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HD DAD posted:It’s so, so refreshing going back to the problem-of-the-week. Not just aforementioned fantastic Spock Amok, but also stuff like “let’s sing at this sentient asteroid to convince it not to hit a pre-warp civilization” or “a Boltzmann Brain wants a friend”. It’s just lovely stuff. That first one actually has the moment where Peck went from being 'pretty good as Spock' to just being Spock for me. His second motivational speech to Uhura is just written and performed perfectly to where it's like 'yep, that's Spock' for me.
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Beeftweeter posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFXie4nQf6E I'm just glad Shaw didn't get killed by a handrail
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Mar 1, 2023 20:35
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TulliusCicero posted:Who the gently caress did Whil Wheaton piss off in that writer's room? I'd bet real money that, to the extent that the writers knew/cared about TNG before this project, their main reference was Meme Wesley the annoying kid genius who everybody told to shut up all the time. So naturally when planning this thing out Matalas et. al. decided that nobody actually wanted Wesley Crusher back for anything, right?
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Mar 1, 2023 20:36
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The Chairman posted:I'm just glad Shaw didn't get killed by a handrail lol we'll see that's more blood than they usually show for someone that got owned by a bridge console, and he seems to be transferring command because he's gonna tap out i don't think it's going to be permanent of course either, but still episode seems like it's going to be enjoyable though so there's that. picard seems to be more of himself again, which is of course a welcome change
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Mar 1, 2023 20:47
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lol you guys thought there was a nuanced character development arc happening
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Alchenar posted:lol you guys thought there was a nuanced character development arc happening That patented Terry Matalas rug pull, folks! 
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Mar 1, 2023 20:53
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Alchenar posted:lol you guys thought there was a nuanced character development arc happening no no lol he definitely sticks around for more than a couple episodes. a lot of reviewers have said he's their favorite character but admittedly they are vague on just how long that continues for it's very obviously a convenient way for riker to take command of the titan though, which ultimately is what i'd expect from these writers. i wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't show up again for an episode or two
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Mar 1, 2023 20:55
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Beeftweeter posted:no no lol It would be insanely On Brand for Star Trek: Picard for everyone's favorite character to be the guy who dies in Episode 3 out of 10 and then the rest of the show sucks so badly everyone spends the rest of the season pining for the guy who disappears at the start of the show. Like how Laris and Zhaban were the best characters of Season 1 and they're gone by the 2.5 hour mark. Or how Laris is also the best character of Season 2 and she's out the door in 20 minutes that time. This show has A Thing that it sticks to...
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nine-gear crow posted:It would be insanely On Brand for Star Trek: Picard for everyone's favorite character to be the guy who dies in Episode 3 out of 10 and then the rest of the show sucks so badly everyone spends the rest of the season pining for the guy who disappears at the start of the show. Like how Laris and Zhaban were the best characters of Season 1 and they're gone by the 2.5 hour mark. Or how Laris is also the best character of Season 2 and she's out the door in 20 minutes that time. This show has A Thing that it sticks to... absolutely true also and i wouldn't expect anything much different to happen. as with most of the other characters it's one hell of a missed opportunity
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Mar 1, 2023 21:00
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Beeftweeter posted:lol we'll see Nah, when they panned down I'm fairly sure I saw some bone sticking out of his leg so the action makes sense even pro tempore.
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It's the most frustrating feature of these shows. The writers are perfectly capable of setting up interesting concepts for stories/characters and casting finds the right people for them. They give those ideas or characters just enough space in the script to breath and show their potential. And then they go 'gently caress doing something new or interesting, time for some extremely misplaced nostalgia for poorly remembered TNG'.
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Mar 1, 2023 21:03
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That could also easily be an excuse for the Crushers to be show how much the Titan's doctor sucks and shove her out of the way so Bev can do some crazy surgical thing she learned out on the fringes
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Plotac 75 posted:Nah, when they panned down I'm fairly sure I saw some bone sticking out of his leg so the action makes sense even pro tempore. yeah i watched it again and you're right, he does hurt his leg, but his speech sounds kind of confused and is noticeably slower. i guess we'll see one other thing that stuck out to me (i don't think this is really a spoiler): they blow away the shrike with a phaser-torpedo combo. well, cool, but how was the next line anything but "get us the hell out of here, any direction, maximum warp"
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Beeftweeter posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFXie4nQf6E Oh for gently caress sake We finally have a remotely interesting character and they are already sidelined For gently caress sake
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But this also means that the writers have moved beyond their One Werid Trick to write off charecters in that he is not left behind in a random bar.
