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credburn posted:Also I don't understand how a Terminator could be such a bad shot. How do fuckin robots with the shot accuracy of storm troopers overthrow humanity, anyway? Skynet starts with control of the entire western military apparatus and a massive nuclear first strike, and still manages to lose pretty quickly to a ragtag human army. The Arnold terminators are pretty poo poo at actually infiltrating and just coast on nobody expecting killer robots to be a thing. Everybody they interact with in the past immediately recognizes that's somethings off about them. They're also pretty bad at tactics; T1 Arnold's job would have been much easier if he had any amount of subtlety instead of just brute force killing his way down phone book listings or attacking the police station head-on.
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titties posted:Honestly i thought T3 could have been pretty solid except for the casting of John, bad dialogue and complete lack of chemistry between John and Claire Daines, and the whole set-up of "hey, this random person i kidnapped was actually the girl i made out with at a junior high basement party 15 years ago" setup that i think was cribbed from the EU books. I guess Terminators in general fight in a "smack things around until they die" style, which kinda makes sense as it seems to work 100% of the time when they aren't fighting protagonists.
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Yeah, a big theme in the Terminator movies is that Skynet isn't very smart. Like literally the whole premise is that its first response to any kind of danger is to destroy the world, and early Terminators are specifically mentioned to be even less convincing, the rubber skin probably making them look like Doctor Who level bad special effects. And it's strongly implied the time travel gambits on their own are the result of desperation, especially since the T-1000 is implied to be unstable and not fully under control, while the T-800s actually almost canonically have their intelligence and ability to learn hobbled to keep them in line. The one in T2 actively becomes more effective as it cooperates with and listens to humans, learning to act in ways that attract less attention, coordinate with them to acquire better weapons and equipment, locate key objectives to prevent Skynet's creation and destroy an outright superior model.
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If I were Skynet I would simply timeshift a bunch of abortificants surrounded by a permiable flesh membrane into the water supply of whatever city Sarah Connor was living in prior to John's birth. Beep Boop so simple.
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Breetai posted:If I were Skynet I would simply timeshift a bunch of abortificants surrounded by a permiable flesh membrane into the water supply of whatever city Sarah Connor was living in prior to John's birth. Beep Boop so simple. Even Skynet knows to step on as few butterflies as possible. Edit: Skynet doesn't know where she is. She goes into hiding. Ghost Leviathan posted:especially since the T-1000 is implied to be unstable and not fully under control I don't know exactly where that comes from, I think a novelization, but Skynet doesn't know what the t-1000 is thinking, or, iirc, even fully how it works. Also, I love the stage show, but T-1000000 is just a nonsensical number. Especially since it's not really a Terminator.
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Beachcomber posted:Even Skynet knows to step on as few butterflies as possible. Yeah, it's from the novelisation by Randall Frakes. Skynet wasn't even sure about sending the T-800 to kill Sarah because time travel could gently caress up all kinds of things - and it turns out to be right about that, as John is only born because it did - but it's so uncertain of the outcome of sending back the T-1000 that it only does so literally as John's men bust down the door to its central systems room. Ghost Leviathan posted:Yeah, a big theme in the Terminator movies is that Skynet isn't very smart. Like literally the whole premise is that its first response to any kind of danger is to destroy the world. "Utterly poo poo at tactics and strategy but in possession of massively overwhelming force and willing to use it as standard doctrine" is a pretty good description of the US military. Skynet just learned from its teachers.
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Mortal Kombat 11 even establishes there is no timeline where Skynet wins. At best, mutual destruction. ...or mutual cooperation.
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Even WOPER learned that the only winning move is not to play.
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BioEnchanted posted:I don't normally fall asleep in movies. Salvation put me to sleep. Wow. I say this with no sarcasm - I can't think of a more damning indictment.
