certainly will be the first target for just having a machine poo poo it all out. If you want ones that may be written by humans you can pay eleventy gorillon dollars a month for a computer with a dumb keyboard sort of thing.

My favorite is how they have apparel made for both teams playing in championship games so that the winners can have the merchandise on as soon as the game ends and then whomever loses ends up having their stuff donated to needed countries. So you have villages in Africa where someone's going to be wearing "Eagles Superbowl LIV Champions" t-shirts and such.

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
Dewey Beats Truman but sports.


Also on a similar note, I love how the telegraph or phones had a few years of rocking the boat where sports betting and news papers lobbied together to ban that fancy new telecom tech from disrupting their information gate keeping.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

OddObserver posted:

Unlike the above mentioned cheapo AliExpress phone it probably doesn't ran out of storage after installing a single app, too. Sadly non-crap small Android phones doesn't seem to be a very targeted market.

The mini size has been eliminated from the most recent generation of iPhone. I agree that it is/was a good size, but it's gone now.

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

PT6A posted:

The mini size has been eliminated from the most recent generation of iPhone. I agree that it is/was a good size, but it's gone now.

ahhh really? That's a bit poo poo.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Electric Wrigglies posted:

ahhh really? That's a bit poo poo.

Yes, hence my complaints on the topic.

Hopefully they re-introduce it in a later generation but I wouldn't hold my breath. I see a lot of people with the 12 Mini, and we all agree it's a great size, so it can't be lack of demand causing the problem.

cat botherer
Jan 6, 2022

I am interested in most phases of data processing.

Epic High Five posted:

Pre-writing articles about games is an ancient tradition, to the point that the writers will joke about having to re-write the piece they'd already finished after a big upset. It's financial news that probably already is, and certainly will be the first target for just having a machine poo poo it all out. If you want ones that may be written by humans you can pay eleventy gorillon dollars a month for a computer with a dumb keyboard sort of thing.
https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1567908064220569600?lang=en
(run a few hours before public confirmation when rumors were swirling)

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

got those happy feet

PT6A posted:

Yes, hence my complaints on the topic.

Hopefully they re-introduce it in a later generation but I wouldn't hold my breath. I see a lot of people with the 12 Mini, and we all agree it's a great size, so it can't be lack of demand causing the problem.

I think it's like why companies stopped selling small cars in America: it's not just whether they're selling; it's whether customers' #2 choice is the same make but a model with a higher profit margin.

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

PT6A posted:

Remember when it was a sign of cutting-edge tech to have a small cellphone? Now, all the new smartphones are loving giant. I don't want to make a phone call on my tablet, you wankers! I have a tablet for tablet things, I want a phone for phone things.

Phones are differentiated on various things, like size, but also things like power, performance, and battery life. Smaller phones have smaller SoCs, and have less room for battery storage. Meanwhile, the screens themselves actually drain much less power than you would think; live wallpapers became a thing when people realized that the battery cost to render simple ones was negligible, and they looked neat. This is to say nothing about the benefits of a larger screen; crisp video playback with less eyestrain from a tiny screen, fancier interfaces due to more available real estate, more precise touch targets, etc

A smaller phone will still have many of the requirements of a larger one, such as minimum storage for the OS and apps, various sensor packages, front and rear facing cameras, minimum processing power and RAM for the OS, frequent network connectivity, etc. A phone with 1/3 the battery may still use the same amount of power. Unless you're willing to use a phone that has the battery life of one day, or one which barely seems able to do anything, it's unlikely that you'll accept a device with these constraints.

That said, I really miss the form factor of my Nexus 7 tablet, it was absolutely perfect for bedtime use

Epic High Five posted:

They have to rename it because "digital zoom" is a killing word to prosumers who are the market for a new $1500 phone every 2 years.

Well yes, because "digital zoom" has meant "we crop the image, then resize it with simple upscaling" for decades. This is something different.

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!
I'm very curious what a '100x zoom' on a person looks like. The moon is pretty easy for an AI to generate. They suck at humans.

I wonder if people are getting confused zooming into their children on sports day and wondering why they look hosed up and have 6 fingers.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



cat botherer posted:

https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1567908064220569600?lang=en
(run a few hours before public confirmation when rumors were swirling)

A game...of thrones.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Mega Comrade posted:

I'm very curious what a '100x zoom' on a person looks like. The moon is pretty easy for an AI to generate. They suck at humans.

I wonder if people are getting confused zooming into their children on sports day and wondering why they look hosed up and have 6 fingers.
A blob of skin tone
I have the 100x zoom phone.

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Old Surly
Dec 8, 2004

and all of your troubles are solved and gone

Owling Howl posted:

Pretty sure a lot of sports articles have been generated for a while. As in a game has been played and the teams, score, who scored what when, penalties etc is all known and logged somewhere. Then a computer reformats that data into a generic news article. I would suppose it's also done for business news when earnings reports and whatnot comes out.

Yeah, if you play fantasy football you know the deal. The weekly wrap up article is AI garbage. Good job PLAYER1 this week your RUNNING BACKS out performed their estimated RUNYARDS.

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