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Alchenar posted:It's the most frustrating feature of these shows. The writers are perfectly capable of setting up interesting concepts for stories/characters and casting finds the right people for them. They give those ideas or characters just enough space in the script to breath and show their potential. And then they go 'gently caress doing something new or interesting, time for some extremely misplaced nostalgia for poorly remembered TNG'. It is the Anti-Mandalorian in a lot of ways. Mando, at least in its first season, before Season 2 also devolved into a parade of nostalgia fanservice, was an incredibly collaborative environment to the point where the directors for each episode of the season basically formed a little pack that went everywhere together and were on set for the whole drat show shadowing the director whose "turn" it was to direct, observing and giving feedback, and then taking into account what the others would say and suggest when it came to be their turn. That's why Bryce Dallas Howard's episodes were the two best the show has done so far because she utilized the gently caress out of her talent pool around he on top of jut being a naturally gifted director AND the nepo baby of another insanely gifted director. Picard's writers room seems to be the inverse of that. Instead of a group of people collaborating to tell a complete and coherent story from episode to episode, each writer for each episode goes off into their cubicle and writes whatever the gently caress they feel like this episode should be about in a complete vaccum and then turn their scripts in to Akiva Goldsman who looks at them and goes "Oh fuuuuck I hope this comes together in the editing booth" while Terry Matalas is out there getting in Twitter spats with folks just asking him minor questions and going on the livestreams of racist shitbags like Robert Meyer Burnett and Gary Beuchler and going "Do you guys love me yet? Please tell me you love me. My ego can't handle you not loving me  "
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Twincityhacker posted:But this also means that the writers have moved beyond their One Werid Trick to write off charecters in that he is not left behind in a random bar. when you think about it, the ship is shaw's bar, really
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TulliusCicero posted:Oh for gently caress sake I mean, at least his skeleton didn’t graphically explode due to a spatial anomaly or alien torture technique, as would’ve been the case in season 1. Skull Trek actually holding back for a change.
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Mar 1, 2023 21:16
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Maybe he gets blown up every episode from now on but just barely lives, like their own version of Kenny
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We still have 8 more episodes for some major character to be reduced to a gibbering blood skeleton before they fall apart to cartoon xylophone sounds.
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HD DAD posted:We still have 8 more episodes for some major character to be reduced to a gibbering blood skeleton before they fall apart to cartoon xylophone sounds. RIP Admiral Nechayev
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Beeftweeter posted:yeah i watched it again and you're right, he does hurt his leg, but his speech sounds kind of confused and is noticeably slower. i guess we'll see he mostly sounds pissed as hell, like he's struggling to keep himself from just cussing at Riker until he passes out from blood loss
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This is an awful lot of blood, compound fractures, decapitations, and vaporizations What if they had kept Sneed around as like... a lovable foil character for future use? Like a Brunt? Nah, better just chop his head off
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Gonz posted:RIP Admiral Nechayev Janeway comes blasting in to save the day in the Voyager-B and the ship is ripped apart by Vadic's portal gun deck by deck so you see all the crew bodies flying out as the ship completely decompresses and then the remains are portaled inside of itself so it just turns into a clump of meat and steel. Before this happens, we clearly see that she's joined on the bridge by Chakotay, Paris, B'Elana, The Doctor, Harry Kim, Naomi Wildman, Tuvok, Dal, Gynn, Rok Tahk, Jankom Pog, Murf, and Zero who all die screaming alongside her. Neelix then shows up in a fart ship and is like "Oooo, what did I miss?" Also Sisko's body flies at the camera and hit the Titan's bridge window leaving behind a bloody smear because he was also on the V-B for a minute or two.
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nine-gear crow posted:Janeway comes blasting in to save the day in the Voyager-B and the ship is ripped apart by Vadic's portal gun deck by deck so you see all the crew bodies flying out as the ship completely decompresses and then the remains are portaled inside of itself so it just turns into a clump of meat and steel. Before this happens, we clearly see that she's joined on the bridge by Chakotay, Paris, B'Elana, The Doctor, Harry Kim, Naomi Wildman, Tuvok, Dal, Gynn, Rok Tahk, Jankom Pog, Murf, and Zero who all die screaming alongside her. ... and then Alexander is the main character?
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They have to turn on the windshield wipers to get Sisko’s mutilated body off of the viewscreen.
