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I still honestly don't understand any of the voting systems I've encountered other the FPTP so you might as well just replace the voting process with magic for all that I would understand the process involved in selecting the winner.
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The point is largely that it's the political parties who pick the winners and people mostly only get a say in how many they are allowed to pick (a lot of systems allow voters to downrank candidates but most voters don't bother except in egregious cases). e: In practice it's not too different from getting a nomination under FPTP though, except in contested seats where personal charisma matters somewhat. Independents can still run and usually with more ease as getting a few percent of national support is generally easier than getting a plurality in a single seat. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 10:46 on Mar 3, 2023 |
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WE NEED A WORLD WHERE YOU CAN EAT AS MUCH ICE CREAM AS YOU LIKE AND NOT PUT ON WEIGHT. NOT THE ALTERNATIVE VOTE.
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Mar 3, 2023 10:41
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We could have had alternative votes every week if we brexited properly
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Sir Sidney Poitier posted:WE NEED A WORLD WHERE YOU CAN EAT AS MUCH ICE CREAM AS YOU LIKE AND NOT PUT ON WEIGHT. NOT THE ALTERNATIVE VOTE. ALTERNATIVE VOTE? NO! ALTERNATIVE VEST!
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Mar 3, 2023 10:44
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Quaint times when £250m was a large amount to spaff on vanity projects. I hope they got rid of whatever voting system produced governments that start wars and send people off to them with inadequate equipment 
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Mar 3, 2023 10:45
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Jel Shaker posted:People really shouldn’t be that worked up about who they vote for, the MPs/councillors themselves clearly don’t give a poo poo and are happy to swap parties even after they won an election on a party platform I love that politicians are allowed to switch parties after getting elected based on the absolute fiction that people vote for a person not a party.
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Mar 3, 2023 10:47
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From the Wikipedia page, NoToAV had some interesting bedfellows. quote:Conservative Party[3] Another important point was that the 'yes' campaign was very much spearheaded by the LDs, and the vote was 2011, a year into the coalition that nobody wanted or voted for. People didn't trust anything the LDs did, said or promoted after that.
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Down that path does lie the question of why MPs vote for anything though, as if people vote for parties then the largest party should simply rule by diktat. Would you have to enforce a minimum quota of how much MPs have to vote with their party or it triggers a byelection? Or give party leadership the ability to trigger them if an MP is suspended from the party? Absent a fundamental restructuring of how representative democracy works (such as getting rid of it) I can't honestly think of a system which would forbid MPs from telling their party to eat poo poo, without also basically handing massive amounts of power to the party leadership. MPs being able to tell their party to gently caress off is sort of the entire reason we have them, instead of just polling the entire country and giving total control to whichever cabinet gets the most votes. That parties are willing to accept MPs crossing the floor (and then install them as candidates in the next election regardless of what their members want) is more an indictment of the parties than how the system works. There's nothing that says labour have to accept tories, they do it because they want to. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 11:03 on Mar 3, 2023 |
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Sir Sidney Poitier posted:I was pretty young when the alternative vote referendum happened, but I'm still pretty confused as to why so many were against it. it's a significant improvement over fptp but not what electoral reform proponents (including the lib dems) really wanted, which would be some sort of proportional representation system (which would be better than av too). the tories of course opposed it and labor didn't take a position (though more mps backed no), which meant that you had a situation where the only party backing a yes vote were the lib dems, and even they were doing so without that much enthusiasm. electoral systems are also nerd stuff that most of the public doesn't understand or care about and the lib dems had also just alienated a large portion of their voters by going into coalition with the tories and reneging on most of their election promises without much to show for it, so they weren't at all in a good position to make the case for change, especially when it wasn't even the change that they wanted. no campaign also told sensational lies constantly as you would expect.
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Times is reporting this morning that the energy price guarantee will continue from 1st April for another 3 months. I don't see it reported anywhere else (other than references back to this Times article). https://archive.is/qM0Hf UK energy price guarantee ‘to remain for another three months’ Bills limit was due to rise to £3,000 a year from April but Jeremy Hunt set to keep it at £2,500
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Guavanaut posted:I'm 99% sure that Barry in Four Lions is supposed to be a parody of David Wulstan Myatt. Is he the BNP guy who accidentally converted himself to Islam through extensive study of the Koran in order to better troll Muslims? Pretty sure Morris cited him as a direct inspiration for Barry.
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He's been in nearly every Nazi group from the BNP to Combat 18 to NSM, alleged occult weirdo, and converted to Islam mostly to praise bin Laden and advocate bombing people and killing Jews to something something capitalist consumer West something degeneracy. Also a good example of why not to bother debating Nazis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_qJSEkgUtM
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Times is reporting this morning that the energy price guarantee will continue from 1st April for another 3 months. Amazing! So my energy bills will stay extortionate as opposed to mega extortionate!
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Looks like there have been a few, Stephen Jones is another who went fash->jihad and then got done for trying to radicalize other inmates in prison, and Muhammed Islam is one who appears to at least be somewhat sincere (but probably still fashy). Myatt is just the most infamous because he wrote so much poo poo and tried to position himself as some sort of public intellectual of regressive counterrevolution and antisemitism.
