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Is it just me or has there been a whole lot of X-villains who are just evil geneticists now? I suppose there's a thematic logic to the X-Men constantly fighting gene-splicing baddies, but I can't remember if it's always been this way or if every single ongoing title having some rando with a PhD cooking up some sci-fi genetic monstrosity in their lab is a more recent development.
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I feel like it's always been an X-Men villain archetype but the focus on genetics as battlefield of destiny in Powers of X, plus the prominence of Mr. Sinister in the Krakoa era, plus the fact that the protagonists now rely on cloning as a building block of their status quo, were all probably factors increasing the thematic relevance of the evil geneticist.
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Feb 27, 2023 03:00
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That and the way Krakoa is monolithically focused on the X-gene as what makes you a mutant, to the point of excluding non-X-gene mutants like Franklin Richards.
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Feb 27, 2023 03:06
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Well Richards was supposed to be in the mix of Krakoa but he was written out of it on the FF side.
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Feb 27, 2023 05:47
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Yeah, he was explicitly listed as an omega in HoX/PoX or X-Men and from interviews Hickman definitely sounded a bit bummed he had him taken away because of what Slott was writing.
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Feb 27, 2023 14:27
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Least it has a easy fix that it was not actually Xavier contacting him.
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Feb 27, 2023 20:26
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Rand Brittain posted:That and the way Krakoa is monolithically focused on the X-gene as what makes you a mutant, to the point of excluding non-X-gene mutants like Franklin Richards. Which is a bit iffy in the X Run itself. Juggernaut and Mimic are allowed on Krakoa and neither of them are mutants.
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Feb 27, 2023 20:28
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And Warlock and Broo.
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Feb 27, 2023 20:32
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rantmo posted:And Warlock and Broo. I'm pretty sure they are both mutants of their own race. Like, the x-gene is universal, not just in humans
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Feb 27, 2023 21:02
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Synesthesian Fetish posted:I'm pretty sure they are both mutants of their own race. Like, the x-gene is universal, not just in humans That's absolutely not the case with Warlock, at least. Broo I'm less confidant about. I'm pretty sure that the x-gene is earth based though, there are non-humans with the x-gene but they're all at least partially human so far as I can recall. Which non-humans have the x-gene?
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Feb 27, 2023 21:08
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Warlock's just considered a mutant socially because he doesn't want to murder.
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Feb 27, 2023 21:13
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Aphrodite posted:Warlock's just considered a mutant socially because he doesn't want to murder. Yeah, exactly this. The rest of the Technarchy/Phalanx are all genocidal weirdos with Warlock's dad Magus having been the worst of them. Apparently Broo is similar because he gets things like 'empathy for non-Brood.'
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Feb 27, 2023 21:29
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warlock's dad is Adam warlock?
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Feb 27, 2023 21:32
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X-Men Warlock and daddy Magus were introduced during a time Adam Warlock hadn't been used in several years, so speculation is it was a trademark protection thing.
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Feb 27, 2023 21:38
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lol
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Feb 27, 2023 21:40
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rantmo posted:That's absolutely not the case with Warlock, at least. Broo I'm less confidant about. I'm pretty sure that the x-gene is earth based though, there are non-humans with the x-gene but they're all at least partially human so far as I can recall. Which non-humans have the x-gene? https://imgur.com/a/v49RQ88 and https://imgur.com/a/dKApijB Synesthesian Fetish fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Feb 27, 2023 |
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Feb 27, 2023 22:47
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I'm not convinced that either of those are to be read as having the x-gene.
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Feb 27, 2023 22:52
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This just came up, but I'm pretty sure Warlock and Broo are mutants in the general sense of "not being typical members of their species," not literally having an X-gene. Along those lines, are there any Marvel characters who are mutants in that sense, ie having some kind of power naturally but not being a capital-M Mutant? No radioactive spider, no Eye of Agamatto, etc., just being able to conjure fire naturally? X-Men has been popular for so long I doubt there's anybody whom they wouldn't have just made a mutant, but it would be interesting to see if there's some kind of mutant/Mutant solidarity there.
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Feb 28, 2023 00:50
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isn't that just everyone who can use magic? so like all of strange academy
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Feb 28, 2023 01:02
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Quake was like that before they retconned her into being Inhuman.
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Feb 28, 2023 01:14
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rantmo posted:That's absolutely not the case with Warlock, at least. Broo I'm less confidant about. I'm pretty sure that the x-gene is earth based though, there are non-humans with the x-gene but they're all at least partially human so far as I can recall. Which non-humans have the x-gene? Warlock is there because Krakoa says he can be there. He and Doug fall into the "ultimately the island has the final say in what happens on it" clause, and the three of them are the architects of the current state of Krakoa. Doug talks to/is the voice of the island, and Krakoa allowed Warlock to terraform it.
