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Flytrap posted:This has been my general read too. We're caught in the middle of a war between two titanic beings who don't much care what it's going to cost them to stay in control. Bit confusing because two “shatterings” occur. The ring was literally shattered, then everyone realized they couldn’t find Marika, then Godwyn & co. got killed. And this kicked off an open civil war which is also called “the Shattering” where the surviving demigods contested the great runes.
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skasion posted:Bit confusing because two “shatterings” occur. The ring was literally shattered, then everyone realized they couldn’t find Marika, then Godwyn & co. got killed. And this kicked off an open civil war which is also called “the Shattering” where the surviving demigods contested the great runes. No Godwyn was killed first, Marika's grief is the in universe "explanation" for why she shattered the ring. The timeline is Night of the Black Knives, Marika goes missing out of "grief", she shatters the ring and calls her children to action, the civil war called the shattering begins because she basically ordered her kids to fight over who gets to rule. I actually think the reason she plotted Godwyn's death, if she plotted it (and signs point to she kind of at least had enough of a hand that she helped Ranni make the required dagger), is that with Godwyn alive the civil war doesn't happen and her plot with the Tarnished/getting rid of the Elden Beast doesn't play out the way she wants. He's beloved by all his siblings, he's Godwyn the Golden, the natural and ideal choice for the next ruler of Leyndell. The firstborn (maybe, the Omens twins might have been before him, but I feel like Godwyn is definitely presented as an equivalent to the Nameless King for a reason), of the Golden Lineage. If Marika shatters the Elden Ring and orders her kids to all fight whilst Godwyn is alive, they might have rallied around Godwyn instead (at least the Empyrean Twins might have supported him, at least until the Haligtree was finished, Radahn might not have Sieged the capitol if it was being commanded by Godwyn instead of Morgott, Rykard probably always was gonna be a problem but yeah). Lord_Magmar fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Mar 4, 2023 |
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Lord_Magmar posted:Edit: It's not that she planned everything in the entire game, but the Shattering was something she thought up to unshackle herself from the Greater Will but remain the God Queen of the Lands Between. I think. The fact it went the way it did is because a bunch of other people also had plans going on. She's literally crucified when the game begins, which isn't a super-unexpected punishment for shattering the Elden Ring. She might not have intended for that to happen or wanted the new Elden Lord (or maybe Godfrey) to free her, but as it stands if this was a power grab it really didn't go that well.
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Sum Gai posted:She's literally crucified when the game begins, which isn't a super-unexpected punishment for shattering the Elden Ring. She might not have intended for that to happen or wanted the new Elden Lord (or maybe Godfrey) to free her, but as it stands if this was a power grab it really didn't go that well. Well it works in every ending except Ranni and the Frenzied Flame, although obviously yeah, she got very hosed up until then.
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2house2fly posted:I vibe out the lore almost entirely, along with taking what sounds cool from lore videos and discarding what doesn't. The Two Fingers are low-res copies of Placidusax. The coming of the Elden Beast destroyed the Greattree, and the the war for dominance among shoots trying to grow from its stump is the period of history referred to as "the crucible". The Outer Gods are pieces of the original Elden Ring which were torn out by the Elden Beast because it didn't like nasty things like blood, rot, madness and death, and didn't care that their removal would mess up the natural order. All these and more are not necessarily supported by the text, but I think they sound tight 
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People who are having trouble seeing the Erdtree might want to check if they're playing in Offline Mode
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Rumours going around that Armored Core is set for late September with SotE sometime after that.
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Predictions: the DLC's gonna introduce alternative mounts that can be ridden instead of Torrent. Radahn's pony will be one of them. You will also be able to get the Mariner canoe as a (really slow and clumsy, yet perversely hugely popular) mount. It does not allow you to traverse water. You acquire it right next to fatally deep water; the shore is festooned with "don't you dare" and "betrayal ahead" and "death, O death" messages
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Mar 4, 2023 16:37
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As long as we get the mariner horn as a weapon
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elden beast: rekt guess i'll mess around in haligtree now
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I just spent like 3 hours farming snakemen for the Magma Blade. It wasn't worth it.
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Is it me or does the game have a amputation motif? I mean Millicent, Commander Niall, the Fire Giant in phase 2, same for Godrick, Melenia (or so I'm told).
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FreudianSlippers posted:Is it me or does the game have a amputation motif? This doesn't even touch on all albinaurics losing their legs eventually.
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Mar 4, 2023 21:58
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All you need to wear a ring is a Finger.
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Radagon Wolf wasn't too hard, so I'm probably overlevelled.Did some exploring around the rooftops after that and now I'm over by the Church getting face-owned by some flame-spitting machine(?) with a nasty cattle catcher on the front. Love this game so much.
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War Wizard posted:This doesn't even touch on all albinaurics losing their legs eventually. I haven't played any other Souls games aside from this and Bloodborne. Is amputation a thing in the others like poison swamps, post-apocalyptic fantasy worlds, and trying to cheat death being bad?
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I’m anxiously anticipating Tarnished Archeologist’s video on the fingers because what the hell are they (besides the only and most banal metaphor that comes to mind, “the hand of God”)
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FreudianSlippers posted:I haven't played any other Souls games aside from this and Bloodborne. Sekiro has plot relevant amputation In DS1/2 you can sometimes cut bits off the bosses. Mostly just for fun
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Mar 4, 2023 22:31
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Fingers are actually an evil dead reference, remember when his hand got possessed? Its like that.
