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Frosted Flake posted:That kind of circles back to the goal being to draw NATO in then. Moldova apparently has a constitution that requires neutrality, but a wider conflict has to have some political goal for Ukraine beyond an ammo dump. I wouldn't go as far prompting a redeployment of US forces in Romania into theatre, but the last time Ukraine was making noise about this things were also not going their way. It could be another pressure point, but I would say the problem is that again, NATO directly getting involved with Russian peacekeepers is a clear red line. Also, if the Ukrainian military wasn't prepared in 2014, I don't know how the Moldovan military would fair. I don't think they are ready for offensive operations to be honest. Otherwise, the Ukrainians would have to get into potentially a messy secondary front while the war isn't going their way as it is. It would certainly be a sign of desperation but also it doesn't seem like the forces they have on hand really are armed or prepared for serious offensive operations. Also, yeah internationally, it would just look really bad and completely hypocritical. There are plenty of terrible ideas out there, but it would probably be a gift to the Russians.
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Feb 24, 2023 00:34
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Mr Hootington posted:So this twitter thread was posted in a different thread with the claim it was anti-semitic. I was wondering what part made it anti-semitic that I was missing. My guess? First picture in the thread has her with "NATO Ambassador" but someone thought that said "UN Ambassador" and immediately started denouncing the OP because all criticism of the UN is based in anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. By the time they noticed that the pic said "NATO Ambassador," it was too late to turn back.
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Feb 24, 2023 00:41
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Oh look a small European nation that isn't part of NATO, sounds like the defensive alliance needs to get liberating.
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Feb 24, 2023 00:42
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Mr Hootington posted:So this twitter thread was posted in a different thread with the claim it was anti-semitic. I was wondering what part made it anti-semitic that I was missing.
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Feb 24, 2023 00:43
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"They will welcome us as liberators" - V. Zelenskyyyy
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Feb 24, 2023 00:44
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Why does he feel the need to mention that her father's real name is Nudelman in the second post? i got to the bit where he was crying about how could Russia have such good writers AND communism and closed the window i can't help you sorry
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Feb 24, 2023 00:45
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sum posted:I think Russia might benefit if Ukraine takes Transnistria. Support for Ukraine in the west is visibly cracking and Ukraine invading its neighbor would be a great opportunity for some to jump off the wagon. If there's a bloody siege for Tiraspol or if the AFU take reprisals against ethnic Russians it would get harder to maintain the image of Ukraine as the plucky heroes defending themselves from the Asiatic hordes. if it went well militarily, it would be covered as a victory for the territorial integrity of the legitimate government of moldova against pernicious russian influence. my guess is that you simply wouldn't see many reporters, or that any reports from the area would have to take a very strong anti-russian editorial stance to get printed there's a freelancer working for the norwegian leftie daily Klassekampen reporting from russian-occupied territories which is operating on this model, noting that a lot of the people he talks to blame the ukrainians for atrocities in mariupol and then following it up with "ah, they have their news from russian telegram channels and various propaganda" because you really do have to do this in order to not get completely crucified. in a way it's interesting, because anti-kyiv ukrainians in these areas are framed as a kind of double victim - first of the invasion and war, but most insidiously of russian brainwashing and disinformation e. also it would be reported as the russians initiating aggression on the front (because the ukrainians would claim this) and the ukrainians simply had to secure their rear against a russian puppet V. Illych L. has issued a correction as of 00:50 on Feb 24, 2023 |
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Feb 24, 2023 00:46
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my guess is the Moldovan story is a misdirect
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Feb 24, 2023 00:47
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If you are in a conflict and losing, and keeping the current course is going end in your defeat, it makes a certain sense to make big plays. For the people in charge of making those decisions it doesn’t matter if you lose to Russia in a year vs 6 months. Why not make a grab at the nearby ammo dump? Worst thing that happens is you lose which you are already on course for anyway. that’s the only way I can make sense of the decision to invade.
