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8one6
May 20, 2012

When in doubt, err on the side of Awesome!

Parkingtigers posted:

Quantumania is the perfect example of a comic book movie that is just like an average 3 issue run from an ongoing series. The title character comes in, there's a villain of the arc, and the hero wins at the end. Repeat for 30 years.

The only issue is that with the MCU etc you only get to make *at most* a trilogy of films and a couple of team-ups so you can only really play the hits...

The problem is the Ant-Man comics don't really have any hits.

Well, I guess there is the one...

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Barry Convex
Sep 1, 2005

Think of the good things, Pim! The good things!

Like Jesus, candy, and crackerjacks! Ice cream and cake and lots o'laffs!
Grandma, Grandpa, and Uncle Joe! Larry, Curly, and brother Moe!
oof

https://twitter.com/__ChrisLee/status/1628443552580792320

quote:

In terms of priority, Wakanda Forever was definitely at the top of the list. All the money went to that. All the best resources went to that. It’s understandable given the context — with Chadwick and everything and how well the first film did. But it did diminish the ability to carry Ant-Man all the way through.

For Ant-Man, there were a lot of editorial changes happening toward the latter third and fourth of the project that were just too late. There’s a point of no return. Why certain things were changed, why certain notes were nitpicked longer than they should have been — that’s on Marvel. But it definitely did cause a lot of tension, turmoil, and weight on everybody at [company name redacted].

Unfortunately, it is noticeable that there were shortcuts. Certain things were used to cover up incomplete work. Certain editorial cuts were made to not show as much action or effects as there could have been — likely because there just wasn’t enough time to render everything. There was a lot of shortening and rolling of shots (rolling is when you don’t shorten or lengthen a shot — you just move it a few frames in the cut). It really did feel like certain scenes were trimmed or otherwise altered to either save money, save time, or cover up the inability to get it done.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."
Which is wild, because Quantumania looked like 97% CGI on screen.

Parkingtigers
Feb 23, 2008
TARGET CONSUMER
LOVES EVERY FUCKING GAME EVER MADE. EVER.
Yeah, apart from that one "desert" scene in Quantumania which has 2002 music video levels of obvious green screen, it all looks much better than Wakanda Forever.

Codependent Poster
Oct 20, 2003

Outside of MODOK looking kind of bad in a couple places I didn't think the CGI was bad in Quantumania.

Joe Fisto
Dec 6, 2002

And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.

Codependent Poster posted:

Outside of MODOK looking kind of bad in a couple places I didn't think the CGI was bad in Quantumania.

Bro you’re supposed to hate the MCU now, it’s what’s cool.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


Codependent Poster posted:

Outside of MODOK looking kind of bad in a couple places I didn't think the CGI was bad in Quantumania.

Yeah, it looked a little generic but it all looked good at least. Certainly nothing like Axl's flying head

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

Fallen Rib

This is going to sound very callous but at this point does anyone really care about this? Yes CGI artists are overworked and given poo poo assignments (a good friend of mine works CGI and the horror stories he tells makes me wonder why anyone would want to work for CGI studios at all) but people will still see the movies regardless of the working condition of CGI artists or how wonky the CGI is. It isn't a deterrent, just something that would get blamed on the artists themselves.

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


That’s a shame they focused on WF because AntMan was good and WF was not very good, outside of Namor and Angela Bassett.

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!
Ant Man would have won Oscars if Kevin didn't send the CGIers to shrink Namor's package.

chibi luda
Apr 17, 2013

Madkal posted:

This is going to sound very callous but at this point does anyone really care about this?

Yeah you might care if you're not an embarrassing consoomer manchild lmao

Holy poo poo dude

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!
The actual VFX artist interviews seem like fairly standard "yeah we had to work under constraints like in any other project", the article writer puts a lot of editorialising on top.


quote:

My experience on Quantumania was comparable to the majority of productions we [VFX specialists] work on and, therefore, not especially bad or difficult. I wouldn’t say other projects necessarily took priority or that morale was particularly bad (although one of my co-workers actually became unhappy because of the lack of work he was given on that movie — he spent days on standby only to end up doing nothing, and this went on for months). Our working conditions are often less than ideal, and Quantumania was just another in a long line.

