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What is the most powerful flying bug?
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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
🐦 67 16.58%
dragonfly 94 23.27%
🦟 14 3.47%
🐝 87 21.53%
Total: 404 votes
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Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

COOL

get me out of this whack rear end western empire

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gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
The port at Hambantota is gonna blow up, the media will tell us China did it, and then three months later an expose will be written by, I dunno, Russell Brand showing US Navy ships leaving Diego Garcia and heading for Sri Lanka

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Slim Jim Pickens posted:

More broadly it's because a state's institutions (not necessarily elite) reinforce themselves, but as circumstances change, their purposes can become completely unhelpful. A straightforward example is Rome, which was a heavily militarized state with an insanely ambitious officer corps that basically had privatized armies, who could reward the state via semi-independent campaigns of enslavement-conquest-colonialism and could bounce back from any sort of foreign defeat. The problem was that the military sustained itself on conquering populated land, and the Romans ran out of people to victimize, leading to infighting that progressively destabilized the empire until it was almost in perpetual civil war.

This has little to do with decadence, but the natural shortsightedness that a group of people who self-select to maintain a similar group might develop over long periods of time.

The same thing happened with the Qinq and the Manchu Banner system.

The Manchu Way: The Eight Banners and Ethnic Identity in Late Imperial China

In 1644, the Manchus, a relatively unknown people inhabiting China’s rude northeastern frontier, overthrew the Ming, Asia’s mightiest rulers, and established the Qing dynasty, which endured to 1912. From this event arises one of Chinese history’s great conundrums: How did a barely literate alien people manage to remain in power for nearly 300 years over a highly cultured population that was vastly superior in number? This problem has fascinated scholars for almost a century, but until now no one has approached the question from the Manchu point of view.

This book, the first in any language to be based mainly on Manchu documents, supplies a radically new perspective on the formative period of the modern Chinese nation. Drawing on recent critical notions of ethnicity, the author explores the evolution of the “Eight Banners,” a unique Manchu system of social and military organization that was instrumental in the conquest of the Ming.

The author argues that as rulers of China the Manchu conquerors had to behave like Confucian monarchs, but that as a non-Han minority they faced other, more complex considerations as well. Their power derived not only from the acceptance of orthodox Chinese notions of legitimacy, but also, the author suggests, from Manchu “ethnic sovereignty,” which depended on the sustained coherence of the conquerors.

When, in the early 1700s, this coherence was threatened by rapid acculturation and the prospective loss of Manchu distinctiveness, the Qing court, always insecure, desperately urged its minions to uphold the traditions of an idealized “Manchu Way.” However, the author shows that it was not this appeal but rather the articulation of a broader identity grounded in the realities of Eight Banner life that succeeded in preserving Manchu ethnicity, and the Qing dynasty along with it, into the twentieth century.

"You start out in 1644 by saying 'archery, horsemanship, warrior' but by 1800 you can't say 'warrior' - that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, Red Banner, Bordered Blue Banner, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now you're talking about passing exams, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, Han get hurt worse than Manchu... 'we want to tax this,' is much more abstract than even the banner thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than 'warrior, warrior'."

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
it's cool how obviously and inevitably we are heading towards a world splitting confrontation with China because the west will not share even 1% of the 'bounty'. China, like Russia, is not allowed to have a sphere of influence. So we're heading towards ruin either via violence or just because of worldwide economic disruption. And 99% of the western public cannot perceive this even through its unfolding before them like the worst most overwrought political drama. Like just piece it together how there's been almost a decade of drip fed anti-china bullshit. Doesn't it all seem a bit fishy and formulaic? No? Well gently caress.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Regarde Aduck posted:

it's cool how obviously and inevitably we are heading towards a world splitting confrontation with China because the west will not share even 1% of the 'bounty'. China, like Russia, is not allowed to have a sphere of influence. So we're heading towards ruin either via violence or just because of worldwide economic disruption. And 99% of the western public cannot perceive this even through its unfolding before them like the worst most overwrought political drama. Like just piece it together how there's been almost a decade of drip fed anti-china bullshit. Doesn't it all seem a bit fishy and formulaic? No? Well gently caress.

