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Wonderllama posted:Too bad Lexus cars are boring as hell. Agreed. Boring is best for retirement and investment accounts. Cars aren't an investment. Life is short. Go wild. Throatwarbler posted:He's talking about American cars. A Buick Century or Oldsmobile Cutlass of the early 90s would have had a 2.5l I4 with about 80hp, a ~3l 60* OHV V6 putting out about 110-130hp, and maybe the 3.8l 90* OHV V6 with about 150hp if you were really fancy, and those were relatively upscale midsize cars a big step up from something like a Cavalier. Yeah, I was speaking domestic for domestic. Not cherry-picking Honda which punched far above their weight even in the 80s with an A series carburetored engine putting out 100hp. Same engine with efi was around 120 whole Horsepower, in 1988! The og accord made 125hp at 2800hp. the new one is like 3500hp with 195/250hp. Not much of a difference and it waters down the whole argument. However the motherfuckin pushrod Chrysler v6 engine that debuted in 1989 lived on till 2011 farting out 150-200hp all over the sheets. They stuffed that antique into four-door jeeps which couldn't even maintain 70mph at altitude in OD as a completely stock as configured from the factory vehicle. Meanwhile pulling down less than 10mpg. The 285 hp Pentastar will pull down nearly 20mpg in the same conditions. Which. When an engine makes a grip of power so that isn't working its absolute taint off, no wonder it gets better fuel economy.
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I smashed up my parent's Mercury Topaz. 1990, 2.3l 4 cyl. I think they were about 88 hp?
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cursedshitbox posted:Agreed. Boring is best for retirement and investment accounts. Cars aren't an investment. Life is short. Go wild. The Ford CVH is my personal frustration, when I moved from an Escort to an Acura RSX-S that made twice the power out of the same displacement and fuel economy, that was it for me and domestics. Yeah sure it was a 25 year old engine at that point compared to the brand new K20A2 but Ford was still using it in new cars.
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My first car was an ‘85 Mitsubishi Montero that had an anemic 3speed automatic with 105hp 2.6L 4cylinder. It’s 0-60 time was a full second more then my current cars 1/4 mile time.
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Mar 4, 2023 22:50
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Is even the least reliable luxury car really that bad in 2023? Like if I buy a brand new Range Rover am I gonna be back at the dealer every 3 months? I’ve only ever bought economy cars so I can’t tell how real the memes are.
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wesleywillis posted:I smashed up my parent's Mercury Topaz. 99 hp/125 lbft tq My first car was a 1989 Topaz. e: I might've had the HSO 2.3 in mine. Full Collapse fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Mar 4, 2023 |
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cursedshitbox posted:In the 1990s your average 4cyl shitbox had 80hp, 6 with 150, and 8 with 200. Our 1993 320CE makes ~220ish hp from an I6. Slap a turbo on it, and it’d probably make around the same as the Mazda I6 in 2023. The Benz also gets 21 mpg, which is only mildly worse than the CX90. So no, 340 horse at 25 mpg from an I6 30 years later is nothing to write home about.
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chupacabraTERROR posted:Is even the least reliable luxury car really that bad in 2023? Like if I buy a brand new Range Rover am I gonna be back at the dealer every 3 months? I’ve only ever bought economy cars so I can’t tell how real the memes are. 2021 audi a6 allroad, supposedly decent reliability. Been to dealership every 3 months after the first 6. I will be going again end of March and they say it’ll probably be in the shop for 4 days. they offer courtesy vehicles so there’s at least that
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The biggest problem with a 220Kw I6 from Mazda is the fact it's in a huge road turd. Put it in a lighter smaller sedan cowards
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Twerk from Home posted:Would you rather drive a 1990 Corolla and live with its 74hp, or take the Chevy Cavalier and get a little more power in exchange for dealing with a Cavalier? The only Cavalier I ever experienced was a ~99ish JDM Toyota version. Rode in it to the beach on a hot day, the AC was broken, the windows were broken, the only airflow was from the sunroof, which did work, but meant the sun was beating down on us mercilessly. The last stretch to this particular beach was down a rough gravel forestry road, where several times it felt like it was going to float off into the scenery. And it kept missing thanks to sketchy coils. Yes, I would take the 1990 Corolla in a heartbeat, confident in its ability to complete any journey, be it down to the shops, out to the beach, or indeed, cross a continent.
