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What actually is the Dean Scream? I've heard Dan talk about it, but I've no idea who or what it's referring to.
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Feb 20, 2023 22:20
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tsob posted:What actually is the Dean Scream? I've heard Dan talk about it, but I've no idea who or what it's referring to. Howard Dean was a Democratic primary contender early in the 2004 run-up who had a couple of genuinely progressive policy goals, so a lot of people were excited at the time. Then he got kind of over the top at a rally, which somehow got spun into him being Conan the Communist coming to eat borscht out of American skulls.
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Feb 20, 2023 22:31
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He made a funny noise as the punctuation mark of an enthusiastic speech, and in an era of soundbites he got eaten the gently caress alive by late night television and the (still growing) 24 hour news networks. It went viral, in a sense. Overnight he was a joke.
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Feb 20, 2023 23:30
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I always heard that he was mic’d for TV but not for the live audience, so his “woooooo!” was probably kind of silly but not out of proportion with the volume of the room, whereas it just came across as this piercing, out of context shriek to those watching on TV.
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Feb 20, 2023 23:35
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tsob posted:What actually is the Dean Scream? I've heard Dan talk about it, but I've no idea who or what it's referring to. Howard Dean was a progressive (by American standards) politician from Vermont who ran an upstart presidential primary campaign and had an actual shot at winning the nomination in 2004. After the Iowa Caucus he gave a speech that ended like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwkNnMrsx7Q It's hard to believe looking back from 2023, but the media made an entire news cycle out of it and torpedoed his campaign. Incidentally, I have heard a recording of the room audio instead of his mic, and his volume increase is completely in line with the crowd noise which pretty much drowned out his yell at the end.
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Feb 20, 2023 23:37
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Dan will probably talk about it, but there's also some  that he was already starting to struggle and the Dean Scream just happened at the same time to kind of give it a clear marker for the beginning of the end. Sort of like Jeb and "please clap" "it connotes excitement" etc. But yeah, if you were American and watched any late night show or political commentary/comedy it got played non-stop and they just ate him alive and then it ended up in parodies for a few years.
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Feb 20, 2023 23:48
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Some more context for the man. He ran the DNC after the scream "served as the 79th governor of Vermont from 1991 to 2003 and chair of the Democratic National Committee from 2005 to 2009. Dean was an unsuccessful candidate for the Democratic nomination in the 2004 primary" Which seems absurd at this point - progressives other than Bernie with any influence in the DNC? Tbf I haven't looked back too deep into how progressive he still seems. He was a pioneer of grassroots fundraising and opposed the Iraq war in a time if intense nationalism... According to Wikipedia
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Feb 20, 2023 23:54
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Glory to Italia!
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Feb 22, 2023 01:43
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gently caress me he's a wizard. So beautiful.
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Feb 22, 2023 02:10
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"Famous marx quote"
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Feb 22, 2023 13:26
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Holy poo poo, that reveal at the end
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Feb 22, 2023 14:57
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I wish I could embed this in the background of the thread
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Feb 22, 2023 14:59
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Shinji2015 posted:Holy poo poo, that reveal at the end I do wonder what Dan's neighbours think whenever it happens. They've surely gotten used to it at this point, right? "Is it Wednesday already? Dan must have shown Jordan some conservatives being hypocritical assholes again".
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Feb 22, 2023 17:00
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Shinji2015 posted:Holy poo poo, that reveal at the end Yeah that really threw me, I literally WTF'd out loud. Alex Jones doesn't recognise the significance of 3:16! I'm a godless Englishman who grew up in a secular house and even I could reel off "For God so loved the world....etc". And Alex can't do that, amazing.
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Feb 22, 2023 22:21
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Deptfordx posted:Yeah that really threw me, I literally WTF'd out loud. Alex Jones doesn't recognise the significance of 3:16! It's loving wild. As you said, it's an extremely well known religious text, and within the context of WWE, Austin 3:16 is one of the most famous lines ever to this day, much less back in 2004 when WWE was still in its cultural zenith. Even if you weren't a WWE fan, you had to be aware of it, and Alex is at this time, what, in his late 20's/early 30's? Man was already incredibly infested with brainworms if he couldn't make either of those connections
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Feb 22, 2023 23:44
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I feel rather strange on this issue. I went to a rather extreme religious school, and I don't recall John 3:16 being bandied about any more or less than other snips of scripture. Or at least it wasn't referred to as "3:16" in this way. I think it was more common to read the words aloud rather than stating the chapter-and-verse and just expecting people to already know. Granted, I also didn't watch wrestling either. The only channel it came in through couldn't be picked up by my TV's antenna.
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Feb 23, 2023 01:06
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Morroque posted:I feel rather strange on this issue. I went to a rather extreme religious school, and I don't recall John 3:16 being bandied about any more or less than other snips of scripture. Or at least it wasn't referred to as "3:16" in this way. I think it was more common to read the words aloud rather than stating the chapter-and-verse and just expecting people to already know. Catholic school? I ask because, in my experience, Catholics tend to namedrop less and quote more.
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Feb 23, 2023 02:49
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tracecomplete posted:Catholic school? I ask because, in my experience, Catholics tend to namedrop less and quote more. There was a group of folks who would get football tickets in the end zone specifically so they could hold up a "John 3:16" sign. You would see it at every field goal and extra point attempt. At least that's what I recall about the NFL in the 80s....
