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Chernobyl only seems anti Soviet if you think the us would respond better to a nuclear disaster but that's purely an assumption some viewers have. It's not actually something in the show at all.
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Expecting the story of Chernobyl *not* to be anti-soviet is interesting
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Came across this blunder in The Last Of Us this week: Epic anachronistic gently caress up. Let's see if you can guess what's wrong here. Punkin Spunkin posted:I dug The Terror but I heard Chernobyl was very cornily anti-soviet. I see we got some tankies in the house.
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Mar 2, 2023 18:38
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A MIRACLE posted:yeah, they try really hard to elevate the "regular russian people" but make all the party officials look like idiots So the way it was and should be? You do understand the "regular people" are the proletariat who are suppose to run the dictatorship right?
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Mar 2, 2023 18:42
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Nightmare Cinema posted:Came across this blunder in The Last Of Us this week: Did that style of desk lamp not exist in 2003? The phone buttons are lit up but there is no reason they couldn't have local phone service running.
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Mar 2, 2023 18:52
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withak posted:Did that style of desk lamp not exist in 2003? The phone buttons are lit up but there is no reason they couldn't have local phone service running. Look at the photo on the desk. NJ goons will pick it up. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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The Puppy Bowl posted:They do, but I didn't take it as anti-soviet. More an accurate reflection of decision-making in the halls of power. The trouble with the show is not that it's "anti Soviet" but that it inexplicably exaggerates the effects of radiation (e.g. melting a helicopter, killing a baby, etc.), while having the scientist characters appear as clear-eyed prophets of the end-of-history warning these primitive dummies of the impossible threat. As if dedication to Science allows them to view the events from outside of ideology, like they themselves are not part of the Soviet Union. The deliberate scientific inaccuracies in the pro-science show - because you can't just accidentally claim a helicopter was melted - betray the series' true priorities.
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Mar 2, 2023 19:30
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"NJ residents are clamoring over this one photo. Can you guess why??"
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watched old and had some lols. then i watched malignant and appreciated how, at the end, the lady basically becomes Naruto.
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Nightmare Cinema posted:Came across this blunder in The Last Of Us this week: For those wondering, the picture on the desk was taken at Six Flags Great Adventure, but the two coasters featured didn't exist at that time.
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withak posted:IDGI NJ didn’t get Asian people until 2004, well after the apocalypse in the show had already happened
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Tiny Timbs posted:NJ didn’t get Asian people until 2004, well after the apocalypse in the show had already happened Jeez what a boner.
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If you all can tell what's in that picture then maybe I need to see my eye doc again. I see two people, a railing, and a mechanical eagle taking flight in the lower left? There are 4 nuclear silos in the background.
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Mar 2, 2023 23:26
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MAJOR anachronism in The last of Us this week, New Jersey goons will spot it immediately
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Jolo posted:If you all can tell what's in that picture then maybe I need to see my eye doc again. It's clearly an Avaya VOIP phone model from 2012.
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Magic Hate Ball posted:For those wondering, the picture on the desk was taken at Six Flags Great Adventure, but the two coasters featured didn't exist at that time. Lol what? It’s a blurry rear end picture of two women.
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You can see it better in another shot (irl picture for comparion):
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If that bothered you you should not be allowed to watch any media.
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The only thing that bothered me was trying to figure out what anachronism they were talking about.
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I feel you. I felt the same lol
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I thought it was a joke. Goddamn.
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Well it's good they probated Nightmare Cinema for that post so they couldn't explain it because that would have made it much more boring.
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It is kind of strange that they moved the date of the outbreak in The Last of Us to 2003 so that the show would take place in 2023, thus necessitating careful anachronism checking, when iirc the original game had the outbreak in 2013 and the game takes place in the future. Did they just not want to bother with any questions about how the earth would look different in 2043 what with climate change and all that? Did they not want any characters going "wow this fungal outbreak reminds me of covid?" I feel like all of these could be easily written around/ignored.
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2003 or about was the original SARs scare I remember
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Punkin Spunkin posted:I dug The Terror but I heard Chernobyl was very cornily anti-soviet. quote:The trouble with the show is not that it's "anti Soviet" but that it inexplicably exaggerates the effects of radiation (e.g. melting a helicopter, killing a baby, etc.), while having the scientist characters appear as clear-eyed prophets of the end-of-history warning these primitive dummies of the impossible threat. As if dedication to Science allows them to view the events from outside of ideology, like they themselves are not part of the Soviet Union. It is absolutely anti-Soviet in that it portrays the 80's USSR as nearly Stalinist and Ignorant of Science when it needs to create dramatic tension. SMG is right in that it portrays scientists as ideological only to science, the great inviolable truth, as if they existed outside Soviet bureaucracy and didn't know how it worked.