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You'd take the Corolla if you absolutely needed something that was steadfastly reliable and only needed a few pennies tossed at it for maintenance. You'd take the Cavalier if you couldn't afford a Corolla. I'd take the third option and drive a late-70s Caprice Classic. B-Bodies for Life™. cursedshitbox posted:Agreed. Boring is best for retirement and investment accounts. Cars aren't an investment. Life is short. Go wild. Stepping out of your automotive comfort zone can be interesting. Refreshing, even. Too bad I'd probably have to jump through hoops and a lot of red tape to import a Citroen (something like a BX or a Zantia), because rolling around in a modern yet still-oddball French car is something I'd love to do.
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cursedshitbox posted:Agreed. Boring is best for retirement and investment accounts. Cars aren't an investment. Life is short. Go wild. I totally understand the opposite sentiment that life to too short to be dicking around with a broken car.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:The biggest problem with a 220Kw I6 from Mazda is the fact it's in a huge road turd. Put it in a lighter smaller 
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BuckyDoneGun posted:The only Cavalier I ever experienced was a ~99ish JDM Toyota version. Rode in it to the beach on a hot day, the AC was broken, the windows were broken, the only airflow was from the sunroof, which did work, but meant the sun was beating down on us mercilessly. The last stretch to this particular beach was down a rough gravel forestry road, where several times it felt like it was going to float off into the scenery. And it kept missing thanks to sketchy coils. I should make clear to non-North American posters: No one in North America liked the Cavalier or thought it was a good car, especially not General Motors.
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smooth jazz posted:I totally understand the opposite sentiment that life to too short to be dicking around with a broken car. More like my hosed up back and arthritis keeps me from dicking around with broken cars these days  Ever since I bought a newer super reliable econobox it's been quite nice actually 
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morothar posted:Our 1993 320CE makes ~220ish hp from an I6. Slap a turbo on it, and it’d probably make around the same as the Mazda I6 in 2023. The Benz also gets 21 mpg, which is only mildly worse than the CX90. Yeah, that's a m103/m104 mash up with a 24V head running CIS-E. I love that era of benz. Meanwhile nothing else really got that engine engine. It was either LFM in the post '93 124/140 and a small one in the early W202 making unimpressive numbers or a lovely god awful boat anchor 2.6 M103 in the W201. It is for all intents and purposes, another outlier, like the honda F, A, and B. Fords Constant Vibration and Harshness (The CVH) is actually a great call out because they made that rattly shaky gutless noisy piece of poo poo till 2003 or someshit where it was replaced by the crankwalkapalooza zetec. smooth jazz posted:I totally understand the opposite sentiment that life to too short to be dicking around with a broken car. Life is short. Sometimes shorter for others than it should be. Spend it where it counts. Polishing turds is my kinda life.
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Throatwarbler posted:I should make clear to non-North American posters: No one in North America liked the Cavalier or thought it was a good car, especially not General Motors. Oh for sure. What was the worst trick played on Japanese buyers? The Cavalier, or the Honda Crossroad? 
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BuckyDoneGun posted:Oh for sure. I'm sure there are unironic likers of the J bodies but at least with the Honda Crossroad that's just a weird series I Rover which has legitimate, if misguided, fans.
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Looks like VW is getting rid of the haptic steering wheel controls and bringing back real buttons. The touch slider volume remains. Guess that's too expensive to fix. 
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^^^ Yeah I heard they were gonna do that, it's probably just going back to one of the other types of wheels they have on hand. Too much  to fix the volume/hvacWistful of Dollars posted:
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smooth jazz posted:Looks like VW is getting rid of the haptic steering wheel controls and bringing back real buttons. Which model is that? I'm wondering how long it takes them to work back through and fix all the different models they messed up. Like which model year will it be ok to cross shop a Golf R again?
