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Wild bit of ME history IMO is the whole kin strife part that Gondor goes through.
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SHISHKABOB posted:Wild bit of ME history IMO is the whole kin strife part that Gondor goes through. Yeah. I guess what it probably is is Tolkien wanting to unambiguously shut down the kind of "pure blood" argument that people were referring to upthread, by creating a situation where Gondor is shown to have racist politicians who are deservedly thrown out by a multiethnic coalition led by a biracial true king. The racists then flee to Umbar and take over there, becoming partisans of Sauron.
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Feb 17, 2023 01:01
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgtZF0ogyI0 It may not be Tolkien's grassy plains and fertile soil but goddamn does a drone with a camera do justice to these Rohan shooting locations.
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Feb 18, 2023 22:58
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It's really insane that such a unique bit of geography was ready to go in NZ
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Celebrimbor is the last descendant of Feanor that is recorded right? Surely the dude had more grandchildren right? Or did most of his sons just simply not gently caress. I'm going through some of the things I found a little less fleshed out in the SIlmarillion and one thing that really stood out to me is the conflict between elves and dwarves over the Silmaril and the Nauglamir - it stuck out to me that those dwarves don't even have names, which is very un-JRRT. And then I learned that this portion of the Sil wasn't really written by the time JRRT died, so Christopher basically wrote it out of wholecloth. Looking back, it does stand out from much of the rest of the material.
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Feb 25, 2023 16:15
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I think what I heard (from Olsen?) was that the only thing Christopher added to that section was Thingol’s racist rant
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Feb 25, 2023 16:34
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Mike N Eich posted:Celebrimbor is the last descendant of Feanor that is recorded right? Surely the dude had more grandchildren right? Or did most of his sons just simply not gently caress. Most of his sons simply did not gently caress before the Oath drove them to untimely deaths, after which time they were unable to sire any children.
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Feb 25, 2023 16:36
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YaketySass posted:Gondor conspiracy theorists noticing that the son that should have inherited the Steward role supposedly died while Aragorn was with him. I believe this actually happened as a point in the LOTR parody version.
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Feb 26, 2023 13:02
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skasion posted:Nah there’s 2000 years of kings in Gondor after Isildur leaves. The last king of Gondor was a guy who got a message from the Witch King of Angmar literally saying “1v1 me bro” and thought it would be a good idea At least he had the good sense to leave the actual crown of Gondor in Rath Dinen before he went off on his dumb stunt.
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Feb 26, 2023 13:03
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zone posted:I believe this actually happened as a point in the LOTR parody version. I enjoyed the Bored of the Rings interpretation of "steward" in the culinary sense, so they made the first steward a "scullery slave" who usurped the throne Data Graham fucked around with this message at 13:25 on Feb 26, 2023 |
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Feb 26, 2023 13:21
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Data Graham posted:I enjoyed the Bored of the Rings interpretation of "steward" in the culinary sense, so they made the first steward a "scullery slave" who usurped the throne There's also a fan parody of the LOTR appendices that's worth reading, if you like https://groups.google.com/g/alt.fan.tolkien/c/jmMvQa2WcII?pli=1
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Feb 26, 2023 13:30
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zone posted:At least he had the good sense to leave the actual crown of Gondor in Rath Dinen before he went off on his dumb stunt. I do want to point out that Glorfindel, of all people, told Eärnur "it ain't worth it bro" the first time around and this was the second time the Witch King issued a challenge. Should have paid attention to the guy who threw down with a Balrog telling you that you shouldn't go about throwing hands with that guy.
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Feb 27, 2023 14:20
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On the other hand, how often are you gonna take "stay safe" advice from someone named glorfindel
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Blood Boils posted:On the other hand, how often are you gonna take "stay safe" advice from someone named glorfindel You only ignore it once.
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The first previews of the Lord of the Rings crossover Magic: the Gathering set came out, obviously I'm not going to post them here but I did want to start an argument over exactly one thing: The "Gandalf the Grey" creature card (with two arts, him right before / right after falling off the Bridge) is an Avatar Wizard. Not any of the other possibly-applicable existing creature types of Angel, Demigod, Elder, Elemental, Incarnation, Human, or Spirit. Is this correct? If not, why not? Discuss  (magic Incarnations tend to be not human and the one explicitly humanlike one is actually an Avatar Incarnation) DACK FAYDEN fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Mar 13, 2023 |
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I was already of the opinion that the MtG color pie is a poor fit for Tolkien's cosmology, so I'm not surprised they hosed this up as well.
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Anshu posted:I was already of the opinion that the MtG color pie is a poor fit for Tolkien's cosmology, so I'm not surprised they hosed this up as well. Not surprising, but what did they gently caress up?
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Anshu posted:I was already of the opinion that the MtG color pie is a poor fit for Tolkien's cosmology, so I'm not surprised they hosed this up as well. Gandalf has red in his color identity, and that's what I was most concerned about. gently caress-up won't be total, if at all.
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YaketySass posted:Not surprising, but what did they gently caress up? Gandalf's typing
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 i mean it's MTG, it's just a name & picture attached to some vague set of stats and nonsense about tapping/untapping. hard to capture Gandalf in pog form
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Pham Nuwen posted:
Is this a joke image or is it actually censored.
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SHISHKABOB posted:Is this a joke image or is it actually censored. No, I censored it myself because if you didn't know it was Gandalf, aside from the word "Wizard", does anything about that card really feel like Gandalf in any way?