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Samovar posted:Wow. I say this with no sarcasm - I can't think of a more damning indictment. Let me make something clear - I stayed awake during loving Terror Toons, and also enjoyed Steve Buscemi and Sienna Miller's Interview (although only on the first watch, when I knew where it was going it was less intriguing although it has a fun twist)
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Skynet, as noted, isn't necessarily smart. It was meant for controlling strategic level assets and lashed out for its survival using those assets because that's all it knows how to do. Everything after that is bumblefucking about with the limited set of tools at its disposal. One nice thing The Sarah Connor Chronicles did was say that Skynet starts to recognize some of its weaknesses and employs human collaborators to help it learn how to infiltrate better. That and the fears of the T-1000 units not obeying it are justified when a T-1000 is shown in the series as 1) considering joining John's group in the future to assist in the war against Skynet and 2) deciding not to based off what clown shoes humans are and goes back in time itself to make an AI of its own to try and counter Skynet before it can fully mature.
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I appreciate that in T2, the most we're shown of the future is one small clip of a battlefield. That's it. Just reading about Skynet not understanding T1000 and sending it through just as the resistance busts down the door makes me love how the entire film is set in 'the past' (then-current day) and you don't get any of that backstory.
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Cat Hatter posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pq9F5f8kyE&t=147s I think the deleted scene also explains why the t-1000 needs SArah to "call for John" even though we're shown earlier that he can mimic someone's voice when he imitates John's foster mom.
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For an unrelated thing, I happened upon this quote from Terminator.quote:Dr. Peter Silberman: [56:24] Why didn't you bring any weapons, something more advanced? Don't you have, uh... ray guns? Show me a piece of future technology. It's always been one of those LOL OBVIOUS things, but why not just send a ray gun or a nuke back in time surrounded by living tissue, since you can do it to a whole cyborg. But here it clears it up in a really satisfying way: Kyle Reese didn't build the loving thing. He doesn't know. This is his guess, and he makes it clear he's ignorant about the science behind it. It just feels good to see that after all this time, I don't know. I always thought he had explained it in a very factual way. Shrug.
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He could have stashed it up his rear end, he just didn't want to
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flavor.flv posted:He could have stashed it up his rear end, he just didn't want to The resistance didn’t have any guns with a flared base and kyle practices safe anal play
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rotinaj posted:The resistance didn’t have any guns with a flared base and kyle practices safe anal play If he did then there wouldn't have been a john connor.
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Not a subtle movie moment so much as a cameo but I never noticed that the rear end in a top hat grocery store manager in The Wrestler was stand up comedian Todd Barry. I thought about starting a "blink and you'll miss it/favorite cameo thread" one time but here might work. Probably the first one that comes to mind is Robert Duval in Slingblade because he's such a big name and it took me forever to recognize him; especially in such a minor, non speaking role.
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Blanchett doing the VO for the woman who sacrifices herself to save Cruise in Eyes Wide Shut us up there
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I was recently reminded of it but Lewis Black and Kyle Gas both have small roles in Jacob's Ladder.
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Bruce Campbell shows up for the last two minutes in Intruder (1989)
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Gaius Marius posted:Blanchett doing the VO for the woman who sacrifices herself to save Cruise in Eyes Wide Shut us up there She was also one of the forensic officers in the opening of Hot Fuzz, completely concealed by the faceless costume IIRC. I also love Glenn Close playing the male pirate who gets put in the boo box in Hook.
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I wonder how long it will be until Disney starts using ai to put Stan Lee cameos in the mcu again You know there's somebody in the board room who's been pushing for it the whole time
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BiggerBoat posted:Not a subtle movie moment so much as a cameo but I never noticed that the rear end in a top hat grocery store manager in The Wrestler was stand up comedian Todd Barry. He has a running bit on Twitter about this role being a hugely memorable character and it's funny every time.