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nine-gear crow posted:It would be insanely On Brand for Star Trek: Picard for everyone's favorite character to be the guy who dies in Episode 3 out of 10 and then the rest of the show sucks so badly everyone spends the rest of the season pining for the guy who disappears at the start of the show. Like how Laris and Zhaban were the best characters of Season 1 and they're gone by the 2.5 hour mark. Or how Laris is also the best character of Season 2 and she's out the door in 20 minutes that time. This show has A Thing that it sticks to... Literally the most potentially interesting characters are sidelined for the most awful poo poo drek imaginable Your observation about this show being the Anti-Mandalorian is loving spot on: it's just everyone's idea into every episode with no loving rhyme or reason. I've actually tried to think of a "bad character" from 90s Trek that I compare to Picard's cast of boring fucks but honestly even Voyager has miles better characterization. I can't even remember most of the crew and their actual backstory or even motivation or personality, it's kind of stunning. Picard-old, Loves Data, loves Soji I guess, now a robut who mind melds, loves long winded speeches Riker-seems like old Riker Seven of 9-became Samus for a little bit, now Federation again Raffi- rehab lady with son who doesn't like her, does dumb poo poo like live in squalor in society with free replicators, yells at Picard, shoots phasers in 2024. (Has anyone ever said anything about how loving wierd and problematic this character is written?) Soji/ Dajj-scientist android lady maybe. Never seen again. Likes and enjoys ??? Goals are ??? Brent Spiner-an Android or a Soong Rios-Captain drunk man. Kind of liked him Agnes- android expert, resident wierdo/ borg queen. Really started liking her. Elnore- Sub Zero Romulan Wonder Twins- EVIL and EVILER EVIL SOJI gently caress me I forgot about Jack Crusher, that new Amazing character Am I missing anyone? No seriously why is the only person of color a former drug user in the loving far future where reasons for drug use have largely eliminated? And has a broken family? What the actual gently caress Picard?! TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Mar 1, 2023 |
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TulliusCicero posted:Am I missing anyone? Laris - cool space wine mom minus the kids, super spy, loves Irish cursing, very smart, hot for Picard, shows up for 20 minutes once a year and then vanishes Not Laris - she was not Laris, also a time cop with a purple smoke door, she's also dead now Zhaban - cool space dad minus the kids, super spy, comically dense but actually really smart, was married to Laris, now he's dead I guess Admiral Clancy - told Picard to gently caress off, told Picard to shut the gently caress up, was actually right about literally everything, also just loving gone now goodbye Bruce Maddox - not played by the same guy who played him in TNG, has like three lines of dialog, weird February-December romance with Jurati, also dead Bajayzyl - Her name make me think it's someone trying to come up with a slang word for vagina and failing, hosed Seven for a bit, hosed over Seven once, got loving atomized by Seven, she was mildly fun for the three seconds she was on screen
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nine-gear crow posted:Laris - cool space wine mom minus the kids, super spy, loves Irish cursing, very smart, hot for Picard, shows up for 20 minutes once a year and then vanishes I left the Tal Shiar butlers off the list because they could be interesting and kind of awesome, same with Shaw but given no screen time. Was Bajayzal (  ) the evil Marina Sirtis look a like?
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Mar 1, 2023 21:44
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How are you people forgetting Oh and her sunglasses.
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TulliusCicero posted:I left the Tal Shiar butlers off the list because they could be interesting and kind of awesome, same with Shaw but given no screen time. She was Seven's ex-girlfriend who murdered Icheb.
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they want to show the ship attacks causing more damage to crew physically, but if they're gonna play that loving game then they need to install seatbelts and proper chairs and consoles
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Didn't S1 Picard originally set up the synthetics were framed for Mars by the Slurm Wurm, and thus actually innocent? ...Except when they actually reach the Android planet they are in a loving cult and turns out EVIL SOJI totally wants to destroy all organic life in the galaxy, and trying to summon robo Cthulu, thus proving the Romulan Slurm Wurm organization completely right? ...Did I hallucinate that?
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Shaw being immediately sidelined in the first volley is definitely dumb. But I won’t lie, Picard telling Riker to call him Number One is a fun moment. It’s nice to see Stewart and Frakes still have good chemistry after all these years.
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TulliusCicero posted:Didn't S1 Picard originally set up the synthetics were framed for Mars by the Slurm Wurm, and thus actually innocent? No, that is all correct.
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We could’ve had a Riker show where he just listens to jazz, makes awful pizzas, plays the trombone and occasionally shittalks renegade alien captains to their faces.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Shaw being immediately sidelined in the first volley is definitely dumb. But I won’t lie, Picard telling Riker to call him Number One is a fun moment. It’s nice to see Stewart and Frakes still have good chemistry after all these years. Michelle Hurd says she walked in on Frakes noogying Stewart and them both laughing like two year olds on set one day, so yeah they are still bros for life.
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Not going to lie, Frakes is the best part of this heap at the moment and he's still got it. A Riker USS Titan show would own. Honestly would have been fun to see a Riker or Sulu show (my God please do more poo poo in the Wrath of Khan era, it's such a fun time period)
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nine-gear crow posted:Michelle Hurd says she walked in on Frakes noogying Stewart and them both laughing like two year olds on set one day, so yeah they are still bros for life. Michelle Hurd deserves a better written character. Just holy poo poo what a disservice.
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I had a dream last night that I was hanging out with Patrick Stewart, Jonathan Frakes, and Marina Sirtis and berating them for how bad Picard was. My wife told me I was being too harsh but it felt justified to me. We're about halfway through Enterprise season 1 and it's not as bad as expected? It's not great, but it definitely benefits from being watched alongside Picard. Archer feels more like an annoyed teacher than a captain to me, and Trip is kind of annoying, but the rest of the cast is fine. How does promotion work in Starfleet anyhow? Rios was apparently out of Starfleet in 2399 and a captain by 2401, and Seven was...apparently made a captain by Picard's order in Picard season 2 and then just sort of stayed on as an officer despite not previously serving. Seems like a poo poo deal for the people who try to work their way up the ranks through conventional means.
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