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Weren't Iron Fist's problems bigger than just that? Everyone seems to like Jessica Jones and Luke Cage and love Daredevil.
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The biggest problem is that Danny Rand is boring and the show is dull
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Feb 27, 2023 00:28
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STAC Goat posted:In do think it’s kind of funny that there are people who hated Iron Fist because I thought they hated Iron Fist because he was a schlubby white dude who refused to train or so actual fight choreo.
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Feb 27, 2023 00:34
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Would be pretty weird to hate the actor for the production company's choices, but not unexpected.
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Feb 27, 2023 00:35
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Considering Danny Rand's two traits are "is good at kung fu" and "serves as a fun contrast to Luke Cage" it's weird to me that they wouldn't want to nail the first one But then again they took Luke and instead of making him a cool young guy and trying to recontextualize the blaxploitation tropes the character was created with for a modern take, they just made him a kinda stuffy middle aged guy, so really it's remarkable that Daredevil and Jessica Jones turned out as good as they did
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Feb 27, 2023 01:37
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FilthyImp posted:I thought they hated Iron Fist because he was a schlubby white dude who refused to train or so actual fight choreo. I thought the story was he was cast at basically the last second and didn't have time to do any of that?
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Feb 27, 2023 01:44
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and the second season was much better, but it also had more jessica henwick \/\/\/still annoys me that that guy could have been danny instead Soonmot fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Feb 27, 2023 |
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Feb 27, 2023 03:39
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First season at least had the drunken kung fu guy that owned.
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Feb 27, 2023 03:48
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They can replace Danny, but bring back Henwick and Ward
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Feb 27, 2023 03:55
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I feel like I'm the only person that kinda liked the dragon stuff at the end of Shang Chi.
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Feb 27, 2023 04:06
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It was fine, it just felt like a it of a letdown to end the movie with another big cgi mess instead of continuing the wuxia/martial arts stuff they’d already done throughout the movie. It was like they had 15 minutes left before realizing they had to follow some MCU finale pattern even if it didn’t make sense.
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Feb 27, 2023 04:19
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Yeah, the dragon stuff was probably the worst fight in the movie, but it was fine. I think they wanted to set Shang Chi up as an Avenger, so they wanted to show he was a heavy hitter. Iron Fist was extremely bad, I'm pretty sure the season 1 finale had no big fights, like Danny knocks a bunch of people down by punching the ground, and then uses his iron fist to block bullets against a guy who's plan, which is stated out loud, is to shoot Danny somewhere other than his fist.
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Feb 27, 2023 04:26
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I liked the dragon stuff for how bugged out it was. If they're going to keep doing world ending threats, making it a giant dragon fight is a fresh way to do it.
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Feb 27, 2023 04:28
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It would have been cool if they'd combined it, like what if they had a hand to hand fight while also running along the side of the dragon as it twists across the landscape in all directions, that could have been rad... but no, it ended with evil color light vs good color light again.
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Feb 27, 2023 05:01
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Is every character Jonathan Majors play named Kang or just the guy from Quantumania? Like, is He Who Remains also "Kang?"
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Feb 27, 2023 05:18
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live with fruit posted:Is every character Jonathan Majors play named Kang or just the guy from Quantumania? Like, is He Who Remains also "Kang?" Kind of yes and kind of no, but generally speaking Kang is specifically The Conquerer and everyone else has their own name (Immortus, Rama Tut, Scarlet Centurion, etc)
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Feb 27, 2023 06:22
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In the comics several are the same guy at different points in his life. Rama Tut, Iron Lad, Scarlet Centurion and Kang are all the same incarnation. Immortus and Victor Timely are alternate Kangs.
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Feb 27, 2023 06:34
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Wonder if they'll try to fast track a F4 film before whatever the end of the Kang plot is
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Feb 27, 2023 07:01
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Disney exec, on cocaine: what if Reed Richards is an alternate heroic Kang
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site posted:Disney exec, on cocaine: what if Reed Richards is an alternate heroic Kang Jonathan Majors as Reed? Okay.
