Lib and let die posted:

i don't plan on arguing with discord guys about it

i have c-spam arguments to have, i'm only one shitposter

e: seriously, i learned my lessons about Streamer Opinions after ENB assured the world that Dark Souls 2 was gonna be great, and it turned out to be poo poo.

Oxyclean posted:

Yeah it owns, its making reddit super mad

Oxyclean posted:

its making reddit super mad

Lib and let die posted:

i haven't finished the new campaign yet, but i'm enjoying it.

this could be my cynical/contrarian nature but i refuse to take anything that youtube streamers have to say about the quality of the game as any sort of meaningful bellwether. streamerbrain means their evaluation of a game is always going to be biased by (if not entirely rooted in) "how are these changes going to impact muh channel?"

i'm having fun with the space shooty mans game, even if Nimbus is the cringiest character that's not an SCP self-insert character.

Hamelekim posted:

So apparently it's very difficult and rare to get those exotic decryption keys and I spent my 30th anniversary keys on kind of bad uniques, except that amazing grenade launcher that leaves degen on the ground.

Now it seems like I need to run 21 strikes in the vanguard playlist and maybe do a raid to get another one? You can't even buy those fragments with real money which surprised me. I want that void bow with the poison, but it seems like that is a long way off for me now.

Astrochicken posted:

That's a fair take on streamers but what makes the byf thing so noteworthy is hes that tier of streamer that gets courted by bungie specifically to produce content that gets the community engaged. Hes a cog in the wheel. He has every reason to just suck it up and do his best to lore vid through this one and move on to the seasonal content. It's a bigger deal than people give it credit for even if it's still just dumb streamer drama.

Hamelekim posted:

What is the easiest way to get one of the machine guns I see being sold by vendors. It looks like I need some special vendor engram to buy them.

A Buffer Gay Dude posted:

Oh my god lol the guardian rank thing resets every season



Hahahaha hahahah

Lib and let die posted:

i don't plan on arguing with discord guys about it

i have c-spam arguments to have, i'm only one shitposter

e: seriously, i learned my lessons about Streamer Opinions after ENB assured the world that Dark Souls 2 was gonna be great, and it turned out to be poo poo.

A Buffer Gay Dude posted:

Being contrarian like that for it’s own sake is pretty stupid hth, and you’re going to end up digging in like all the pc discord guys who are now having to ignore or justify some pretty silly stuff (see some of the earlier posts on the page re basic story errors, bugs, etc).

This expansion is straight up disrespectful lol, we all got played hard

A Buffer Gay Dude posted:

Lots of people itt enjoying Bungie firebombing it’s own game because one of the side effects is that streamers and redditors get mad??? And people are accusing me of not actually liking destiny????


We cycled through 69 different numbers to display by guardians and the only one that ever conveyed any arguably useful information at all was season pass ranks. So they spent a bunch of time and effort to collapse it into the same thing but with a number with less range, after hyping it up as something else. Brilliant stuff.

A Buffer Gay Dude posted:

Each vendor has its own engram now. Which vendor?

arsenicCatnip posted:

exotic ciphers? unless they changed things this expansion you just gotta grab the quest from xur and do some playlist activities. There's also one on the season track.

Oxyclean posted:

The point of guardian rank is mostly supposed to be (Im assuming) "this person is probably a good sherpa/knowledgeable" Resetting seasonally is a (maybe) good way to avoid "why is this season pass 300 guy not have any idea how the seasonal activity works? Why are they not countering champions?"

Certain parts of guardian ranks reset, and others do not. (Blue = resets) So each season, you'll need to do a little bit of the activity and hit power cap to get back to 7. I see a "Get 750 commendation score" as one that resets and that one might be a genuinely dumb one to reset each season if the commendation score also resets. While you can't see what later ranks require, I'm betting a whole bunch of stuff might actually be retroactive.

I'm reserving full judgement till I see the later ranks - I assume the intention of resetting is also so you can have stuff like "rank 9 means you've done the latest dungeon" "rank 10 means you've done the latest raid" "Rank 11 means you've done a flawless trials, conqueror, etc, this season" or something like that. You know, keep it relevant.

Reddit is mostly big mad that they're being lumped in with players who have less then 100 hours played, or that their flawless raid clears apparently don't count for anything, and I think it's hilarious because I don't think the system is supposed to be purely an e-peen flex, and capturing the level of granularity that people seem to expect would be next to impossible and would certainly just be replicating the season pass system!

Hamelekim posted:

Vanguard has a machine gun which requires an Vanguard engram along with some other currency.

arsenicCatnip posted:

I totally see what people mean about the headlong boss, this is turbo aids

And they don't even give you a checkpoint? gently caress you

Oxyclean posted:

Reddit is mostly big mad that they're being lumped in with players who have less then 100 hours played, or that their flawless raid clears apparently don't count for anything, and I think it's hilarious because I don't think the system is supposed to be purely an e-peen flex, and capturing the level of granularity that people seem to expect would be next to impossible and would certainly just be replicating the season pass system!

