Thorn Wishes Talon posted:

this guy is a right-winger anti-vax conspiracy freak who thinks the pandemic was planned

stop posting this loving bullshit jesus christ. that goes for everyone!!! just stop it

Trabisnikof posted:

lol at coming to this thread to argue for individual consumption choices as a meaningful solution to anything

Thorn Wishes Talon posted:

i dont loving care what he consumes, i dont want to be subject to it

Thorn Wishes Talon posted:

this guy is a right-winger anti-vax conspiracy freak who thinks the pandemic was planned

stop posting this loving bullshit jesus christ. that goes for everyone!!! just stop it

Trabisnikof posted:

but enough about climate change

mawarannahr posted:

SniperWoreConverse posted:

the only food that i can imagine that isn't in plastic is some kind of extremely expensive wine that is perfectly produced in the ancienne technique and corked with real cork and they don't use plastic tubing while fermenting or bottling or anything.

Anything with liquid contents in a can is in plastic, the cans are lined with plastic to keep them from corroding.
All bulk goods are in plastic bags. Idk you might be able to get like bulk feed for your cow via wired bales or ginormous burlap sacks? Those sacks and bales would surely be cheaper in plastic...
Anything in a bottle is in plastic -- glass bottles are sealed with metal and plastic.
Anything in a box is in a plastic bag inside the box or sealed with plastic.

Potentially tea? What is a loose leaf tea that's not in plastic? Coffee? Hypothetically coffee might not be directly exposed to plastic in the packaging? You could maybe traverse the silk road to get tea from a remote monastery that's not been in plastic?

Cheese is either in plastic or plasticized aluminum foil... there might be some not exposed?

I'm gonna say if there's anything not exposed to plastic it would be wine / cheese / coffee / tea, but all of those are almost for certain actually exposed even if the final packaging is not plastic. Is sticks of butter in wax paper or in plastic coated "parchment?"

e: eggs. The interior of eggs are not exposed to plastic directly unless it's infusing through the shell somehow

SniperWoreConverse posted:

look the us geological survey said that sea levels will rise ~75m if all glaciers melt. This is enough to make large parts of europe an archipelago and is probably going to happen.
Simultaneously everything in the tropics will be uninhabitable for significant parts of the year. Additional habitable land is not being opened up because of icemelt -- those regions will be barren mud pits for a long time.

This is happening because decisions are based on Money and Number.

The pandemic happened because decisions are based on Money and Number. 9/11 every day is required because Money and Number could be negatively affected.
OH & PA & WV & NY have large ecologically damaged regions because the trains must be allowed to be run dangerously. The trains are required to run even if they could flip over and explode because otherwise Money & Number could be hurt.

This has happened before. The oranges have to burn, etc etc, grapes of wrath.txt
The short terror of the french revolution, the long everyday terror, etc etc
These events and kinds of things are required to occur in order to maintain the system

If these processes are even slightly changed it threatens to displace Money & Number as the #1 most important thing. All aspects of society are built based on this assumption. Money & Number being a more important priority than the ohio and mississippi watersheds -- everyone who lives downstream and downwind of every superfund site getting completely hosed -- these things are required to enable Money & Number to function correctly. You gotta have M&N to make this work. It's more important to allow disaster and then plaster it over with superfund than it is to prevent disaster.

People flow between different parts of the conspiracy sphere and right wing and reactionary bs because they see everything going to poo poo, not even in an abstract way, but in front of their eyes. They need to build some functioning worldview that explains this. The people pulling the levers aren't people. That's a myth, nobody's at the wheel, nobody's pulling the levers, & an enormous number of extremely important decisions have been offloaded to the market, most importantly all responsibility has been offloaded -- the solution is dilution after all.

Everybody knows poo poo's hosed, but don't have the tools to realize exactly how, so they seize on what they can for stability. The conspiracy freak is formed from the conspiracy, arising from it. The conspiracy against humanity is real, but there are no conspirators. The cabal is obsolete.

We know even the most remote glaciers, while they still exist, are accumulating polluted layers. Can anybody have any wonder or surprise if someone gets into believing snow is poison? That medicine is poison? In order for this society to work we must allow people to be destroyed. That's not good. If society itself is arranged good then it will have good results. The results aren't good. But it's not comfortable to see society is wrong. An option: it is not society that is inherently wrong, but a poison pill implanted to make society wrong.

Colin Mockery posted:

Snowballs actually don't drip water if you hold a lighter up to them from below, but I don't know why you'd expect everyone to know that.

If you want to melt a snowball, drop it in warm water and watch it disappear.

GoldStandardConure posted:

glad to see you posting here and living your best life being a friend to nature

hope you are doing well!!