It's all about primacy. If the USA waits another generation China wins by default and the USA can never regain the lead. It's now or never. China's best play would be to play this out for as long as possible.

Saddle up common folk, whoever wins you get to be the meat in the sandwich.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
I'm just glad the whites are moving on from anti-arab anti-muslim racism hopefully this means that I'll finally be able to go to america, canada, britain and europe without applying for a visa six months in advance.

Tough luck to the chinese and russians out there.

Al-Saqr has issued a correction as of 11:02 on Mar 2, 2023

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

"barbarism isnt real," i assure myself as i close my eyes and ram the world economy with my lovely f-35

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Zodium posted:

"barbarism isnt real," i assure myself as i close my eyes and ram the world economy with my lovely f-35

One of the reasons we don't have artillery parks of tank fleets anymore. Who needs that old poo poo when we have stealth networked airborne wunderwaffe with super missiles.

Which we can't afford to buy, operate, use, deploy or re-arm if we actually did. Replacements might have a lead time of a decade, or never. Also may not perform as advertised.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

DancingShade posted:


Saddle up common folk, whoever wins you get to be the meat in the sandwich.

I hope the chinese win so I can be a Szechuan beef dish instead that has more flavour in it. Hopefully with a nice heap of mixed fried rice.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Al-Saqr posted:

I hope the chinese win so I can be a Szechuan beef dish instead that has more flavour in it. Hopefully with a nice heap of mixed fried rice.

A good fried rice dish is real indulgence food. Tasty.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Ytlaya posted:

The only reason I'm still hesitant to come to any particular strong conclusions is that last year the situation seemed kind of similar (Russia gradually progressing while causing massive casualties via artillery to the Ukrainian troops) and then suddenly Russia's line broke and Ukraine took a couple significant cities.


Yeah, in the absence of any reliable information about the actual state and disposition of the opposed militaries, we're all just spitballing and attempting to read between the lines of the reporting that we do have access to.

For me, we'll see the truth of things later on in the Spring, once the mud dries up. If the Russians launch big, successful offensives and drive the Ukrainians back, then we'll know that the Russians have indeed successfully reorganised and prepared themselves and that Ukraine is indeed losing the ability to successfully resist. If it's the Ukrainians who launch successful offensives, then we'll know that the Russians really are in a desperate situation and that the Ukrainians have retained the ability to take the initiative and push back forcefully. Until we actually see facts on the ground, it's all just reading the tea leaves.

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

wars are intrinsically unpredictable. all the data are unreliable and grossly incomplete garbage, and even if they weren't, there's no scientific theory of war. people are just guessing.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

DancingShade posted:

One of the reasons we don't have artillery parks of tank fleets anymore. Who needs that old poo poo when we have stealth networked airborne wunderwaffe with super missiles.

Which we can't afford to buy, operate, use, deploy or re-arm if we actually did. Replacements might have a lead time of a decade, or never. Also may not perform as advertised.

I'll try to find whichever book visualized this, but a bit of trivia:

One of the incredible things about the Hawker Typhoon was that its 8 rockets were equivalent to a broadside from a destroyer or a salvo from an artillery battery. So you could consider each sortie as that amount of firepower, delivered by four aircraft, happening all at once instead of over x minutes to adjust on and fire 4 salvos. Obviously it got people really excited and was part of the reason why directed air support as a concept gained traction in North-West Europe.

Well, so far as I know, with the internal bomb load, the F-35 does not really improve on, let alone replace, other forms of fire support.

It's particularly surprising if you consider the bgmbloads of US fighter bombers over say Vietnam




Let me pre-empt MLMP by saying the F-35 could carry more bombs than Vietnam era tactical aviation, I just don't see any indication that it's planned to or will. I've never seen one loaded with the full 20 000 lbs or whatever of stores.

Comrade Koba
Jul 2, 2007

Al-Saqr posted:

I'm just glad the whites are moving on from anti-arab anti-muslim racism hopefully this means that I'll finally be able to go to america, canada, britain and europe without applying for a visa six months in advance.

on the other hand, why the gently caress would you want to go to any of those places?

edit: is it because warhammer poo poo is cheaper there?