A Buffer Gay Dude posted:

https://youtu.be/-ooPyZ3DXQQ

Hackan Slash posted:

I don't care if the guardian rank number resets as long as the unlocks don't.

The dumb thing to me is we already have season pass ranks, seasonal challenges, triumph score, and seals to show accomplishments/knowledge and this system fits into none of it.

Also as was said the commendation system is weird, everybody is going to be stuck on 6 for a long time because 7 requires 750 points and the system is only active at the end of activities for a short while and you need to press buttons to bring it up. They should have at least made it like overwatch where you can do it until the next activity ends.

A Buffer Gay Dude posted:

These are fair and well through out points.

but it’s a lot of effort to recreate the season pass rank wheel. If it’s resetting every season then what does it accomplish that season pass rank being high and/or wearing the appropriate emblem doesn’t?

Also agreed on the 750 commendation lol, what in the world

victrix posted:

After taking a day to digest the campaign and post-campaign story stuff, I think where I've landed is rescheduling really hosed this story



1) Strand was supposed to be earned in Witch Queen. It makes perfect sense there thematically (and would have had some really cool duality with the Hive gaining the Traveller's Light and us gaining the Witch Queen's Strand):





2) The main CG cutscene makes no loving sense when viewed as bookends to the campaign. It makes plenty of sense if you watch it as a single whole video as the intro to Lightfall and the end of Destiny 1/2/10 year plan/light-darkness saga whatever you want to call it. Starts off with a bang, Witness clowns everyone, succeeds immediately, now it's off to the races to stop whatever the gently caress it is doing. Instead, the shutters on the Helm close, we go have zany adventures in Neomuna, do a Rocky training montage with Osiris, hang out with Nimbus for a good long while while the Witness sits out in space knitting, then poof, shutters open and Witness executes its master plan!

3) Strand makes no loving sense in Neomuna. It's here more than anywhere else that the shift from WQ to LF feels most jarring. poo poo like encountering loving Shadow Cabal with Strand shields like, immediately! And then Osiris yelling that we must acquire Strand, it's the only way we can surprise the Witness and defeat Calus! The gently caress, bro, they already have it for some reason (conversely, if we had acquired it back in WQ, it would have been something unique and hidden by Savathun, which is very appropriate for her entire M.O.)

4) You could maybe possibly make the argument the Veil is supposed to be some vital part or organ of the Traveller that Savathun hid during the collapse to stop the Witness. How or why it was hidden in the solar system and the Witness couldn't find it, who knows. Why the Witness needs it to open the portal to the Traveller's cotton candy dimension, also who knows. The heart of the black garden being a failed clone of the heart feels like some too-pat retconny nonsense to try to tie up a story thread that didn't need to be tied up, but again, who knows. This only sort of makes sense when considering the Parasite mission where the worm straight up tells you Savathun rode shotgun for the Witness during the collapse until it was going to shank the Traveler, then she pulled a real humdinger of a scheme.



5) Really just a bit of meta thinking, but if we got dark blue in Beyond Light and green in Witch Queen and then whatever the next darkness flavor was in this campaign (orange resonance?), we'd wrap up the story having Learned The Darkness Alongside Our Light, and we'd wage the big final battle with The Friends We Made Along The Way.

6) More meta thinking - how do you go from the Witch Queen to this incredibly messy Lightfall campaign? You have a narrative team forced to re-write what was supposed to be the last campaign now split into two campaigns and stuff a power acquisition story into a place it wasn't supposed to be. You can't do any big reveals, because those are already all earmarked for The Final Shape, so you somehow cram a campaign in between the shutters on the helm closing and opening.


Anyway, idle random baseless speculation and rambling. Destiny story is nonsense at the best of times, but Lightfall, especially after Witch Queen, misses the mark on so many obvious storytelling rules.

I think what's most annoying is that you can't have your Empire Strikes Back or your Infinity War without clear stakes and clear consequences, and they could have pulled that off here. Instead we got Osiris whining about Strand, sucking up so much oxygen in the story they did tell, and no clear explanation of what the Witness was doing, or why we should care. Frustrating.

Oxyclean posted:

" I'd hope it's going to be something good for LFG down the road, when you see a rank 11 dude hosting a sherpa raid, you're like "oh, okay, they definitely know what they're doing."

THE BIG DOG DADDY posted:

It's really smart to start the rank at 6, a natural starting number

Panderfringe posted:

I don't know. This is garbage even with an emergency rewrite. Like it took me 30 seconds to come up with a more coherent plot, keeping the same story beats (modifying one or two). It takes extraordinary incompetence to come up with this.

Radical 90s Wizard posted:

Can't believe noone's mentioned Calus' stupid new bucket hat

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THE BIG DOG DADDY posted:

It's really smart to start the rank at 6, a natural starting number