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Feb 23, 2023 04:23
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rich thick and creamy posted:There was a group of folks who would get football tickets in the end zone specifically so they could hold up a "John 3:16" sign. You would see it at every field goal and extra point attempt. About that guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rollen_Stewart
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Feb 23, 2023 08:26
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teen witch posted:About that guy: 
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Feb 23, 2023 09:36
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Well with this crowd it either ends with "My pastor was a cult leader who raped my loved ones, here's how I barely escaped" or they're the ones doing time for cult leader poo poo
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Feb 24, 2023 19:21
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I've watched zero wrestling in my life and knew Austin 3:16, that was amazing. I didn't know John offhand but lol at missing the tl;dr of the entire religion.
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Feb 25, 2023 00:27
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ILL Machina posted:Some more context for the man. He ran the DNC after the scream He's a big anti M4 All and medical.insurance lobbyist now
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Feb 25, 2023 00:28
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Grand Fromage posted:I've watched zero wrestling in my life and knew Austin 3:16, that was amazing. Which of course he claims to be a devout follower of. I would have assumed even as lovely a Christian as Alex is would have picked that up by cultural osmosis alone just growing up when and where he did. I'm genuinally amazed.
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Feb 25, 2023 00:35
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Deptfordx posted:Which of course he claims to be a devout follower of. I would have assumed even as lovely a Christian as Alex is would have picked that up by cultural osmosis alone just growing up when and where he did. I'm genuinally amazed. Indeed. I could not have cared less about sportsball growing up but even I knew John 3:16 was. Could it be that Jones legit drank away large chunks of his long term memory?
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Feb 25, 2023 01:53
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It was a past episode, so maybe Alex was less into the 'pretending to be a devout Christian' thing that became more popular in America and just got worse after 9/11 and especially into the late 2000s.
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Feb 25, 2023 04:29
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Mercury_Storm posted:It was a past episode, so maybe Alex was less into the 'pretending to be a devout Christian' thing that became more popular in America and just got worse after 9/11 and especially into the late 2000s. He definitely talks about being Christian/talking to God in the 2003 episodes, but I get the feeling he wanted to distance himself from Bush's evangelicalism, at least publicly. Nowadays all the chuds are off cosplaying Templars so he has to reflect that
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Feb 26, 2023 19:52
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I grew up in a Bible-related religion and memorizing verses, even important ones, was never something we had to do. Religion (and later "Christian Ethics") classes were much more focused on the messages therein. This is, of course, entirely unrelated to Alex Jones because he definitely doesn't believe (or pretend to believe or whatever) in the sort of religion that would do such reasonable things.
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Feb 27, 2023 01:39
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It hasn't gotten any real talk here, but I think it's probably noteworthy that even the other guy on the phone wasn't actually sure of the verse either; they were both fumbling for it, even though the other guy was the one who thought it meant something and probably at least gives lip service to the bible if he's an Alex Jones listener.
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Feb 27, 2023 13:23
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I'm still listening to older episodes (589) and Alex is really hammering how the Anglo-Saxon culture is why we have democracy or various good things and in the same breath he brings up King Arthur as I guess the foundation of this Anglo-Saxon culture. I appreciate the guys mentioning that King Arthur is almost certainly a character from fiction, but they missed the biggest dunk by omitting that King Arthur's primary enemy was the invading Anglo-Saxons, being a post-Roman Celtic king of myth. So Alex is definitely pro Anglo-Saxon invaders and simultaneously pro King Arthur. The only consistency I see is that he was firmly against William the Conqueror many centuries later. We're still missing his take on the Angevin kings of England, the Tudors, the Stuarts, and the Hanoverians, but I believe he is anti house of Windsor. What I'm saying is that Alex is a royalist, but for the house of Godwin and I'm assuming that he thinks anything after 1066 is illegitimate.
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Mar 1, 2023 00:00
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It because he dumb as poo poo
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Mauser posted:house of Godwin
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Mauser posted:King Arthur's primary enemy was the invading Anglo-Saxons, being a post-Roman Celtic king of myth. You are forgetting about the shadow war that arthur’s knights and the anglo-saxons were all actually fightinng, the real threat, the lizard people, morgana, and lord viper
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rotinaj posted:You are forgetting about the shadow war that arthur’s knights and the anglo-saxons were all actually fightinng, the real threat, the lizard people, morgana, and lord viper I think that’s an Assassin’s Creed game…
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Tree Dude posted:I hope Dan has listened ahead to the Dean Scream episode and all this build is worth it welp... all of you that were rooting for chaos have won this round. e: also how the gently caress is Alex's audio this bad in 2023? This is worse than any podcast I've ever listened to and I've been listening to those since 2005. Tree Dude fucked around with this message at 09:08 on Mar 2, 2023 |
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Tree Dude posted:welp... all of you that were rooting for chaos have won this round. The bankruptcy court sold the good sound mixer and he’s down to a ‘02 Casio keyboard 
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Tree Dude posted:welp... all of you that were rooting for chaos have won this round. If you’re referring to the latest kf ep that came up today he’s doing the show by zoom from what looks like a hotel room between bankruptcy court hearings this week.
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Mar 2, 2023 12:35
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Marsupial Ape posted:I think that’s an Assassin’s Creed game… Nope it's the Conan cartoon series
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Man, the new episode did not pop up in my Overcast feed until this morning. I had hope that there would be a Wednesday episode. I thought there was just not a Wednesday episode. I had so much time yesterday to listen to it… That's not fair. That's not fair at all. There was time then. There was, was all the time I needed... Edit: just started listening and now understand why the show is on today. Still, yesterday, there was time… Bizarro Kanyon fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Mar 2, 2023 |
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