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cheesetriangles posted:I've played all the DLC multiple times except Lonesome Road which I only played once. It's weird how we got Dead Money the best DLC ever made for any game in the same game as Lonesome Road. Reported. I love the diversity of opinion ITT about the DLCs. New Vegas is like a favorite book. Every playthrough and every conversation about the game brings some new facet to light. "Desert island" game, for sure. Anyways, the best DLC is the Resistance campaign for Operation: Flashpoint.
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I tried to avoid this but fine. Dead Money > Lonesome Road > Old World Blues >>>>>>> Honest Hearts.
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Feb 22, 2023 17:22
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HH has the greatest disparity between what it could be and what it actually is. The story is great regarding Daniel and Joshua, but every single other part is boring nonsense. Zion is an ugly looking mess of locations to stick the dozens of fetch quests that make up the storyline, the encounter design is completely uninspired and the loot isn't even very good.
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Feb 22, 2023 17:27
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Arivia posted:I tried to avoid this but fine. Dead Money > Lonesome Road > Old World Blues >>>>>>> Honest Hearts. I'd almost reverse that, so we'll agree to disagree there. LR would climb up if I could figure out a way to split a playthrough where chunks of LR are done in between parts of the main story.
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Feb 22, 2023 17:29
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Old World Blues has the most content for "loving about" but I kinda wish more of it was integrated into proper sidequests instead of just exploration and fetch quests. Half the places you only visit while looking for upgrades to the Sink. The locations connected to Dead Money are super cool though.
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Feb 22, 2023 17:32
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Honest Hearts inspired me to go to the actual Zion National Park so it's clearly the best DLC imo
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Feb 22, 2023 17:36
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madeintaipei posted:I'd almost reverse that, so we'll agree to disagree there. Don’t forget you can literally just leave the Divide whenever you want. Ulysses is fine with you turning tail.
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Feb 22, 2023 17:36
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OWB>>DM>HH>>>>>>LR. Old World Blues is the greatest video gaming open world experience ever made. Dead Money is linear, but the storyline is loving amazing and the characters are unforgettable. Honest Hearts gets a lot of flack for being racist but I think it's a pretty coherent critique of white saviorism as a mindset, but maybe that's my JSawyer fan side jumping out. Lonesome Road is god awful. Ulysses was hyped to be this amazing character, and they gave him such a good backstory for it, but once he's actually talking to you he's about as exciting as a plank. The ED-E backstory poo poo was nonsensical and I could hardly follow it as I was playing through the first time, I had to look it all up later and it still felt shoehorned in. It's completely linear with a hosed difficulty curve making it impossible if you're underleveled and trivial if you're at an adequate level. And anybody with a brain could see the heroic sacrifice ending coming a mile away... which ends up not mattering at all, because you've got another ED-E back in the Mojave! Not to mention the weapons and armor completely outclass anything you'd get back in the Mojave (Gun Runner's Arsenal gear aside), so once you've run through LR it's a cakewalk to the ending which is only a few minutes away regardless because it's the last DLC and you're right up against the Hoover Dam battle anyway. So boring. Oh, and LR didn't get a cool intro either. What was up with that? The endings slides sucked too. The slideshows were so loving hype for the first three DLCs, why didn't LR get one??
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Feb 22, 2023 17:38
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And if there was a DLC that needed a slide show to set up the stakes, it was LR. I never got past the "wait, why should I care about any of this" stage
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Feb 22, 2023 17:42
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Oh and let's not forget the DLC making huge character background choices for you. It was the first Fallout game to not establish an early life for your character, and then Ulysses comes out with all this lore you had no idea existed? After a point telling Uly "I HAVE NO IDEA WHO YOU ARE! I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!" was annoying.
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Feb 22, 2023 17:44
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steinrokkan posted:And if there was a DLC that needed a slide show to set up the stakes, it was LR. I never got past the "wait, why should I care about any of this" stage Yeah it’s a notable omission. Hearing Ulysses’ challenge works okay, but it’s hard to do in game. I settled for watching the trailer of all things, which got it across well.
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Feb 22, 2023 17:45
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I think the rule is everyone has a DLC they love, two they think are good, and one they hate, but which DLC fit where changes by the person. I actually think that's impressive, it kind of shows they appealed to different preferences. Youremother posted:Oh and let's not forget the DLC making huge character background choices for you. It was the first Fallout game to not establish an early life for your character, and then Ulysses comes out with all this lore you had no idea existed? After a point telling Uly "I HAVE NO IDEA WHO YOU ARE! I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!" was annoying. This being a great example, since I actually liked that Lonesome Road fleshed out my character's backstory.
