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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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67 | 16.58% |
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94 | 23.27% |
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14 | 3.47% |
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87 | 21.53% |
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HonorableTB posted:i'm not really sure how to fix the relative socio-economic inequality issues of ethnic minorities in russia without outright ethnic cleansing in the process i have a good idea of how but it uses scary words that terrify most americans
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Feb 27, 2023 19:17
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Lord of Pie posted:lol yeah about those economic benefits... Look, you just have to go through a decade or two of shock therapy and then you will be rewarded by reaping the labor of whoever the chump country thats currently being shocked next Remember, you can always be canabilized later by the bigger countries if its necessary
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Feb 27, 2023 19:17
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HallelujahLee posted:can we go ahead and just remove this loser hes a boring troll
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Feb 27, 2023 19:18
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HonorableTB posted:first, to qualify my support for a level of balkanization, it is more ideological rather than realistic because I also do not support the required ethnic cleansing which would be necessary to reverse hundreds of years worth of Russification of minority republics, just to be clear. it also brings up another issue which is that because of that russification, any minority-majority government would probably lead to an apartheid type situation because as far as i'm aware none of the minorities are actually the majority ethnicity in their republics, so it would have to be a government of the majority by the minority which..would not end well if south africa and such were any indication No offense, but this just sounds like childish anarchism. Have you read any actual marxist-leninist/maoist theory? It would do a lot to help resolve the cognitive dissonance that your political theories are causing for yourself.
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Feb 27, 2023 19:18
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we should ask greece and any other poorer eu nation the benefits of the eu
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Feb 27, 2023 19:18
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HonorableTB posted:first, to qualify my support for a level of balkanization, it is more ideological rather than realistic because I also do not support the required ethnic cleansing which would be necessary to reverse hundreds of years worth of Russification of minority republics, just to be clear. ??????
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Feb 27, 2023 19:18
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yeah like, even pakistan has like 200+ million people lol
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Feb 27, 2023 19:18
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Frosted Flake posted:What the gently caress is this? in one of my earlier posts i also said i supported the same for the us
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Feb 27, 2023 19:19
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HonorableTB posted:in one of my earlier posts i also said i supported the same for the us interesting
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Feb 27, 2023 19:19
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Maybe you should look up why it's called Balkanization, and the actual costs of human life that Balkanization took.
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Feb 27, 2023 19:20
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HonorableTB posted:in one of my earlier posts i also said i supported the same for the us okay you should read up on some theory. i think you're close. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4025015
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Feb 27, 2023 19:20
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HonorableTB posted:in one of my earlier posts i also said i supported the same for the us what required ethnic cleansing is needed in the US
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Feb 27, 2023 19:21
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oh its easy i can just cleanly balkanize the russian federation along ethnic lines, simple as *cracks knuckles*  no complexity here
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Feb 27, 2023 19:21
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the three baltic nations in the pre ww2 period were lovely military dictatorships if i recall with fascist tendencies
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Feb 27, 2023 19:21
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TurkaMANIA!!!!! is a way better name than Turkmenistan
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Feb 27, 2023 19:21
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Chick Counterfly posted:No offense, but this just sounds like childish anarchism. Have you read any actual marxist-leninist/maoist theory? It would do a lot to help resolve the cognitive dissonance that your political theories are causing for yourself. this tbh. user HonorableTB has just experienced liberalism hitting its limits in understanding the correct root causes of problems and being able to conceptualize and articulate concrete solutions. my hope is that like many of us here had a similar point like that, that they use this moment as a good reason to start diving in to this understanding
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Feb 27, 2023 19:22
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redneck nazgul posted:what required ethnic cleansing is needed in the US im native american and i lived on a reservation growing up, i was ethnic cleansed. i am against ethnic cleansing in all forms. but i am familiar with the consequences of what happens when it is imposed
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Feb 27, 2023 19:22
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ethnostates are good if only it wasnt for those pesky neccessary genocides
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Feb 27, 2023 19:22
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wow seeing peoples attitudes towards russia and fantasizing about breaking it up really puts into perspective that the soviets were 1000% right to be extremely paranoid and put as many countries between them and the west as they could.
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Feb 27, 2023 19:22
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HallelujahLee posted:the three baltic nations in the pre ww2 period were lovely military dictatorships if i recall with fascist tendencies what?
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Feb 27, 2023 19:23
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Jimlit posted:what? yeah thats what i thought
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Feb 27, 2023 19:23
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HiroProtagonist posted:oh i thought you were talking about 1947 Well I was at first asking about 47, since you may have the same issue as 32-33 where estimates were off. But, yeah killing off livestock during a drought is very far from some unheard of event connected with the evils of “communism.”
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Feb 27, 2023 19:23
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HonorableTB posted:im native american and i lived on a reservation growing up, i was ethnic cleansed. i am against ethnic cleansing in all forms. but i am familiar with the consequences of what happens when it is imposed OP from one Indian to another you are really dumb
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Feb 27, 2023 19:23
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AnimeIsTrash posted:?????? lol
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Feb 27, 2023 19:24
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AnimeIsTrash posted:OP from one Indian to another you are really dumb this is very true, im dumb as poo poo
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Feb 27, 2023 19:24
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HonorableTB posted:first, to qualify my support for a level of balkanization, it is more ideological rather than realistic because I also do not support the required ethnic cleansing which would be necessary to reverse hundreds of years worth of Russification of minority republics, just to be clear. it also brings up another issue which is that because of that russification, any minority-majority government would probably lead to an apartheid type situation because as far as i'm aware none of the minorities are actually the majority ethnicity in their republics, so it would have to be a government of the majority by the minority which..would not end well if south africa and such were any indication holy poo poo what a psycho
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Feb 27, 2023 19:24
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Cuttlefush posted:okay you should read up on some theory. i think you're close. Got excited but then the first post is TWM. Edit: I guess it's at least not Trot "theory"
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Feb 27, 2023 19:24
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BadOptics posted:Got excited but then the first post is TWM. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-JrPFkcEq4
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Feb 27, 2023 19:25
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HonorableTB posted:im native american and i lived on a reservation growing up, i was ethnic cleansed. i am against ethnic cleansing in all forms. but i am familiar with the consequences of what happens when it is imposed This is fairly understandable and I do support landback even if its unrealistic, but my idea of that is im on stolen treaty land so we revert to the original treaties and my landlord switches from blackrock to a trust for the local tribe. Balkanization is unrealistic, what would happen in the south with heavily segregated but still white majority areas, what the gently caress would happen in Atlanta. Same reason breaking up russia would be a really horrific outcome.