Comrade Koba has issued a correction as of 11:31 on Mar 2, 2023

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

Comrade Koba posted:

on the other hand, why the gently caress would you want to go to any of those places?

why not? they have lots of nice things to do and cool people to meet and americas national parks are insanely stunning.

Comrade Koba posted:


edit: is it because warhammer poo poo is cheaper there?

yes.

Comrade Koba
Jul 2, 2007

Al-Saqr posted:

cool people to meet

i’m afraid i have some bad news for you

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

Comrade Koba posted:

i’m afraid i have some bad news for you

go outside dude the world isnt as bleak as the internet tells you it is.

Comrade Koba
Jul 2, 2007

Al-Saqr posted:

go outside dude the world isnt as bleak as the internet tells you it is.

i’m just joking with you dude, chill :unsmith:

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

Comrade Koba posted:

i’m just joking with you dude, chill :unsmith:

the reason why im so mad is because surely, a world with you in it isnt all that bad. :glomp:

January 6 Survivor
Jan 6, 2022

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just gently caress already

or paint little orc soldiers figurines together idk

cncgnxcg
Jul 20, 2022

would it surprise you to learn that this guy once voted against making raping your spouse illegal

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

Al-Saqr posted:

go outside dude the world isnt as bleak as the internet tells you it is.

i'm genuinely evil

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

Zodium posted:

i'm genuinely evil

me too, but because I torture the good I know there are good people out there.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Al-Saqr posted:

go outside dude the world isnt as bleak as the internet tells you it is.

The US has gotten pretty depressing even compared to a few years ago. It isn’t literally on fire but eh, Portland for example used to be a pretty great city and now it’s half a ghost town. If I never went there before the nature would be impressive but the part where humans live I don’t know.

California has also gotten pretty weird/depressing as well. I don’t think things are going well at all. A lot of people are dying from hit and runs/overdosing/violent crime etc, and (if they are homeless) from the elements beyond all the other issues the US has just compared to 2019.

It doesn't sound like things in the US are going that great either but I don't know if it is the same way as the US.

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 12:25 on Mar 2, 2023

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

i would tell you to go to the Warhammer HQ because it's pretty chill but it's in Nottingham and there's a good chance you'd get stabbed

not for racist reasons, just normal British knife crime reasons

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

Ardennes posted:

Yeah, there is supposedly even a Chinese themed station on the line, and several with vaguely socialist realist interiors.

I don’t know if pics of the new stations have been posted yet, but Moscow really does have a very good if not world class transportation system despite everything.





really nice to see goons find real jobs

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Ytlaya posted:

The only reason I'm still hesitant to come to any particular strong conclusions is that last year the situation seemed kind of similar (Russia gradually progressing while causing massive casualties via artillery to the Ukrainian troops) and then suddenly Russia's line broke and Ukraine took a couple significant cities.

There's obviously some practical limit to that sort of thing (there are only so many people who are motivated/trained), and Ukraine is likely to hit it sooner than Russia due to higher casualties, but it's hard to say when that limit will come.

It is funny an interview from some Finnish officers came out and they admitted that the Ukrainians don't really have the training for offensive operations (this was actually posted in one of the other threads), and that the Ukrainians were advancing after the Russians retreated. This was difficult to tell in the fog of war but I do think at the time it didn't seem like the Russians were putting much of a fight. On the Russian side, they know the Ukrainians aren't going to voluntarily retreat and the aim is just to keep on hitting them until they can't keep their line together or have to place green units in critical sectors.

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Anyway, an F-111 could still carry 31k lbs of bombs versus 20,700 on a F-35 even utilizing its external racks (which would negate it's stealth). One of the real limitations of most 5th gens in a fighter-bomber role is their actual capacity is pretty slim and they really do need to hit the right targets spot on.