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How likely would it be for the MCU to just cut the weird alternate space-time fustercluck backstory behind the two Nathaniel Richardses and just have the Kang version of Nathaniel Richards be Reed's father?
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StumblyWumbly posted:Iron Fist was extremely bad, I'm pretty sure the season 1 finale had no big fights, like Danny knocks a bunch of people down by punching the ground, and then uses his iron fist to block bullets against a guy who's plan, which is stated out loud, is to shoot Danny somewhere other than his fist. I've been watching Daredevil Season 1 all the way through for the first time--I think I caught 3-4 episodes when it first came out--and I absolutely love it. The show is essentially the opposite of what the MCU has become: killer cinematography and lighting, well-realized characters (D'Onofrio, Cox, Dawson, Curtis-Hall, and basically everyone else do great work), cast top-notch fight choreography, and just a great sense of place and mood. So, I'm wondering: I know Iron Fist is universally considered terrible, but what do people here think about the other Netflix-era Marvel shows? Do Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, The Punisher, or The Defenders come close to matching Daredevil's quality? Rental Sting fucked around with this message at 08:26 on Feb 27, 2023 |
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Feb 27, 2023 08:24
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Jessica Jones has a good first season, and pretty bad after that. Luke Cage has an alright first season that gets bad towards the end and a bad second season. Iron Fist has a bad first season and an alright second. Punisher has a good first season but I didn’t finish the second. Defenders sucks rear end.
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Feb 27, 2023 08:26
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I like Jessica Jones season 1 better than Daredevil, but it is very different. Daredevil stays mostly good. Luke cage season 1 is worth watching, although it falls apart towards the end. Season 2 want bad but I couldn't finish it.
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Feb 27, 2023 13:32
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BrianWilly posted:How likely would it be for the MCU to just cut the weird alternate space-time fustercluck backstory behind the two Nathaniel Richardses and just have the Kang version of Nathaniel Richards be Reed's father? Kang and Reed's dad have the same name, but that's because Kang was named for Reed's dad. That said, I wouldn't be shocked if they do this, since I've seen Kang "explainers" out there that say he's Reed's dad.
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Feb 27, 2023 14:20
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Right like, if all the fans keep going "omg Kang is so great, he's the best part of the MCU" like they're doing now, what are the chances that the writers just cut out the extra stuffing of "Kang was named for Mr. Fantastic's dad thanks to timey wimey nonsense" and instead tie Reed to him directly instead of indirectly? If nothing else it would be an unexpected hook for the FF story which, at the moment, really isn't connected to anything at all in the MCU that we know of. Though tbh I'm not sure it wouldn't end up making things more complicated than it needs to be. As if the MCU needs more daddy issues. 
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Sockser posted:Wonder if they'll try to fast track a F4 film before whatever the end of the Kang plot is You mean the one they announced a while ago and have on the schedule?
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BrianWilly posted:Right like, if all the fans keep going "omg Kang is so great, he's the best part of the MCU" like they're doing now, what are the chances that the writers just cut out the extra stuffing of "Kang was named for Mr. Fantastic's dad thanks to timey wimey nonsense" and instead tie Reed to him directly instead of indirectly? If nothing else it would be an unexpected hook for the FF story which, at the moment, really isn't connected to anything at all in the MCU that we know of. Honestly, they would be better off recognising how good JM is and just making Reed and Kang one and the same. Every version of Reed is evil except the MCU version and they all happen to be called Kang. Reed's story is basically only interesting because he is evil everywhere else so cut the chaff and make him Kang.
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I’m mildly mad they got William Jackson Harper and he’s just Chidi with a glowing forehead. Like yeah, we’ve all seen the quantumknife, Chidi.
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i think it's funny people are typecasting him as chidi when he's only on screen for like 5 whole minutes and has ten lines
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I am still so confused how the people working on Iron Fist didn't keep the Daredevil hallway fight from Season 1 consistently in mind. Like, that's your automatic baseline. That's the level your kung-fu show is required to operate on. You've tied to yourself to that brand, comparisons are inevitable.