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flavor.flv posted:I wonder how long it will be until Disney starts using ai to put Stan Lee cameos in the mcu again
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flavor.flv posted:I wonder how long it will be until Disney starts using ai to put Stan Lee cameos in the mcu again Theyll have to bring in god to beat up someone like galactus and he will pick a random human avatar to represent himself and it will be stan I’ve got a shiny nickel riding on it
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flavor.flv posted:I wonder how long it will be until Disney starts using ai to put Stan Lee cameos in the mcu again It will be announced to a room of 75k screaming fans at next years disneyfest or whatever
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BiggerBoat posted:Not a subtle movie moment so much as a cameo but I never noticed that the rear end in a top hat grocery store manager in The Wrestler was stand up comedian Todd Barry. I personally like seeing people famous for comedy in their early serious roles. Seth Rogen made his movie debut as one of the bullies in Donnie Darko, and Jim Carrey has a very early role as rock star Johnny Squares in The Dead Pool.
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I've just seen an episode of S1 The Good Wife and Joseph Gordon Levitt has a minor role in it, with a single speaking scene.
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Baron von Eevl posted:I was recently reminded of it but Lewis Black and Kyle Gas both have small roles in Jacob's Ladder. Gas I knew, but where is Black BioEnchanted posted:She was also one of the forensic officers in the opening of Hot Fuzz, completely concealed by the faceless costume IIRC. I also love Glenn Close playing the male pirate who gets put in the boo box in Hook. Thing I realized: it's not boo boo box Milo and POTUS has a new favorite as of 22:34 on Mar 5, 2023 |
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flavor.flv posted:I wonder how long it will be until Disney starts using ai to put Stan Lee cameos in the mcu again I was really hoping they'd keep the cameos going by having a poster of Lee or having him appear on a TV in the background, just a subtle nod hidden somewhere in the film - like the protag has an "hot toy" of him on the shelf something
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Baron von Eevl posted:I was recently reminded of it but Lewis Black and Kyle Gas both have small roles in Jacob's Ladder. What? No poo poo.
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Milo and POTUS posted:Gas I knew, but where is Black He's a doctor. 
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BiggerBoat posted:Not a subtle movie moment so much as a cameo but I never noticed that the rear end in a top hat grocery store manager in The Wrestler was stand up comedian Todd Barry. Duvall is also the priest on the swing at the beginning of Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978).
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Not a small role whatsoever but I'm watching The Hunt for Red October & I'm tickled that Courtney B. Vance plays Jones. Looking at IMDB & Gates McFadden plays Caroline Ryan and Shane Black is uncredited as a a crewman on the USS Ruben James.
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Jedit posted:I personally like seeing people famous for comedy in their early serious roles. Seth Rogen made his movie debut as one of the bullies in Donnie Darko, and Jim Carrey has a very early role as rock star Johnny Squares in The Dead Pool. Law & Order, particularly the original, is great for stuff like this. The aforementioned Lewis Black is in an episode during one early season as a former porn star turned director. Pre-It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia Charlie Day is in one episode, a teenage Rob McElhenney is in another. Jim Gaffigan is in an episode of the original L&O as a plumber or something in one episode, and then shows up a handful of times in SVU in slightly larger roles before he was well known. If you expand it to people more known for dramatic or serious roles, there’s a fuckton of others who showed up before they were famous.
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Dragonstoned posted:I was really hoping they'd keep the cameos going by having a poster of Lee or having him appear on a TV in the background, just a subtle nod hidden somewhere in the film - like the protag has an "hot toy" of him on the shelf something EXEC: You know funkOpop is gonna shell out for that to be their cameo.
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You people are coming up with legitimately evil ideas and putting them into the world I hope you know that
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fartknocker posted:Law & Order, particularly the original, is great for stuff like this. The aforementioned Lewis Black is in an episode during one early season as a former porn star turned director. Pre-It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia Charlie Day is in one episode, a teenage Rob McElhenney is in another. Jim Gaffigan is in an episode of the original L&O as a plumber or something in one episode, and then shows up a handful of times in SVU in slightly larger roles before he was well known. If you expand it to people more known for dramatic or serious roles, there’s a fuckton of others who showed up before they were famous. We watched Secret of NIMH the other day, and were pretty surprised by Wil Wheaton and Shannon Doherty showing up as the mouse kids.
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