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Feb 22, 2023 17:46
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That is accounting for taste, because I tend to make pretty fleshed out characters in my mind when I play games like this and having a bunch of lore dropped on me that contradicted my character's imagined backstory bugged the hell out of me.
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Feb 22, 2023 17:48
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When they came out, i would have put OWB first and Dead Money last, but as the years have went on (this game is nearly 15 years old, and 40 is no longer some far off age for me  ) i've come to appreciate Dead Money more and more for it's atmosphere and characters- but gently caress that last section before getting into the vault.In contrast, some of the more lol monkeycheese writing in OWB grates me more and more, and i find that it's a real slog to navigate past waves of endlessly respawning damage sponges. Thats being said, they're still #1 and #2 for me- I hate Ulysses, and Honest Hearts has plenty of it's own issues
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Feb 22, 2023 18:06
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Honest Hearts' problem is mostly that there are no good reasons to back Daniel's "plan". The conversations between many of the characters even reinforce that Daniel's plan is dumb: the NCR and Caesar's Legion are "tribes" just as the New Canaanite affiliated ones and the White Legs. Would it make any sense for the NCR to flee forever from the encroaching Legion? So, yeah, chalk me up for worst:average:best as HH:LR-DM:OWB. But they're all heads and shoulders above the FO:3 DLCs.
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Feb 22, 2023 18:26
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It's hard for me to pin down absolute favs vs. hates because my arguable favorite, Lonesome Road, is still dragged down by the forced backstory and Ulysses being a tedious character in general (though it did make it satisfying to gib him in the end) plus how tacked on and dumb the tunnelers or w/e they're called are. But I otherwise loved it as an atmospheric endgame dungeon crawl with tons of secrets and loot and such. Meanwhile my absolute least favorite is Dead Money, but I like aspects of Dog/God, Christine, the first half's structure of assembling a team to break into the casino, the creepy part where the Vera holograms are repeating her last words over and over. But then Elijah is another tedious supervillain (though again, quite satisfying to gently caress over), Dean Domino is unbelievably, cartoonishly pigheaded, the DLC practically screams its theme at you as loud as possible, the ghost people make no sense and their gimmick is pointless, and the holograms are at best an interesting diversion but at worst annoying to deal with. The villa area is obnoxious between the samey, mazey layout plus low visibility and then the collar and fog gimmicks on top. OWB is probably the most well-rounded of the bunch, though the tone can sometimes go too far (or suddenly way too hard in the complete opposite direction in the case of the interment camp), the robo-scorpions are pretty infamous for their tankiness, the bigger stakes are rather vague, and the exploration feels odd sometimes due to the lack of quests and Ulysses letting you know he got there first. Oh yeah, and the weird teleporting enemy spawns that bog certain areas down. Honest Hearts was, as said, let down by the engine not doing Zion justice, the quest design is unfortunately pretty dull, and the story suffers from Daniel being so overwhelmingly lovely even compared to Joshua that the dilemma is just way too lopsided. I wanted to like it more than I did.
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Feb 22, 2023 18:32
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Daniel’s plan being bad isn’t a flaw of Honest Hearts. If anything it’s better than the standard RPG set of moral choices being “annoyingly benevolent” and “mustache-twirling cartoon evil.”
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Feb 22, 2023 18:33
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LashLightning posted:Honest Hearts' problem is mostly that there are no good reasons to back Daniel's "plan". Well, the alternative to Daniel's plan is a genocide. I liked Honest Hearts because there are no good choices: either you wipe out the White Legs, which happens regardless of if you let Salt-upon-wounds die or not, or you abandon Zion Valley to them. It's a situation that shouldn't be happening at all, entirely because of the meddling of "civilized" forces.
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Feb 22, 2023 18:33
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"ITS ABOUT LETTING GO" screams Dead Money as I pop a stealth boy and slow walk my way to victory with a backpack of gold bars and hundreds of thousands of caps worth of weightless pre war money.
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Feb 22, 2023 18:42
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Letting out a sigh of relief as I exit the vault and shake Elijah's head a few times before gold pours from his ear
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Feb 22, 2023 18:43
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the holograms don't even say they don't need no stinking badges
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Feb 22, 2023 18:50
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I think Daniel needed one or two more lines where he stopped preaching and clarified that defending your territory is fine but this is going to be an extermination campaign. The Dead Horses and Sorrows aren't going to let any White Horses escape alive, this is literally going to genocide their society out of existence. As it stands he's a huge fuckign wiener and literally every player rightfully laughs in his face.
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Feb 22, 2023 19:10
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The White Legs fell afoul of the talk poo poo get hit law.