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Thank you, that was what I was interested in. Obviously I expect a series about Chernobyl to criticize USSR policy on some level but I heard it was very shoddy and cartoonish going about it. lol at that guy throwing out "tankie", truly a well adjusted genius and history understander
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It was hardly cartoonish, bureaucracy and men afraid of losing power is featured through out but the real bad guy, like in the real event, was systemic. I thought Chernobyl did a deft job with it.
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Magic Hate Ball posted:For those wondering, the picture on the desk was taken at Six Flags Great Adventure, but the two coasters featured didn't exist at that time. ｃｏｒｒｅｃｔ ｗｏｒｌｄ ｅｎｄｅｄ ｉｎ ２００３． ｋｉｎｇｄａ ｋａ [２００５] ａｎｄ ｅｌ ｔｏｒｏ [２００８] ｗｅｒｅｎ＇ｔ ｂｕｉｌｔ ｙｅｔ 代らー鉛 ヵ ボラ パニダ椅ラめペ
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people could still build roller coasters after the world ended. debunked
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mystes posted:Well it's good they probated Nightmare Cinema for that post so they couldn't explain it because that would have made it much more boring. I thought the probe was for admitting to being from NJ
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ruddiger posted:I thought the probe was for admitting to being from NJ
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Imagine if they made Chernobyl into an American Horror Story style anthology show and did a second season about Fukushima with the same cast
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Gotta do Three Mile Island, then Fukushima, then maybe start thinking about fun stuff like the Tybee incident or the 1980 Damascus Titan missile explosion. Basically a Command and Control fx series.
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Name Change posted:It is absolutely anti-Soviet in that it portrays the 80's USSR as nearly Stalinist and Ignorant of Science when it needs to create dramatic tension. SMG is right in that it portrays scientists as ideological only to science, the great inviolable truth, as if they existed outside Soviet bureaucracy and didn't know how it worked. It was not at all some universal Soviet ignorance of science. There were some bureaucrats who didn't listen to the scientists at first and then either they got pushed out by smarter people or they started listening to them. Even the portrayal of Gorbachev seemed relatively sympathetic, he took the threat to his populace seriously almost immediately. I don't know how you tell that story without having some bureaucrats at some level of command who don't want to acknowledge grim reality.
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Punkin Spunkin posted:I dug The Terror but I heard Chernobyl was very cornily anti-soviet. It's about as balanced a take as you can possibly get on an American TV network but yes.
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Papercut posted:It was not at all some universal Soviet ignorance of science. There were some bureaucrats who didn't listen to the scientists at first and then either they got pushed out by smarter people or they started listening to them. Even the portrayal of Gorbachev seemed relatively sympathetic, he took the threat to his populace seriously almost immediately. I don't know how you tell that story without having some bureaucrats at some level of command who don't want to acknowledge grim reality. What I've heard - from people who had been involved in Soviet bureaucracy themselves - was that the biggest mistake the show made was having bureaucrats threaten the scientists, or warn them about what would happen if they didn't get in line. You didn't have to make threats or explain it, everyone knew what would happen if you embarrassed the wrong person and everyone had to be very delicate in how they broached issues about things going very wrong.
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Papercut posted:It was not at all some universal Soviet ignorance of science. There were some bureaucrats who didn't listen to the scientists at first and then either they got pushed out by smarter people or they started listening to them. Even the portrayal of Gorbachev seemed relatively sympathetic, he took the threat to his populace seriously almost immediately. I don't know how you tell that story without having some bureaucrats at some level of command who don't want to acknowledge grim reality. yeah genuinely I feel like these takes are coming from another universe. have you all never had to deal with middle management??? felt very accurate!!!
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Famethrowa posted:yeah genuinely I feel like these takes are coming from another universe. have you all never had to deal with middle management??? felt very accurate!!! There are a lot of things in the show that ‘feel’ accurate, but are nonetheless extremely inaccurate. And I’m not some stickler for historical accuracy, but the ‘artistic licence’ in not his case was used to have the government baddies constantly threaten to shoot innocent truth-telling people in the head while ‘ALL OF EUROPE IS ABOUT TO BE DESTROYED IN A SINGLE CATASTROPHIC EXPLOSION’ and it’s all presents as a product of man’s (abstracted, depoliticized) senseless violence against man. Like, they have a grumpy old woman equate the disaster at Chernobyl with the October Revolution. Because it’s all just people dying, right?
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Aglet56 posted:It is kind of strange that they moved the date of the outbreak in The Last of Us to 2003 so that the show would take place in 2023, thus necessitating careful anachronism checking, when iirc the original game had the outbreak in 2013 and the game takes place in the future. Did they just not want to bother with any questions about how the earth would look different in 2043 what with climate change and all that? Did they not want any characters going "wow this fungal outbreak reminds me of covid?" I feel like all of these could be easily written around/ignored. It's pretty straightforward and the show runner explained his approach. He wanted to present it as an alternative timeline to today, wasn't interested in doing a show set years in the future because he's less invested in those kinds of stories, and just liked aspects of early 00s aesthetic. SunshineDanceParty fucked around with this message at 12:54 on Mar 3, 2023 |
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