Truga posted:

really nice to see goons find real jobs

Ironically enough, the station that the thread hates was designed by the CRRC.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

Regarde Aduck posted:

i would tell you to go to the Warhammer HQ because it's pretty chill but it's in Nottingham and there's a good chance you'd get stabbed

not for racist reasons, just normal British knife crime reasons

I actually went there once when I was interested in warhammer as a wee babby and at the time they had an art gallery that was showing off the concept art of warhammer, it blew my brains that all of those incredible pieces were actual paintings and ink wash drawings, stunning stuff!

Nottingham seemed fine just a boring suburban town.

I'll probably go to warhammer fest in 2024.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Al-Saqr posted:

I actually went there once when I was interested in warhammer as a wee babby and at the time they had an art gallery that was showing off the concept art of warhammer, it blew my brains that all of those incredible pieces were actual paintings and ink wash drawings, stunning stuff!

Nottingham seemed fine just a boring suburban town.

I'll probably go to warhammer fest in 2024.

well, things have got a bit worse. The north has been rotting since the 2008 crisis. Austerity never ended and then there was Brexit. It's probably mostly like you remember just with even less hope.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
Wagner raising the flag in central bakhmut, no confirmation so take it for what it is.

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1631240328362557441?s=20

gently caress all mercs tbh.

Also the ukranians did a raid into a russian town:-

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1631242282434215938?s=20

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1631241525345546240?s=20

Budzilla
Oct 14, 2007

We can all learn from our past mistakes.

Ardennes posted:

Anyway, an F-111 could still carry 31k lbs of bombs versus 20,700 on a F-35 even utilizing its external racks (which would negate it's stealth). One of the real limitations of most 5th gens in a fighter-bomber role is their actual capacity is pretty slim and they really do need to hit the right targets spot on.
One of the real limitations is the F-111 making the ground crew sick. It's good that the F111 hasn't been in service for almost 13 years, that's in the pitful RAAF

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Ukraine trying to provoke a response that draws NATO in, without realizing Crimea and the Donbas are already part of Russia anyway.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

just amazing chauvinism from the USA telling China it can’t participate in proxy wars

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Hmm apparently Putin is calling the Bryansk thing a terrorist attack, something about the Ukrainians shooting (at?) women and children on their little raid, so the Ukrainians may get the response they wanted to one degree or another.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Budzilla posted:

One of the real limitations is the F-111 making the ground crew sick. It's good that the F111 hasn't been in service for almost 13 years, that's in the pitful RAAF

Yeah, it is just an example of a Vietnam-era multirole. Obviously, accuracy does count, a Jdam is going to be more accurate anything from that era. I don't know how limited payloads would hold up in a hotwar scenario though where you have a good chance of losing fighters.

Frosted Flake posted:

Hmm apparently Putin is calling the Bryansk thing a terrorist attack, something about the Ukrainians shooting (at?) women and children on their little raid, so the Ukrainians may get the response they wanted to one degree or another.

It seems to be aimed as a provocation for further action. That said, the Ukrainians also know it is very much still mud season and that the Russians probably don't want to push at the moment (also I imagine there is a much of mining going on).

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 13:17 on Mar 2, 2023

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
i dunno trying to blow the kerch bridge seemed like a big deal but russia didnt take the bait if it was meant to be one

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Biden went to Kiev and said start your offensives now. this may be it

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Al-Saqr posted:

i dunno trying to blow the kerch bridge seemed like a big deal but russia didnt take the bait if it was meant to be one

I actually think the hope was it would have done permanent damage to the Kerch bridge and cut off Crimea for good since the Russians are too incompetent/primitive to fix anything.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Ardennes posted:

Anyway, an F-111 could still carry 31k lbs of bombs versus 20,700 on a F-35 even utilizing its external racks (which would negate it's stealth). One of the real limitations of most 5th gens in a fighter-bomber role is their actual capacity is pretty slim and they really do need to hit the right targets spot on.

I'm not saying you were claiming this, but to be clear, that's a photo of an F-105 Thunderchief, not an F-111 Aardvark

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Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

January 6 Survivor posted:

just gently caress already

or paint little orc soldiers figurines together idk

Paint little orc figures and then make those gently caress. Or, if you're a deviant, little ethereals and guardsmen.

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