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I like to think that the fingers are never actually saying anything and the finger maidens are just insane/full of poo poo.
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My favorite thing is how Enia does a goofy voice when speaking for the fingers.
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the devs are cowards for not modeling their goofy rear end legs
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skasion posted:Sekiro has plot relevant amputation I'm an amputee IRL and I played this game for like 80 hours before realising amputation was a reoccurring thing.
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FreudianSlippers posted:I haven't played any other Souls games aside from this and Bloodborne. There's a bit of a history with characters having some kind of disability or similar situation, but not amputation specifically. The level up waifus in DeS and DS3 are blind and the closest equivalents in DS1 all have their own issues. The Emerald Maiden from DS2 only has heterochromia, but there is also straight up a Giant that rips off a limb when the fight starts to go south. Tbh, I was disappointed to find out that grafting is solely Godrick's gimmick. Given the repeated amputation stuff I thought it would've had more importance to the game and not just turn out to be one minor tree motif amongst half a dozen other tree motifs.
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It kinda makes sense that it's just him and the Scions, though, as it is hammered pretty heavily that most of the rest of the world finds the act reprehensible, pathetic, and shameful.
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Well yeah, but the game didn't have to take that route. Back when all I had to go on was 1.5 trailers, I thought Godrick was a religious fanatic trying to make himself more like the Erdtree by giving himself more and more branches.
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The part I don't get about grafting is Godrick is universally regarded as a weak rear end bitch and yet apparently a whole bunch of tarnished were like "welp time to go get grafted"
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Benagain posted:The part I don't get about grafting is Godrick is universally regarded as a weak rear end bitch and yet apparently a whole bunch of tarnished were like "welp time to go get grafted" I bet that's why magrit shows up there to begin with: he was tired of seeing Godrick grafting all the dumb tarnished.
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Mustached Demon posted:I bet that's why magrit shows up there to begin with: he was tired of seeing Godrick grafting all the dumb tarnished. "Lowly Tarnished, go feed Rennala some kills instead. This is getting ridiculous"
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Hah, Margit filtering tarnished away from Godrick so he'll stop getting more body parts is an angle I hadn't considered. Morgott doesn't want any new contenders arising when it was such a hassle to defend Lyndell the first time.Benagain posted:The part I don't get about grafting is Godrick is universally regarded as a weak rear end bitch and yet apparently a whole bunch of tarnished were like "welp time to go get grafted" Godrick is universally regarded as a weak rear end bitch by the rest of a powerful pantheon of demigods. To pitiful Tarnished that have lost the ability to see the grace I think they're so hopeless that they offer to serve him thinking they'll get a better deal than what grafting actually leads to, or that even being a Scion is better than being a useless hollowed being. Roderika seems to present it as a necessary evil that she has to build up the courage to do rather than the pitiless butchering we discover. Godrick also sponsors the exile knights, so it seems he's a viable contender for power in the Lands Between, just the lowest on the totem pole at the moment, assuming he could somehow make himself a Radahn sized hulk given enough time and bodies. Presumably Godrick was also a weak rear end bitch before he got into grafting. His current form might rate a bit better if we ignore the logic of "he's the second big boss so he can't be too hard." Kinda like how Morgott rules but gets vit checked a lot. Also I know the sword marker is letting us know how bad Godrick got owned but I think dude deserves some vague respect for challenging Malenia and surviving at all. His begging was pitiful though. Still one of my favorite lore characters to think about in this game. That infectious drat laugh when you fight him..
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God i dont ask for much please let this be the last run to Maliketh e: god u bitch
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GloomMouse posted:As long as we get the mariner horn as a weapon Strongly agreed. We need a fourth doot - a dark doot - so that we can be Those Who Doot in Death. I would also like the alarm horn used by sentries and the fancy horn carried by those banner nobles to be rare drops, so that I can collect, upgrade, and wield all six doots. I wish to be Lord of the Doots
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Lord_Magmar posted:My personal take on Marika is that she wants to rule, but she doesn't want to rule in someone else's name. That's why she ultimately turns against the Golden Order/Greater Will/Elden Beast.
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verbal enema posted:i would also like the infantry horns thatd be very cool It doesn't have a special holy doot attack or split damage or anything. The default ash of war doesn't even do anything, it just goes doooot. Beating people to a pulp with a completely ordinary trumpet However, if you put a shout/roar ash of war on the horn, it uses the horn's doot animation, sped up or slowed down to match the length of the skill's original animation. Annihilate your enemies with smooth jazz
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Irony Be My Shield posted:If the plan was always to rule alongside Godfrey why did she send him away and marry Radagon? I think that was the end goal of her Tarnished plan: get Godfrey good and stronger out waging war elsewhere, come back to slay the Elden Beast, and get back with her newly crowned main squeeze.
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Godfrey and Rennala should get together.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:If the plan was always to rule alongside Godfrey why did she send him away and marry Radagon? Perhaps Godfrey still held faith with his Crucible Knights, who loyally served him for many years and through many wars, but Marika had decided it was time to go Golden Order Mode and erase all vestiges of respect and sacred aura from anything of the Crucible age. Irreconcilable differences.
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I don't think people are willingly offering themselves to be grafted; Roderika is just speaking figuratively while somewhat delirious.
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Do we think that Radagon's appearance was willful by Marika? Like did she will her male alter ego into being? Or did the Greater Will clone her into a subservient version?
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