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Sockser posted:Wonder if they'll try to fast track a F4 film before whatever the end of the Kang plot is The F4 film is currently slated for February of '25, between Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars, which comes out in May of '25.
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Feb 27, 2023 17:50
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Rental Sting posted:So, I'm wondering: I know Iron Fist is universally considered terrible, but what do people here think about the other Netflix-era Marvel shows? Do Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, The Punisher, or The Defenders come close to matching Daredevil's quality? I couldn't get through S1 of Iron Fist I loved Luke Cage S1, but the drop to S2 was pretty steep, and it ends on a loose thread that I really wanted resolved. S2 gets weird with it, in a lot of ways, but overall it kind of works. Jessica Jones S1 was really strong, great villain, great story overall. S2 went some places and added some twists, and some real gut punch moments. S3 picks up pretty much immediately after, but the villain is off putting and the story goes pretty off the rails. I thought Punisher was pretty great for both seasons, though S1 is better overall. Defenders is there.  Iron Fist proves that he's the dumbest motherfucker to ever be entrusted with the iron first power. Sigourney Weaver is completely wasted in her role. The hand is simultaneously a major threat and completely full of jobbers. It's kind of fun getting to see these characters and their supporting casts interact for the first time, like a small scale Avengers.
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Defenders is straight up bad They completely waste Sigourney Weaver, the story is essentially a continuation of the pretty lame Hand stuff from the second half of Daredevil Season 2, and the majority of the story takes place in an office building and the basement
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theironjef posted:The F4 film is currently slated for February of '25, between Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars, which comes out in May of '25. On paper that sounds similar to the way they put Captain Marvel between Infinity War and Endgame to intro her in one and feature her in the other.
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Thanks for sharing your opinions, everyone. Sounds like I should skip a lot of that stuff. Although I'll probably still watch Defenders cuz its 8 episodes and has Daredevil...
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Season 1 of a lot of the Netflix stuff is super solid. Daredevil and JJ being the best for me. I don't know why there was such a steep quality drop after the first seasons but there was. Season 2 of Daredevil was evenly great (the Punisher stuff) and terrible (the Elektra stuff). Season 2 of JJ seemed to need characters to act out of character to drive the story along which is not great story telling. Season 2 of Cage was uneven. Never saw season 1 or 2 of Iron Fist. I think I stopped caring about the Netflix shows for season three. The only one I tried was Daredevil and I stopped around episode 4.
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Rental Sting posted:Thanks for sharing your opinions, everyone. Sounds like I should skip a lot of that stuff. Although I'll probably still watch Defenders cuz its 8 episodes and has Daredevil... Defenders is “fine”. Just go in prewarned it doesn’t stick the landing and there are good times in there. Do watch JJ S1 and then stop. Do watch Punisher S1 and then stop. Luke Cage is a scruffy mess that is half good then gets better, but Defenders and JJ S1 has him covered. Avoid Iron Fist but do YouTube the Colleen Wing fights as she’s The Best. Daredevil is solid loving gold for 3 seasons and I’m so glad he’s back. Best boy.
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Rental Sting posted:Thanks for sharing your opinions, everyone. Sounds like I should skip a lot of that stuff. Although I'll probably still watch Defenders cuz its 8 episodes and has Daredevil... For whatever it’s worth I enjoyed mostly all of it in some form or another. Like Defenders has a bad story but there’s a lot of fun character interaction. So I dunno. I’d recommend you watch along chronologically as long as you’re interested. It’s too much stuff to juggle opinions of each part. My take is it’s all worth trying and only you can decide if it’s worth continuing. But I’d say the lows are IF S1, Defenders, and JJ S2. And if I remember right those aired in succession which I think is what really soured people on the whole thing.
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Parkingtigers posted:Do watch JJ S1 and then stop. i mostly agree with this (really agree on punisher) but will add that i actually think cage s2 is worth watching as well because bushmaster is a pretty good sympathetic villain and they smartly kept him around through the entire season unlike cottonmouth in s1. the ending is pretty lol given it never got s3 same with iron fist s2. it's actually pretty decent (better than defenders or jj s2 anyways) and by the end it's set up some good stuff that sadly never came to fruition
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