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Golf facelift
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90s Solo Cup posted:You'd take the Cavalier if you couldn't afford a Corolla. Funny thing was the Cavalier was marketed as a semi-luxury product in Japan - they were all quite high spec and quite a lot more expensive than most Corollas. 90s Solo Cup posted:Stepping out of your automotive comfort zone can be interesting. Refreshing, even. Too bad I'd probably have to jump through hoops and a lot of red tape to import a Citroen (something like a BX or a Zantia), because rolling around in a modern yet still-oddball French car is something I'd love to do. Eh that's very much a you wouldn't want one if you could have one situation. The Xantia certainly was comfortable but most of the engines and all of the transmissions were garbage.
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smooth jazz posted:Looks like VW is getting rid of the haptic steering wheel controls and bringing back real buttons. I read a column in a car magazine where the writer was attending a presentation of new models at the Seat factory. He was sitting in the new Leon and talking with the Seat R&D Chief Matthias Rabe and expressed his doubts of superiority of touch controls. Rabe's reply was, "I agree, but they told me I'm too old."
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smooth jazz posted:Looks like VW is getting rid of the haptic steering wheel controls and bringing back real buttons. Geez...that's an obnoxiously huge tablet. Either shrink it or move it lower on the center stack.
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https://jalopnik.com/a-legislative-battle-is-brewing-between-dealers-and-car-1850184697 Dealers are suing automakers to prevent them from charging monthly fees for heated seats because they're not getting a cut of the fees.
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What everyone thinks will happen: subscription services will go away What will actually happen: subscription prices go up so Dealer's can get cut in on it
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Can’t wait for them to try to spin that as somehow benefitting the consumer. My brain isn’t slimy enough to come up with a semi plausible argument they could use
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Dealer markup is such a bizarre concept. I'm so used to car makers having price lists on their websites, including available extras and so on. That's the maximum you will be paying, no matter which dealership you go to, but there is room to negotiate downwards. I was even advised by the dealer to not get a better radio installed when I bought my Panda, because I'd have to pay registration tax based on the additional cost of the radio. It would be a lot cheaper to get the radio installed afterwards. Still never buying a new car ever again.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:The biggest problem with a 220Kw I6 from Mazda is the fact it's in a huge road turd. Put it in a lighter smaller sedan cowards It sounds like there were plans for a new Mazda 6 based on this RWD platform, but Mazda may have cancelled it based on what Mazda executives have said in public. Mazda's a small company, and few people buy sedans anymore, anywhere. Here's an executive from Mazda Europe: quote:The news comes via the latest print edition of Britain's Autocar in which Joachim Kunz, Mazda Europe's engineering and development boss, spoke rather frankly on the matter. "It would be very nice… to have the FR [front-engine, rear-driven] concept and six-cylinder engine for a Mazda 6 successor or a large sports coupe," he told the magazine. "We would like to have it, but at this point in time, it's most important to sell SUVs." He expands on the latter statement: "This SUV trend is continuing, and even more for Mazda. It's what's selling best."
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Dehumanize yourself and face to SUV world.
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A lot of people probably don't know this but every new Ford comes from the plant with between 2 and 6 manufacturing defects and if you find and report all of them in the first month of ownership you win a free oil change.
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It's not a defect, it's fomoco product personality.
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its a lifestyle adventure vehicle part of the adventure is finding the manufacturing defects
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The main rule for buying a Ford is to never buy the first model year of any new or new gen vehicle. Personally I think the sweet spot is the midcycle refresh, but at least wait until year 2.
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skipdogg posted:The main rule for buying a Ford is to never buy the first model year of any new or new gen vehicle. Personally I think the sweet spot is the midcycle refresh, but at least wait until year 2. My Mustang is a 2018, first year of the refresh and it has been problem free other than a hood with hilariously bad alignment.
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skipdogg posted:The main rule for buying a Ford is to never buy the first model year of any new or new gen vehicle. Personally I think the sweet spot is the midcycle refresh, but at least wait until year 2. Correct. You can’t wait too long either because that’s when the cost savings cuts start
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My Maverick has been a fine transportation appliance so far.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:its a lifestyle adventure vehicle Find your nonconformance adventure
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bird with big dick posted:A lot of people probably don't know this but every new Ford comes from the plant with between 2 and 6 manufacturing defects and if you find and report all of them in the first month of ownership you win a free oil change. This is obvious bullshit because 6 is not the upper limit. Source: 2016 Mustang GT owner
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