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Feb 24, 2023 00:48
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really the only risk i can see with invading transnistria would be if they get bogged down and transnistria becomes an active front for a while. the government of moldova is apparently quite fragile enough as it is, and allowing a foreign country in to turn a big part of the country into a blasted war zone seems like a huge political liability - enough that it's very conceivable that the invitation would be rescinded one way or the other. that really would be a blow for ukraine.
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Feb 24, 2023 00:49
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Can we get a few of the resident libs in the thread to go on the record on whether ukraine will invade moldova/transistria and if whether or not its good/bad. I want to have a preview of what the narrative might be from the media if it happens
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Regarde Aduck posted:i got to the bit where he was crying about how could Russia have such good writers AND communism and closed the window The thread author is saying the subject of the thread said that about the good writers and communism. Irony Be My Shield posted:Why does he feel the need to mention that her father's real name is Nudelman in the second post? To establish their connection to the region? I really do not know
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Feb 24, 2023 00:52
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Danann posted:https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/status/1628712971814993926 impossible the nafo bros told me it would take years/never be fixed
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Feb 24, 2023 00:59
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Raskolnikov38 posted:impossible the nafo bros told me it would take years/never be fixed as ever, they mistakenly extrapolate a fairly high baseline of general governmental dysfunction with the government being unable to do anything this bridge is a big prestige symbol and important infrastructure. there was never going to be any excessive graft in getting it fixed, because the project is extremely important and everyone knows that it's extremely important. do a good job and there will be plenty of opportunity to gently caress around and pocket the extra later.
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Feb 24, 2023 01:03
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Ok so I guess that thread is anti-semitic because right wingers are claiming she is proof "the jews started the war". That thread doesn't make that claim though.
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Feb 24, 2023 01:04
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euphronius posted:my guess is the Moldovan story is a misdirect yeah it feels like every few months we get a bunch of stories about false flags and secret attacks and poo poo
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Can we get a few of the resident libs in the thread to go on the record on whether ukraine will invade moldova/transistria and if whether or not its good/bad. I want to have a preview of what the narrative might be from the media if it happens hmm, maybe a preemptive "surgical" strike to prevent the russians from crossing the border. or a regrettable but necessary action to secure the ammo dump because the russians were literally minutes from blowing it up, which would ???
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Feb 24, 2023 01:05
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yeah they can basically just go with whatever narrative they want to, no one is going to ask questions
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Feb 24, 2023 01:14
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The Moldova story has been going since this mess started, the escalation is obviously happening right now for a reason. It doesn't have to be an invasion, but obviously Ukraine/NATO want something out of it. https://twitter.com/Ukraine66251776/status/1566396957467312134 https://twitter.com/Keith_h96/status/1628096801633968128 The claim is sourced from this though https://twitter.com/CecilieHolter/status/1628397711211872257
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Feb 24, 2023 01:18
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I guess if Ukraine invades Moldova Russia is going to have to slow march the creeping artillery barrages that far west after all. Might take a while to get there. May not be much left of the in between land formerly known as Ukraine though because it might be another year or two.
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Mr Hootington posted:Ok so I guess that thread is anti-semitic because right wingers are claiming she is proof "the jews started the war". That thread doesn't make that claim though. Well, SOMEONE started this war. You know who. I'm not gonna say it though. I'm not allowed to say it. But, you know. It was the Italians.
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Feb 24, 2023 01:40
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who would take in the modovian refugees
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Feb 24, 2023 01:46
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https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1628917758971740168?s=20quote:The World Bank estimates that Ukrainian GDP shrank by 35% in 2022.
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fits my needs posted:https://twitter.com/Militarydotcom/status/1628917777842012160?s=20 War tourists used to gunning down brown people for funsies.
