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OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I worry sometimes that if you brushed my hair wrong and stuffed me into a suit I would look like a youngincreasingly middle aged tory.

Like is it style or is there actually some skull measuring you can do to find tories?

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Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

OwlFancier posted:

I worry sometimes that if you brushed my hair wrong and stuffed me into a suit I would look like a youngincreasingly middle aged tory.

Like is it style or is there actually some skull measuring you can do to find tories?

I know the answer to this, but it contains a derogatory term which seems to have originated from an Old Norse term for lady bits. With 'ometer' on the end.

If you hold it up and it glows red, you are a tory, if it glows green you are safe.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I was more meaning that it really feels like you can clock a tory just by looking at their head shape, which worries me because I don't feel like that's true in any other instance but god drat do young tories have a really distinct look, and it feels like it runs deeper than just a bad haircut and a suit.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

OwlFancier posted:

I was more meaning that it really feels like you can clock a tory just by looking at their head shape, which worries me because I don't feel like that's true in any other instance but god drat do young tories have a really distinct look, and it feels like it runs deeper than just a bad haircut and a suit.

Young tories have a certain look which I'm sure they cultivate. My nephew, son of Tory Boy, has gone out of his way to cultivate that kind of "Junior Rees-Mogg" look despite being considerably more round in shape than the Haunted Pencil.

But when you get older it's harder to tell just by looking, which is not to say people won't 'decide' based on their own prejudices.
Woman in a business suit? Defo a tory. Not.
Woman in long floaty skirt with umpteen scarves - defo Green. Not.
Woman with short hair, dangly earrings, stripey trousers and those weird vegan black strap shoes, definitely the L part of LBGT+. Not.

I'm just laughing because for some reason this reminds me of when two gay male friends stayed overnight with me on their way cross country to Ireland and they sported wedding rings. They took mum & me out for a meal and my mum suddenly rushed off to the loo. Later she said "I was just about to ask about whether their wives minded them going off on a trip together when it suddenly clicked! So I went to the loo to stop myself blurting it out about wives".

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 03:11 on Mar 2, 2023

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

The Question IRL posted:

I'd love for them to publish the messages when Marcus Rushford took on the Tory Party to ensure kids were fed.
Oh you know there would be some heated gamer moments in there, the problem is it would instantly reconsolidate their traditional base. "Oh thank god, they are still racist after all."

Sir Sidney Poitier
Aug 14, 2006

My favourite actor


Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Young tories have a certain look which I'm sure they cultivate.

Floppy hair, chinos, blue blazer. I write as I'm wearing that, aside from the hair. I don't often have to stress smart casual and this is how wife dressed me. There's no mistaking me for a tory though, long hair, beard (strictly forbidden) and various piercings including face.

Lungboy
Aug 23, 2002

NEED SQUAT FORM HELP

The Question IRL posted:

I think the disappointing part is it seems the WhatsApp messages are only tied to Covid and Lockdown.

I'd love for them to publish the messages when Marcus Rushford took on the Tory Party to ensure kids were fed.

I know it was a long time ago but you have this wrong. Rashford had a minor role, it was actually the mighty Labour party that put the Tories on notice and got the food issue sorted.

smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016

OwlFancier posted:

I was more meaning that it really feels like you can clock a tory just by looking at their head shape, which worries me because I don't feel like that's true in any other instance but god drat do young tories have a really distinct look, and it feels like it runs deeper than just a bad haircut and a suit.

You don’t need to delve into head shapes. One of the pricks is an a pub wearing a loving spotty bow tie

kecske
Feb 28, 2011

it's round, like always

bessantj posted:

Recalling his childhood, he said "our garden was our foodbank".

just planting veg and keeping chickens in the windowboxes of my third floor flat (which is also wrapped in kindling)

smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016

Lmao

Sir Sidney Poitier
Aug 14, 2006

My favourite actor


Missed opportunity for Harry Tosser.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

loving hell lmao

Edit although I would've changed one letter in there...

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

Conservatives are just Children desperate to be seen as adults.

Small Strange Bird
Sep 22, 2006

Merci, chaton!
So 30p Lee is fully aboard the "when I were a lad, we grew our own food in't garden of our council house and our chickens gave us all the eggs we could eat" train, huh?

I just checked and he's the same age as me. I lived in a literal one-up, one-down terrace on a cobbled Yorkshire street for the first several years of my life, and I never met - or even heard of - anyone who had supplemented their food supply like Tom and Barbara Good. Either he's full of poo poo (quite likely) or his family had plenty of spare time and money to turn their garden into a personal farm.