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Cops eh? Although this BBC headline does its best to obfuscate the fact he’s a cop kiddy fiddler https://twitter.com/bbcnews/status/1630120557743071234?s=46&t=m_nNbkNoHG4lLitcpyHReg
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smellmycheese posted:Cops eh? Although this BBC headline does its best to obfuscate the fact he’s a cop kiddy fiddler How is it doing that?
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NotJustANumber99 posted:How is it doing that? I didn’t immediately read “inspector” as cop. He could have been inspecting bus tickets, or building regulations, or childrens buttocks
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I at first assumed he was a filth, but then considered that he might have been the guy who ensures that the paedos are up to scratch. Also I could clarify when I said was young for the AV referendum - I mean old enough to vote in it but young enough that said vote not as well informed as it would have been now. I voted for AV. I was also one of the cunts who was taken in by Clegg and then disgusted with him.
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Sir Sidney Poitier posted:I at first assumed he was a filth, but then considered that he might have been the guy who ensures that the paedos are up to scratch. About the most positive thing I can say about Starmer is that he is a less likable Nick Clegg.
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I expected much more of Clegg than I do of Starmer. The naivety of youth.
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Clegg at least apologies for his outrageous lies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUDjRZ30SNo
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Sir Sidney Poitier posted:I expected much more of Clegg than I do of Starmer. The naivety of youth. Did you Say Goodbye To Broken Promises though. e: For all his faults Kieth is at least open about his poo poo policies. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 13:02 on Mar 3, 2023 |
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Private Speech posted:Did you Say Goodbye To Broken Promises though. He's basically done a Clegg before he was elected. A pre-Clegg if you will.
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Private Speech posted:Did you Say Goodbye To Broken Promises though. I feel queasy when I see his stupid face now. It's what the face of no respect looks like. Of COURSE he went to loving FACEBOOK.
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Zalakwe posted:He's basically done a Clegg before he was elected. A pre-Clegg if you will.
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God, I remember those billboards, they infuriated me at the time lol: "He needs an incubator, not an alternative voting system!" They worked too, which was even more annoying.
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Pistol_Pete posted:God, I remember those billboards, they infuriated me at the time lol: "He needs an incubator, not an alternative voting system!" But the most annoying thing is they never got that incubator anyway
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Gonzo McFee posted:I'm Scottish so ill probably just vote SNP or Scottish Green greens are kinda shite with how they are pressuring scotgov to go green and close off north sea oil and all that other shite with bike lanes when our roads are filled with potholes
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Payndz posted:I realised the one good thing about living in an extremely safe Tory seat is that I feel no need whatsoever to hold my nose and vote for whichever Tony Blair Institute-approved ghoul Starmer parachutes in to run here (or LD Orange Booker, for that matter). I feel the same here - all the sensible centrists who couldn't bring themselves to vote for Corbyn and opened the door for Boris are now demanding we vote for their guy, and will get blamed for the tories getting in if we don't. It's poo poo. It's a poo poo choice, but it is a choice, and just because you have options, doesn't mean it's really a choice. I hate it. It's so hosed. Microplastics posted:But the most annoying thing is they never got that incubator anyway
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Getting even 12% of people to switch to cycling would do wonders for reducing road maintenance, whereas if you fix the potholes but do nothing about the over-dependence on individual car use then you just get more potholes again. At least until the biosphere collapse, I imagine you could use some of the larger ones for the bodies then.
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Potholes round here are mostly caused by trucks and tractors on roads not designed to support them, insufficient weather and water run off design, half arsed repair work and cyclists doing skids.
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I assume that like the £350 million a week to the NHS, he did not, in fact, get a bullet proof vest.
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i recall the kit we give our soldiers is so poo poo they buy their own vests too
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Sir Sidney Poitier posted:I was also one of the cunts who was taken in by Clegg and then disgusted with him. In good company on here
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Don't get me wrong, I'm all for going green but it's a bunch of costly initiatives at once, such as the Dundee eBikes which went bust recently, deposit return scheme, banning none electrics by 2030, etc. It just makes everyone mad about Scotgov and will cause em to vote for other parties instead. Much like APB by Realtime Worlds, some things are just too ahead of the times
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A reality TV nobody was just sentenced to 21 months in prison for uploading cctv footage of him having sex with someone to Onlyfans. Just look at the prick as he arrived for sentencing: https://twitter.com/charlie_crispy/status/1631651552414023685
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Kill All Cops posted:Don't get me wrong, I'm all for going green but it's a bunch of costly initiatives at once, such as the Dundee eBikes which went bust recently, deposit return scheme, banning none electrics by 2030, etc. It just makes everyone mad about Scotgov and will cause em to vote for other parties instead. Much like APB by Realtime Worlds, some things are just too ahead of the times The Glasgow bike scheme has been pretty successful, deposit return should have been done years ago (and the UK Gov will probably announce their own scheme soon) and oil needs to stay underground because of the coming eternal summer.
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Sure would be nice to live in a good country where they would explain the benefits and drawbacks of voting types to people, instead of using their ignorance against them for personal benefit.
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