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It's not how i personally would've depicted gandalf but it's also not particularly un-gandalf-y either, frankly
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SHISHKABOB posted:Is this a joke image or is it actually censored. It's a "joke" image to illustrate that they did a flavor fail with Gandalf. I'm not really sure why the OP "obviously" didn't link the card images if they wanted to discuss them, so here we go:  Aside from the red color identity, this Gandalf is pretty lame. The abilities don't tell me he's Gandalf, just some dude who does some stuff with spells.  The One Ring, on the other hand, I think is a flavor win. Without getting into the weeds of Magic rules and poo poo, they took a more abstract route with the Ring than they could have, which is good in my opinion. Being able to draw multiple cards a turn in Magic is quite strong, but there's a growing price to it's use. Probably should've had black in it's color identity but as has been pointed out the Magic color pie really isn't a good fit for this stuff and there's probably a looot of cards that need to be black, so the Ring needed to be colorless.
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The card going to the top of your "library" (deck? idk MTG) is kind of a funny Gandalf thing.
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SHISHKABOB posted:The card going to the top of your "library" (deck? idk MTG) is kind of a funny Gandalf thing. Yeah, you got it. And that's the one thing that's a flavor win for him! He does some poo poo, then peaces out. Too bad it sucks in terms of playing the game. As far as his type goes: avatar is fine? There's no "incarnation" creature type yet in the game, that would be the most appropriate term I think, so "avatar" is a fine substitute for using already-existing creature types. Untapping permanents could also be a "kindling the spirits of others" thing. Card still sucks.
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I'm a little surprised he isn't a double faced card given how much they love those
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cheetah7071 posted:I'm a little surprised he isn't a double faced card given how much they love those Based on spoiled art we're getting at least three Gandalfs: "Friend of the Shire," "the Grey," and "the White." But yeah would've been a good contender for a DFC
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I appreciate the big rear end eyebrows. Textual
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skasion posted:I appreciate the big rear end eyebrows. Textual Here's the art for "Gandalf, Friend of the Shire":  Canonical eyebrows-past-the-brim-of-the-hat.
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You'll know they read the books if they have "Saruman of many colors"
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Judgy Fucker posted:
Strong disagree. Why does The One Ring give you cards (knowledge) at the cost of life (life)? That's basically the opposite of what it does. It extends life, and in exchange makes you less sane. Why is its "invisibility" effect a one-and-done thing and not reusable? Why isn't it an equipment or have some sort of creature-based ability? The One Ring should be able to affect Frodo, Gollum, etc., not (just) you, the player. Judgy Fucker posted:As far as his type goes: avatar is fine? There's no "incarnation" creature type yet in the game, that would be the most appropriate term I think, so "avatar" is a fine substitute for using already-existing creature types. There is an "incarnation" type, but it's used for physical manifestations of non-physical concepts, like Dread and Subtlety, so it wouldn't really be appropriate. "Avatar" is fine, but if the Warhammer 40,000 set was allowed to introduce "Tyranid" and "Necron" as creature types, why shouldn't the LotR set introduce "Maia"? Judgy Fucker posted:Here's the art for "Gandalf, Friend of the Shire": This art is great. I am sure that a lot of it will be. So there is at least some good to come from this crossover bullshittery.
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DontMockMySmock posted:Why does The One Ring give you cards (knowledge) at the cost of life (life)? That's basically the opposite of what it does. It extends life, and in exchange makes you less sane. Card draw is in effect, power. The ring gives you power, but at a cost, and the most regular "at a cost" in magic is life. Powerlevel. "There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."
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DontMockMySmock posted:There is an "incarnation" type, but it's used for physical manifestations of non-physical concepts, like Dread and Subtlety, so it wouldn't really be appropriate. "Avatar" is fine, but if the Warhammer 40,000 set was allowed to introduce "Tyranid" and "Necron" as creature types, why shouldn't the LotR set introduce "Maia"? "Angel" has been a creature type basically from the game's beginning.
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DontMockMySmock posted:if the Warhammer 40,000 set was allowed to introduce "Tyranid" and "Necron" as creature types, why shouldn't the LotR set introduce "Maia"? It occurred to me today while talking to some friends that M:tG probably has the rights to The Hobbit, LotR, and appendices, but not any other material (afaik), and "maia" does not appear in the appendices (or main text). So that's probably why.
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For long term game design and balance reasons MTG avoids adding new creature types when existing ones will serve. It helps to create connections between old and new cards, and it helps prevent certain things from becoming messes. So rights or no, "Maia" was never going to happen. E. They probably went with "avatar" so that good and evil wizards can be the same type and any colour , and "angel" and "demon" often get published as opposing counterbalanced types with white or black colour connections
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I think the Ring card works pretty well, though I do agree that there should be more to the invisibility other than a first turn protection thing. The Gandalf doesn't really work though. It's cute that he can go back on top of your library, but the rest of him doesn't really reflect what he does. His biggest power is inspiring people around him, so some sort of buff to others would have made more sense. Oh well, whatever. I'm re-reading the books for the first time in about 20 years after I devoured the Silmarillion. One thing I realized on this go around is how Jackson's Fellowship takes a ton of dialogue right from the book in the movie, but that really starts slowing down in movie 2 and 3 I think. Which is a shame, because Tolkien's dialogue is pretty drat evocative and has a real character. I also forget how often people just straight up insult hobbits. Gandalf at one point calls them stupid and dull, the elves they run into in the woods are also like "ya'll are pretty silly and useless" - nobody is fazed with just insulting hobbits to their face.
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The alternate art for the Ring is pretty cool:
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Sorry, but the MtG set is the best adaption of the Lord of the Rings we have had until now. Because all others were cowards: https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/234/tom-bombadil
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