StarkingBarfish
Jun 25, 2006

Novus Ordo Seclorum

Nilbop posted:

So 4 Protestants, including a former active Loyalist (no embellishment given) were arrested over the "New IRA's" (air quotes mine) murder of lead detective Jim Caldwell.

https://www.sundayworld.com/crime/c...1105623123.html

This comes days after 4 men who were initially arrested regarding the killing, all well-known Republicans, were released unconditionally.


loving Jesus oval office.


I understand that some of you hate living in your native England or Scotland or, god forbid, Guernsey.

But please understand the absolute loving damage living in this impoverished remnant of an apartheid state has on the human soul, every single loving day.

Oh well, cheer up. Marching season's right around the corner. :shepicide:

So... it was a false fleg?

Elliptical Dick
Oct 11, 2008

I made the bald man cry
into the turtle stew

OwlFancier posted:

I was more meaning that it really feels like you can clock a tory just by looking at their head shape, which worries me because I don't feel like that's true in any other instance but god drat do young tories have a really distinct look, and it feels like it runs deeper than just a bad haircut and a suit.

I think you're joking but I find this sort of discourse deeply uncomfortable whether it's a joke or not.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Besides it's not their head shape it's that all tories go to specific barber shops and ask for "The oval office" and while it varies person to person the overall effect is the same: instantly clockable.

Both in terms of being able to clock them and wanting to clock them.

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

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fuctifino posted:

https://twitter.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1631049883078606854

I'm going to be getting another twitter ban by replying with 'Looks a bit noncey tbh. Two of them haven't even bothered to change out of their school uniform.'

bit 14 words, innit

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
Likes Cake, Hates Hamsters



Gonzo McFee posted:

Conservatives are just Children desperate to be seen as adults.

I think it extremely likely that there is a correlation between this look and being deeply wounded by your relationship with your unavailable dad.

You either go full Frank Turner and become the patron saint of the waifs and strays or full Tory and become the patron saint of desperately climbing the ladder standing on literally anyone who gets in your way in a bid to get some sort of recognition from your father.

Eton and many other private boarding schools are not good places and what they do to many people who go there is actually very sad, for them and us.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
It's called the nuclear family because it's about as healthy for kids as raising them on top of the Elephant's Foot.

kecske
Feb 28, 2011

it's round, like always



give me sugar, in water

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

wiggly eyes!



fuctifino posted:

I was given a 12 hour ban yesterday for three tweets that I sent to 30p Lee Anderson a few weeks back. Apparently I was bullying the little fascist

Bully a fascist and don't have to use twitter for 12 hours? Don't threaten me with a good time.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Zalakwe posted:

Frank Turner

not sure the dude who calls socialism "retarded" and called himself right-wing until he got poo poo for it and changed it to "libertarian" is necessary one end of a spectrum from good to bad https://www.theguardian.com/music/2012/sep/05/frank-turner-im-not-a-tory

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

kecske posted:



give me sugar, in water

that's robert webb's son and you can't convince me otherwise

Isomermaid
Dec 3, 2019

Swish swish, like a fish

Gonzo McFee posted:

Conservatives are just Children desperate to be seen as adults.

It carries through to adulthood as well. It's impossible to look at the likes of Gove and Rees Mogg without seeing the cosplaying child, they're just never ever going to read as adults to me. I think it's the public school thing, honestly. The places brutalise kids that go through them and instill trauma at a formative age, and I'm pretty sure it's stunting in all sorts of ways.

You either come out of that with a lifetime of therapy to do or just really eager to ascend to your place in the hierarchy that destroyed you, performing and reproducing the same cruelty on the rest of the world, your sense of worth forever tied to being an effective monster. Tory MPs, basically.

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

This title contains sponsored content.

Tesseraction posted:

not sure the dude who calls socialism "retarded" and called himself right-wing until he got poo poo for it and changed it to "libertarian" is necessary one end of a spectrum from good to bad https://www.theguardian.com/music/2012/sep/05/frank-turner-im-not-a-tory

Frank Turner is a total dumbass but he brings Grace Petrie on tour so he can't be all bad.

Just Another Lurker
May 1, 2009

StarkingBarfish posted:

So... it was a false fleg?

I'm guessing: :cocaine: :cocaine: :cocaine: :cocaine: :cocaine: more than anything else.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Gonzo McFee posted:

Conservatives are just Children desperate to be seen as adults.