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basically what i suspect china wants is to sit the europeans and russians down to make an agreement to end the war in such a way that both sides save face and neither takes the blame. that could potentially leave donbass and crimea in russian hands and recognized with possibly the landbridge, and that's a "win" for russia however you stack it, because it's more territory than they entered the war with. that'd be a bitter pill for ukraine and the hardliners won't accept it, but realistically what's the point of trying to fight for it anyways? most of the pro-ukrainian population in those areas no longer exists. but the ukrainians saved the rest of the country and the capitol and made russia eat poo poo, and while joining NATO is too much for russia, basically ukraine is part of europe now. and a deal in this regard would allow the europeans to enhance some of their own solidarity and make a decision, and ideally, everyone blames the U.S. in the end. china's prestige go up. war ends. europe is more unified than before, which china wants because a weak, confederated europe is how the U.S. exercises hegemony over it. and then right before china's proposal drops, you see a story drop in DER SPIEGEL claiming that china is maybe (!) or possibly (!!) considering (!!!) sending weapons to russia, which is definitely not like what the U.S. has been doing in ukraine for more than a year. maybe that's just a coincidence. 
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Danann posted:(from t.me/milinfolive/97282, via tgsa) cumrade this is tachanka
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fits my needs posted:https://twitter.com/Militarydotcom/status/1628917777842012160?s=20 White coats and surgical scrubs are cheaper than camo fatigues so the answer is "how many medical themed PMCs you want?" Give everyone a 3 day first aid refresher course to dust off the cobwebs and now you're a peace convoy. Don't ask what are in the medical supply boxes though. DancingShade has issued a correction as of 01:54 on Feb 24, 2023 |
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I think what they want to do is declare that anyone purchasing Russian natural gas is aiding the war effort and that's enough for sanctions.
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Feb 24, 2023 01:53
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Do not my friends become addicted to natural gas! It will take hold of you and you will resent it's absence.
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fits my needs posted:https://twitter.com/Militarydotcom/status/1628917777842012160?s=20 imagine hating your wife so much you go out of your way to volunteer to die to russian artillery with zero survivor benefits. not only does your family get nothing, they have to pay to get your stupid rear end body back
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I can't help but wonder if the Moldovan prime minister quit because she was under pressure to support Ukraine invading Transdniester and that's why they replaced her with the Secretary of the Supreme Security Council, who is presumably more in the loop re NATO.Jel Shaker posted:would that not also mean that russia would be compelled to also make land bridge via odessa to regain transnistria I don't think it's accurate to say Russia controls Transdniester but I'm no expert. Mr Hootington posted:So this twitter thread was posted in a different thread with the claim it was anti-semitic. I was wondering what part made it anti-semitic that I was missing. It's anti-semetic because a person with a Russian sounding name (bad genocide man) said mean things about a person whose father is Jewish (one drop).
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Feb 24, 2023 02:08
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https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1496568414269288459?s=46&t=SwkrphARZuQ1kPCfPgda3Q we’re reaching the weird “one year ago today” part of the timeline.
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Feb 24, 2023 02:15
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https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1628926463326973952?s=20 https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1626837195850907648?s=20 hmm interesting
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mlmp08 posted:https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1496568414269288459?s=46&t=SwkrphARZuQ1kPCfPgda3Q if the US were the ones causing talks to breakdown it'd make sense they knew the time table i guess Putin was supposed to sulk and then Ukraine would shortly join the EU and later NATO
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Regarde Aduck posted:if the US were the ones causing talks to breakdown it'd make sense they knew the time table That’s the case for why Russia decided to invade Ukraine. Tracey is just being a dumbass and saying it is No True Invasion.
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Feb 24, 2023 02:22
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sum posted:The Transnistria stuff is developing into slightly more than a rumor. The Russian MoD is now directly accusing Ukraine of imminently planning to invade: trying to recover sente in yose by tenkui-ing is such a stupid move, especially when your bakhmut dragon is in a net after your amarigatachi gained you almost nothing in kharkiv also, they're probably trying to drag other countries and NATO in
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Frosted Flake posted:The interplay between Moldova, Poland, Romania and Ukraine is interesting, I don't know how you square it with Ukrainian nationalism. As someone said, the Political Ukrainians in the Transnistria conflict were not on the side you'd expect. this is like when catholic france was aligned with the protestant forces against the hapsburgs! (i just caught up on hell on earth episodes)
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