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Feb 28, 2023 02:36
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rantmo posted:That's absolutely not the case with Warlock, at least. Broo I'm less confidant about. I'm pretty sure that the x-gene is earth based though, there are non-humans with the x-gene but they're all at least partially human so far as I can recall. Which non-humans have the x-gene? Weren't the Skrull Cadre-K written as capital-M Mutants? Really like to see them come back on Krakoa.
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Feb 28, 2023 03:30
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It'd be interesting if Cain was a low level mutant who's ability was to slowly absorb magical energy, which is why he retains some Juggernaut abilities even during the times when he's not bonded to the gem.
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We Got Us A Bread posted:Warlock is there because Krakoa says he can be there. He and Doug fall into the "ultimately the island has the final say in what happens on it" clause, and the three of them are the architects of the current state of Krakoa. Doug talks to/is the voice of the island, and Krakoa allowed Warlock to terraform it. Right, Warlock is not a capital x-gene mutant. Gravitas Shortfall posted:It'd be interesting if Cain was a low level mutant who's ability was to slowly absorb magical energy, which is why he retains some Juggernaut abilities even during the times when he's not bonded to the gem. Honestly, I wouldn't hate that.
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Checked out the new Rogue and Gambit book today, mostly because I've enjoyed their dynamic with Destiny in Duggan's run and had heard Manifold would be in this. A little too early for me to judge, as it mostly just set up the plot. Not much good or bad stood out. Will give it another issue or two to get going. Though it reminded me I need to check out Kelly Thompson's series.
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Omega Red tasting the giant's blood from Deadpool’s suit was such a character moment for him
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I'm enjoying Percy's stuff more than most I think, but it still felt great to see him wrap up a subplot in a relatively clean and conclusive way.
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one feature of the krakoa era has been adding in a seemingly endless array of anti-mutant villains. the difference from previous x-books is that none of them were ever really defeated and put out of action, even temporarily. other kinds of villains, sure. but not orchis and their ilk. so, i'll give percy that much. he actually ended it with this one instead of having the dude run off yet again and continue his bullshit.
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Did the new X-Force finally deal with that shady villain? Good. gently caress Hank.
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How Wonderful! posted:I'm enjoying Percy's stuff more than most I think, but it still felt great to see him wrap up a subplot in a relatively clean and conclusive way. Yeah i actually really liked this issue of X-Force
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Can't believe Beast finally got his comeuppance.
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The way that Orchis is a catch-all for all anti-mutant sentiment now feels a little too tidy for me. I guess it makes sense from a "All the mutants are united, so why wouldn't the villains?" except the mutants aren't really THAT united and it's not like you don't have factions in the real world dealing with multiple distinct groups that have irrational hatred towards them who probably wouldn't get along if they were in the same room.
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OnimaruXLR posted:The way that Orchis is a catch-all for all anti-mutant sentiment now feels a little too tidy for me. I guess it makes sense from a "All the mutants are united, so why wouldn't the villains?" except the mutants aren't really THAT united and it's not like you don't have factions in the real world dealing with multiple distinct groups that have irrational hatred towards them who probably wouldn't get along if they were in the same room. Mutants colonized Mars, declared themselves rulers of the solar system, and made themselves immortal. Their enemies weren't going to sit on the sidelines playing the same old game. e: Also on a narrative level you can't have the same level of enemies because current mutants would stomp them out. That's the problem with escalation in a medium like this. Everything needs to escalate if you want to keep the status quo. Mulva fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Mar 2, 2023 |
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Krakoa has also been very much showing a united front, even if they're not actually particularly united. But yeah, mutants claiming dominion over the solar system is certainly going to get the anti-mutant groups actually working together. (But also I think they've been hinting - if not outright stating - that some factions of Orchis aren't actually aware they're part of it.)
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Saoshyant posted:Can't believe Beast finally got his comeuppance. oh, no, the series' Big Bad is still at large I'm afraid
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:oh, no, the series' Big Bad is still at large I'm afraid I think the comeuppance will happen in Wolverine. If it’s XForce it’ll have to time jump a little since this issue happened before the last issue of Wolverine.
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Rochallor posted:Along those lines, are there any Marvel characters who are mutants in that sense, ie having some kind of power naturally but not being a capital-M Mutant? No radioactive spider, no Eye of Agamatto, etc., just being able to conjure fire naturally? X-Men has been popular for so long I doubt there's anybody whom they wouldn't have just made a mutant, but it would be interesting to see if there's some kind of mutant/Mutant solidarity there. I mean depending on how you count powers, you could count Valeria Richards. Like she's been explicitly stated to not be a mutant but also she was a supergenius at 3 so something's not normal
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I am pretty sure Beast will be dealt with in Wolverine. As Sage and Logan are united in taking him down there.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:It'd be interesting if Cain was a low level mutant who's ability was to slowly absorb magical energy, which is why he retains some Juggernaut abilities even during the times when he's not bonded to the gem. I have always said Cain should have a mostly useless mutant power entirely unrelated to his being Juggernaut and his connection to Cytorrak just masks his X-gene from scans and Cerebro. Perfect accent imitation is my go to.
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I kind of like that he is not a mutant.
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