Zalakwe posted:

I think it extremely likely that there is a correlation between this look and being deeply wounded by your relationship with your unavailable dad.

QFT, speaking as a recovered conservative and son of a virulent conservative who never recovered from his own bad relationship with his own dad


Tesseraction posted:

that's robert webb's son and you can't convince me otherwise

Well that'd mean his dad's a oval office as well, so also true

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

josh04 posted:

Frank Turner is a total dumbass but he brings Grace Petrie on tour so he can't be all bad.

Yeah I mostly think he's an idiot who doesn't understand politics but he writes some good songs. His old band were good too.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


josh04 posted:

Frank Turner is a total dumbass but he brings Grace Petrie on tour so he can't be all bad.

But he went to Eton so he can be mostly bad

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Tesseraction posted:

called himself right-wing until he got poo poo for it and changed it to "libertarian"

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
Likes Cake, Hates Hamsters



Tesseraction posted:

not sure the dude who calls socialism "retarded" and called himself right-wing until he got poo poo for it and changed it to "libertarian" is necessary one end of a spectrum from good to bad https://www.theguardian.com/music/2012/sep/05/frank-turner-im-not-a-tory

I didn't know that to be fair but ten years ago I was working for the Lib Dems. poo poo changes. For example I very much enjoyed Frank leading the singalong to Thatcher hosed the Kids in Dundee a few weeks ago while that Gaudian article says he regrets writing it.

Frank is a complicated guy, will happily and readily admit he has hosed up a lot, and has spent his whole career with his heart on his sleeve working through what his childhood did to him. He would just be starting to realise the impact all the coke and booze was having in his life round the time of that Guardian interview as well. Not sure if he was off it.

What you don't get from him is performative politics or lies and I think it's good to have people like that around. The world simply isn't as black and white as words on the internet makes it seem. Here is a more recent interview of his and while it doesn't go full gay luxury communism or anything like that it gives a flavour of how his views have shifted and I think the quote for the headline says a lot about his growth. https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/frank-turner-interview-addiction-dad-b2004119.html

forkboy84 posted:

But he went to Eton so he can be mostly bad

He has a tune on his latest album about how Eton was child abuse.

josh04 posted:

Frank Turner is a total dumbass but he brings Grace Petrie on tour so he can't be all bad.

He produces Grace Petrie as well I believe.


Zalakwe fucked around with this message at 10:54 on Mar 2, 2023

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
https://twitter.com/Obsayxx/status/1631225759900549121?s=20

I wonder how many people expelled from the Labour Party have actually been expelled SPECIFICALLY for anti-semitism rather than other trumped up charges?
I would have thought LP would have been careful not to state anti-semitism given libel / slander etc laws?

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

Zalakwe posted:

I think it extremely likely that there is a correlation between this look and being deeply wounded by your relationship with your unavailable dad.

You either go full Frank Turner and become the patron saint of the waifs and strays or full Tory and become the patron saint of desperately climbing the ladder standing on literally anyone who gets in your way in a bid to get some sort of recognition from your father.

Eton and many other private boarding schools are not good places and what they do to many people who go there is actually very sad, for them and us.

I mean Lee Anderson is actually working class, it's just he's from the working class where his dad was a scab miner.

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


kecske posted:

just planting veg and keeping chickens in the windowboxes of my third floor flat (which is also wrapped in kindling)

I have a garden I do plant veg in, I quite like growing veg but I couldn't have chickens as my landlord wouldn't allow it.

What also pisses me off is that you'd have people like Anderson saying "Well, if Corbyn gets in we'll all be reduced to growing veg in our garden so we don't starve."

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Gonzo McFee posted:

I mean Lee Anderson is actually working class, it's just he's from the working class where his dad was a scab miner.

Worst kind of class traitor.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
I always remember Mick McGahey on tv during the strikes saying "Get out ma bloody road". I'd love to find a clip of it but alas it was years before youtube existed!

I still mutter it under my breath when I'm undergoing trolley rage in the supermarket or pool rage at the swimming pool.

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
Likes Cake, Hates Hamsters



Gonzo McFee posted:

I mean Lee Anderson is actually working class, it's just he's from the working class where his dad was a scab miner.

That's not his son though is it?

Kin
Nov 4, 2003

Sometimes, in a city this dirty, you need a real hero.

80ish years for English pride to die off enough for cities/regions to defect to Scotland instead of London?

How long have you lot been banging your World Cup drum again?

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Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~
80 years? gently caress, I'm ready now. Come take me, Flower of Scotland

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