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Feb 27, 2023 19:26
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HonorableTB posted:im native american and i lived on a reservation growing up, i was ethnic cleansed. i am against ethnic cleansing in all forms. but i am familiar with the consequences of what happens when it is imposed Please start reading revolutionary socialist theory, I honestly think it woud do a lot to help you understand why liberalism is failing you so badly right now (and why the west is unable to make things better for anyone who isn't a member of the ruling class). There are people on this forum who would love to talk with you about it and answer questions as they arise, croup coughfield is pretty active and good at educating people in marxist theory generally and posts pretty often in the marxism thread, and people are usually willing to help someone understand the parts of the old-rear end books that still apply to modern material circumstances but in different ways specifically. e: also be prepared for people who have a better handle on material reality to rip on you for historical ignorance (balkanization as a good thing under any circumstance). A lot of people are not going to be as nice about your willingness to not see the millions of deaths that these things cause but don't take it personally, on some level most people in cspam understand that we are all subjects of a nightmare white supremacist neoliberal empire that makes us into horrible creatures that require a lot of work to make back into human beings with empathy. Chick Counterfly has issued a correction as of 19:28 on Feb 27, 2023 |
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Feb 27, 2023 19:26
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HonorableTB posted:in one of my earlier posts i also said i supported the same for the us HonorableTB posted:i also am in favor of balkanizing the US for the same treatment of its own minorities fwiw, overly large empires cause unnecessary suffering just by existing If I didn't know better I would say this was you popping chaff, without the level of detail or, you could say conviction, behind it. Also some interesting hedges there: "overly" large empires and "unnecessary" suffering raise the question of what you're carving out exceptions for. Finally, anyone with even a cursory knowledge of the region, and I mean, "Baby's First 19th Century Reader" would know that the Austro-Hungarian Empire had the opposite effect in the region. Quite seriously, the absence of Austria-Hungary led to most of the knock on effects we see today.
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Feb 27, 2023 19:26
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Terminal autist posted:This is fairly understandable and I do support landback even if its unrealistic, but my idea of that is im on stolen treaty land so we revert to the original treaties and my landlord switches from blackrock to a trust for the local tribe. Balkanization is unrealistic, what would happen in the south with heavily segregated but still white majority areas, what the gently caress would happen in Atlanta. The dude who support Balkanization never talk or think about the number of black and brown ppeople that live in the south. It doesn't even cross their mind that these people would all get slaughtered.
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Feb 27, 2023 19:27
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Al-Saqr posted:wow seeing peoples attitudes towards russia and fantasizing about breaking it up really puts into perspective that the soviets were 1000% right to be extremely paranoid and put as many countries between them and the west as they could. Told you so ——— Also, almost no one in Russia itself supports breaking it up, I think some type of public desire is perhaps a little bit in order. Btw, does this mean the separatists republics in Ukraine are now cool as well? Ardennes has issued a correction as of 19:30 on Feb 27, 2023 |
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Feb 27, 2023 19:27
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why are we even entertaining this insane discussion this dumbo supports ethnic cleansing
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Feb 27, 2023 19:28
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HonorableTB posted:first, to qualify my support for a level of balkanization, it is more ideological rather than realistic because I also do not support the required ethnic cleansing which would be necessary to reverse hundreds of years worth of Russification of minority republics, just to be clear. it also brings up another issue which is that because of that russification, any minority-majority government would probably lead to an apartheid type situation because as far as i'm aware none of the minorities are actually the majority ethnicity in their republics, so it would have to be a government of the majority by the minority which..would not end well if south africa and such were any indication Honest tip: Stalin's book "Marxism and the National question". 2 hours in audio form.
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Feb 27, 2023 19:28
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the whole point of balkanisation is to destroy solidarity between people and solidify boundaries between them, so that the political / capitalist elites can keep robbing them blind while the country fractures This isn't to erase the autonomy that marginalised groups deserve but to recognise that nationalism without solidarity across peoples, that sets down borders, doesn't fix the root cause
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Feb 27, 2023 19:28
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Everyone, you need to start him off on the easy stuff like S&R before you go off the deep end of theory. Or you could let him read about linens and coats if you're really evil.
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Feb 27, 2023 19:29
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HiroProtagonist posted:poo poo makes me lol every time lmao it always kind of catches me off guard
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Feb 27, 2023 19:29
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BadOptics posted:Or you could let him read about linens and coats if you're really evil.
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HonorableTB posted:first, to qualify my support for a level of balkanization, it is more ideological rather than realistic because I also do not support the required ethnic cleansing which would be necessary to reverse hundreds of years worth of Russification of minority republics, just to be clear. I'm kind of confused by the hundreds of years comment here, since I'm pretty sure both russification and republics are not close to hundreds of years old I'm not even sure minority identities are hundreds of years old
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