Anyway. Better working conditions and clearer instructions is one thing, but I don't think it's right to rag on using "shortcuts" in VFX and demand infinite resources to achieve perfect visual quality. Not every movie needs to be Avatar 2.

Fangz fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Feb 23, 2023

Soonmot
Dec 19, 2002

Entrapta fucking loves robots




Grimey Drawer

Fangz posted:

Not every movie needs to be Avatar 2.

Yeah other movies need to actually have an effect on pop culture

BrianWilly
Apr 24, 2007

There is no homosexual terrorist Johnny Silverhand
I think Avatar 2's effect on pop culture is being that thing that everyone noticed had no effect on pop culture :xd:

Soonmot
Dec 19, 2002

Entrapta fucking loves robots




Grimey Drawer
again lol. I had actually forgotten about it until the articles baout it surpassing titantic's box office started popping up.

Sentinel Red
Nov 13, 2007
Style > Content.
It’s wild to me as I only know one person who bothered to see it, and they thought it was bobbins. Yet, like its predecessor, it’s an absolute juggernaut. Can’t ever bet against ol’ Jimmy, I just wish he’d make something I might give a poo poo about, last/only film of his I saw at a cinema was T2.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to
I figure the next Avengers movie is going to feature a lot of going around collecting people by either Sam or Carol, or maybe even Scott as he will probably have the only direct knowledge of Kang other than Loki and he's popping up knocking on the Sanctum door going hey Mr Magic, shits going down like him in Endgame. It possible Kang changes the timline but like anyone that was directly exposed to infinity stones (so like everyone who took part in the final battle in endgame) can detect these changes, but only Scott knows what's going on.

Thinking more thats too much of a rehash but making Strange try to recruit people and failing because he comes off way too dramatic for everyone and Wong having to smooth things over would be amusing.

Cassie is fine, and yea in a Young Avengers style group she'd be good with other young people to bounce off. Though at this point, it seems like that team will be A Force because they have no young male heroes on screen yet. Isaiah was on screen but we don't know if he has any powers yet.

twistedmentat fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Feb 23, 2023

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

There's Skaar!

Honestly I think they spent enough time putting the concept of Wiccan and Speed into the universe that they'll still try to have them show up. Heck, maybe Secret Invasion will somehow cough up a Hulkling. Plus this is the perfect time for a team to just have an Iron Lad go on with no mention of how exactly.

theironjef fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Feb 23, 2023

Codependent Poster
Oct 20, 2003

I'm guessing we'll get Elijah's origin during the next Captain America since Isaiah is supposed to be in it.

Spider-Man is also young enough where you could put him into the group.

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch

theironjef posted:

Plus this is the perfect time for a team to just have an Iron Lad go on with no mention of how exactly.

ngl it would be kinda funny to see Disney use deaging on someone who's only in their early 30s

i would very much like to see strange eat poo poo in the next avengers movie and hero Wong becomes a main team member

site fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Feb 23, 2023

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1628841597331808258

woooooo

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Invincible Marvel crossover confirmed

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

He's awesome so that's great news.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."
I see a few replies implying he’s The Sentry. Where’s that coming from?

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster

The_Doctor posted:

I see a few replies implying he’s The Sentry. Where’s that coming from?

Wild speculation.

The only info is that the character is "unnamed" and "significant to the Thunderbolts and going forward."

Jamesman
Nov 19, 2004

"First off, let me start by saying curly light blond hair does not suit Hyomin at all. Furthermore,"
Fun Shoe
I see people saying Amadeus Cho because he's Korean, but I think Yeun's too old for the character.

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
Please do not let it be sentry lol

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



I guess he can't be Citizen V since making a Korean person a literal Nazi would be a bad look.

Joe Fisto
Dec 6, 2002

And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.
Fingers crossed it isn't "government guy" aka Everett Ross v2.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

I've got five bucks riding on Fixer.