Cup Runneth Over posted:

Pouring one out for our lost posting buddy and his loose screws

Trabisnikof posted:

but enough about climate change

starkebn posted:

Saw a video recently that was talking about geothermal electricity generation. The general jist of it was that it has some high maintenance issues but it's low on emissions, and we could probably viably put it in a lot more places than you might think. The reason we don't though is that it costs a lot of money to pay people while the holes are being drilled, because things often go wrong and they have to be there for months at a time not doing much, and we just couldn't possibly do that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6UGpaKnkS0

Real hurthling! posted:

Residents near Ohio derailment diagnosed with bronchitis due to chemicals https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/ohio-derailment-chemicals-people-diagnosed-bronchitis-rcna71839

a strange fowl posted:

something is using my wicker hollows not for nesting, but tiny mammals and birds have been using them as resting places to enjoy a fruit in peace

SniperWoreConverse posted:

All bulk goods are in plastic bags. Idk you might be able to get like bulk feed for your cow via wired bales or ginormous burlap sacks? Those sacks and bales would surely be cheaper in plastic...

Thorn Wishes Talon posted:

this guy is a right-winger anti-vax conspiracy freak who thinks the pandemic was planned

stop posting this loving bullshit jesus christ. that goes for everyone!!! just stop it

biceps crimes posted:

My rock climbing spouse was trying to talk me into considering moving to somewhere better for rock climbing, like las vegas or salt like city. Lol. On one hand, those places have more mountaineering nearby. On the other hand, arsenic death clouds and no water. Many sides, many sides

Hexigrammus posted:

PNW. Lots of opportunities for even more bare rock opening up once the flames die down.

mdemone posted:

thread challenge read Stephen Markley's The Deluge and post which character you are, GO


fake edit: and now I'm on yet another list

quote:

One-third of the southern Sierra Nevada Forest is already dead

The Sierra Nevada mountains of California comprise 27 million acres that include such internationally renown destinations as Lake Tahoe and Yosemite National Park. The Sierra Nevada forest is home to dozens of conifer species; including, the world’s tallest trees, the world’s widest trees, and the world’s longest-living trees.

Unfortunately, in the last decade of extreme drought across the West, combined with many of the state’s largest wildfires, Sierra conifers have been dying off at unprecedented rates. Specific evidence of this die-off was provided by a recent University of California study that found nearly a third (30%) of southern Sierra conifer forests (between Lake Tahoe and Kern County) have died in the last decade. The authors of the report, titled “Mega-disturbances cause rapid decline of mature conifer forest habitat in California” summarized their research as follows:

By using spatially comprehensive forest structure estimates, wildfire perimeter data, and the eDaRT forest disturbance tracking algorithm, the researchers studied declines in conifer forest cover in the southern Sierra Nevada of California between 2011–2020.

They found that the combination of wildfires, drought, and drought-associated beetle epidemics, resulted in the loss of 30% of the region’s conifer forest, while 50% of mature forest habitat and 85% of high density mature forests either transitioned to lower density forest or non-forest vegetation types.

As mentioned, healthy forests provide carbon storage in our fight against global warming, but they also support critical biodiversity and are necessary for water storage. Thus, the loss of the forest’s trees is far more damaging than merely the loss of trees.

Regarding trees, as the reader no doubt has by now deduced, we are stuck in a catch-22 dilemma. We need them to combat global warming, and yet global warming is killing off our trees. To make matters worse, wildfires not only destroy forests that are essential carbon sinks, but they also spew massive amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere thereby contributing to increased global warming. With each revolution of this vicious cycle, we can expect the effects to keep getting worse and worse.

Another way that trees assist us in combating global warming is by increasing urban adaptability. In many cities throughout the country, hotter temperatures have prompted city leaders to increase the number of trees in order to provide needed shade. On the other hand, as we are witnessing in my corner of the globe, the severe heat, drought, and heavy rains attributed to global warming are making it more difficult to keep older trees alive and grow young ones to maturity. Though trees have evolved to be resilient to weather and wind, global warming has already created conditions that surpass the capacity to survive for many tree species.

Over the past years, many of us in the fight to mitigate global warming correctly chastised ex-President of Brazil Jair Bolsonaro. While in office, Bolsonaro allowed the decimation of the Amazonian rainforest that is one of the largest land-based carbon sinks in the world. If we are willing to stand by as our own trees and forests die off in unprecedented numbers, we become hypocrites and lose the moral soapbox upon which to criticize and take action against the misdeeds of others.

At this point, the global warming train has left the station. We have no choice but to adapt to and mitigate its effects. The only partial solution to this crisis is to heed the recommendations of the IPCC and limit greenhouse gas emissions so global warming is held to 1.5c. However, so far, we are not coming anywhere close to doing that. Humans are emitting increasing amounts of greenhouse gases into our atmosphere and failing to enact substantial mandates to stop doing so. For one example, in the United States, the recent Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) has been heralded as a substantial step in the right direction, but it isn’t; rather, it is way too little and way too late.

mdemone posted:

thread challenge read Stephen Markley's The Deluge and post which character you are, GO


fake edit: and now I'm on yet another list

Unless posted:

from the University of Tasmania hosting the first conference a couple years back, I think the French are shooting for their own Toby

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZaOk80HDsQ

kyojin posted:

I went and watched this series and it's pretty good

kyojin posted:

I went and watched this series and it's pretty good

Microplastics posted:

Add it to the thread Required Watching list

biceps crimes posted:

My rock climbing spouse was trying to talk me into considering moving to somewhere better for rock climbing, like las vegas or salt like city. Lol. On one hand, those places have more mountaineering nearby. On the other hand, arsenic death clouds and no water. Many sides, many sides