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Feb 22, 2023 19:15
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Dean is so over the top a shithead it's honestly great. I don't think I've seen a character who will secretly hold a grudge against you forever like that since Alpha Protocol
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Feb 22, 2023 19:25
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The White Legs have hosed Around, and WILL Find Out but it's up to you that it happens at the hands of you and Joshua or the 80's. As a wise man once said, "there's always a bigger fish" and the White Legs ain't it.
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Feb 22, 2023 19:26
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Lonesome Road is the worst DLC but it does contain the Roughin' It bedroll so who can really say if it is bad or good.
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Feb 22, 2023 19:49
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Ulysses is talking about bull and bear so much it's like he's trying to get me to buy crypto
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Feb 22, 2023 20:29
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Arivia posted:Don’t forget you can literally just leave the Divide whenever you want. Ulysses is fine with you turning tail. That's where my line of thinking went, but when to go back and forth?
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Feb 22, 2023 20:33
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Bremen posted:I think the rule is everyone has a DLC they love, two they think are good, and one they hate, but which DLC fit where changes by the person. Agreed on all counts; I'm one of those brokebrains who liked Dead Money and Lonesome Road, and hated Honest Hearts. Don't get me wrong- everything story-related about HH was great, but good goddamn is the environment itself a boring slog. Then again, I've always been a city guy, so all that dirt and stuff didn't really impact me the way it hit some other people, I guess.
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Feb 22, 2023 21:38
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When I made a mod for Fallout 4 that gave names to the legendary enemies, I crowdsourced a bunch of name ideas from goons and an extremely good one for a legendary Yao Guai was"*in extremely Ulysses voice* THE BEAR". I think about that and enjoy a sensible chuckle every so often when Ulysses chat starts up.
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Feb 22, 2023 21:46
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Youremother posted:New Vegas's DLC is better than the main game in a lot of aspects, except for Lonesome Road, the most disappointing thing ever made. RandolphCarter posted:I liked Lonesome Road this kind of dichotomy when expressing preferences about a game strikes me as a sign of a real good fuckin game
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Feb 22, 2023 22:05
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A twelve year old game commanding opinions this strong is proof positive of that.
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Feb 22, 2023 22:09
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ya did good, (rope) kid
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Pwnstar posted:When I made a mod for Fallout 4 that gave names to the legendary enemies, I crowdsourced a bunch of name ideas from goons and an extremely good one for a legendary Yao Guai was"*in extremely Ulysses voice* THE BEAR". I think about that and enjoy a sensible chuckle every so often when Ulysses chat starts up. What's this mod? (Edit: I see it's "True Legendary Enemies", given that it credits SA goons for name ideas.) I downloaded a mod for Fallout 4 that gives names to generic raiders, which I liked a lot because it gave them more character. One time I killed two guys named Xander and Bogaerts, which was very fitting for Boston. Anyway, my DLC ranking is HH > OWB > LR > DM. I've played New Vegas so many times that I'm mainly into going to beautiful places and shooting interesting people, and I think Zion Valley looks amazing even in a 20-year-old engine. Chamale fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Feb 22, 2023 |
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Feb 22, 2023 22:24
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The Master doesn't even have unity within himself. He's the original Richard Grey personality, driven mad by FEV, with bits and pieces of several other people's brains shoved on top of that, and some computer bits and pieces. Plus his psychic abilities. He keeps flitting between several personas while talking to you. Even if FEV had created smart super mutants 100% of the time, he wouldn't have been able to unite them. The Lieutenant obeyed him, but he was pretty evil. What happens when the indoctrination wears off, and the super mutants start to remember who they were before, like Lily and Neal did? There was originally a mutant in the cathedral who hated the Master, and would happily set the self destruct off for you if convinced him, but he was cut from Fallout 1.
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Feb 22, 2023 23:27
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I loved Lonesome Road, especially because while the DLC was still coming out I had already heard all about Ulysses from the in game dialogue so I was super excited to see what his connection with me was. I love how all the DLC is like a Ulysses meta-narrative as well and they really benefit from being played in release order imo
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Feb 22, 2023 23:36
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Lonesome Road and the entire Ulysses storyline is premised on Christ Avellowne telling you your character did some insanely stupid poo poo while I'm Walter White in the car screaming meme screaming that my character has 10 int and would never be involved in getting an entire community nuked.
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Feb 22, 2023 23:53
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He couldn't have known, people realize this right? It's part of the point of the game, unintended consequences and the fallout from them.
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Feb 22, 2023 23:56
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Honest Hearts inspired me to go to the actual Zion National Park so it's clearly the best DLC imo 
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Janissary Hop posted:Lonesome Road and the entire Ulysses storyline is premised on Christ Avellowne telling you your character did some insanely stupid poo poo while I'm Walter White in the car screaming meme screaming that my character has 10 int and would never be involved in getting an entire community nuked. Doc Mitchell is right, them bullets did your brain some good!
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