Codependent Poster
Oct 20, 2003

site posted:

Please do not let it be sentry lol

There's been a lot of rumors that Sentry is the threat the Thunderbolts have to take out

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Sentry is on such a higher power level than almost any of the Thunderbolts (that have been announced, anyway)

Right now it's Yelena Belova Black Widow, Red Guardian, Ghost, Taskmaster, US Agent, Winter Soldier, and (I assume) Red Hulk

That's pretty weak to face off against a character who is basically MCU Superman

Jamesman
Nov 19, 2004

"First off, let me start by saying curly light blond hair does not suit Hyomin at all. Furthermore,"
Fun Shoe

FlamingLiberal posted:

Sentry is on such a higher power level than almost any of the Thunderbolts (that have been announced, anyway)

Right now it's Yelena Belova Black Widow, Red Guardian, Ghost, Taskmaster, US Agent, Winter Soldier, and (I assume) Red Hulk

That's pretty weak to face off against a character who is basically MCU Superman

Do any of those characters have a mom with the same name as Sentry's mom? That could be the advantage.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Parkingtigers posted:

We're all entitled to our own opinions, and I do my best to respect others and live and let live, but I can't let this slander go. The kid was super great, and I can't wait to see her in a team-up with gal pals Kate and Yelena.

She was stiff and fairly one note, put that to scripting or acting choices but it was pretty stark.

Codependent Poster
Oct 20, 2003

FlamingLiberal posted:

Sentry is on such a higher power level than almost any of the Thunderbolts (that have been announced, anyway)

Right now it's Yelena Belova Black Widow, Red Guardian, Ghost, Taskmaster, US Agent, Winter Soldier, and (I assume) Red Hulk

That's pretty weak to face off against a character who is basically MCU Superman

That's what would make it pretty interesting, though. How would they handle that?

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

I don't like it when you're watching me eat.

Codependent Poster posted:

That's what would make it pretty interesting, though. How would they handle that?

Poorly. At least Superman has weakness to Kryptonie and vulnerability to magic, so there's avenues to pursue.

Sentry just has paranoia, DID and emotional instability, and if you try and pull on any of those threads too hard you end up having to deal with the Void, and that's even worse.

Unless the real power on display turns out to be how therapy helped would help everyone deal with their PTSD, because *gestures at the Thunderbolts lineup*

Tell me that they are not the poster children for "GET THERAPY, PLEASE"

Codependent Poster
Oct 20, 2003

I'm always a sucker for "heroes battle someone who is way out of their league" stories. Spider-Man has tons of them and most of those stories are great!

live with fruit
Aug 15, 2010

KurdtLives posted:

It is not so much her but the rest of the cast seems strong, although Rudd had some flat line readings. I know this is probably the most greenscreeny/The Volumey filming this cast has done so maybe Rudd and Newton were put off by it. Newton seemed like a take or two away from being peak but it wasn't like she was a Star Wars Prequel actor.

Newton was fine (she's basically playing her Halt and Catch Fire character again) but Cassie wasn't well written. All of her character development went on screen during the Blip so we didn't see it but also the MCU has wasted the Blip so it doesn't pull its weight enough. And she's randomly another super genius?

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.

There's still room for surprise Thunderbolts. The ones we know are the ones who were already established in the MCU. I would be pretty surprised if they didn't find a way to work Zemo into this considering Bucky is there and I have to think Moonstone is a real possibility. There's also always wild speculation ideas like that silly Venom nonsense from No Way Home resulting in a Mac Gargan Venom or something.

And if they did do Sentry he could easily be a Thunderbolt. Like I dunno. We have no idea what the story is here.

Endless Mike posted:

I guess he can't be Citizen V since making a Korean person a literal Nazi would be a bad look.

Isn't Citizen V already in the MCU?

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Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Felt bad about Ant Man everything Cassie jabbed him about missing for 5 yrs. Pretty sure it wasn't his fault and most ppl are dealing with the same issue? How old is she supposed to be again, in her early 20s?

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