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Fast food is 100% about convenience and has not been anything close to a cheaper option for many years
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A lot of our structures still feel there is someone at home tending the house too. So whether thats picking up children or making meals, our policies feel very based around having someone at home to do all of this.
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Mar 6, 2023 20:28
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Vahakyla posted:And when you count dollars, often the dollar menus of fast food places are going to be cheaper by orders of magnitude than any healthy options at a grocery store. Only if you count calories. If you are going for satiety then fruits and veggies own.
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Mar 6, 2023 20:31
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the_steve posted:The time is a cost all on it's own, not just an unattractive quality. Right. That's what I am saying. It's not simply an issue of "make beans, lentils, and rice free to solve the obesity crisis." It's also lifestyle, convenience, and flavor factors that lead people to choose fast food or instant meals. So, just making beans cheaper isn't going to be the sole solution.
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Mar 6, 2023 20:33
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I can't remember if it was posted here or in a different thread, but there was a longish article about dollar stores being the retail business that benefited the most from the pandemic, and I imagine fast food ate the restaurant market share in much the same way. Small footprint, drive-thru and doordash made pandemic restrictions irrelevant, and even with wage increases you are still putting a lot less labor in compared to the kitchen and waitstaff at a sit-down place.
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Mar 6, 2023 20:33
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:You still can. You just can't have "healthy" written on the box, even in the brand name, of any food you eat. This is considerably more complicated than you or the article are presenting, and frustratingly enough the food industry is about 80% correct- it’s a really shittily written rule. I’ll put together an effortpost this evening.
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Mar 6, 2023 20:36
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Discendo Vox posted:This is considerably more complicated than you or the article are presenting, and frustratingly enough the food industry is about 80% correct- it’s a really shittily written rule. I’ll put together an effortpost this evening. Obviously that specific post was not meant to be a detailed analysis of administrative law. What about the Washington Post article do you think is off?
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Mar 6, 2023 20:38
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Yeah, it would help a lot if healthy food actually tasted good. I've been trying to eat healthy (with a doctor-advised low-carb diet) and it sucks. Oh boy broccoli slaw and grilled chicken again.
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Mar 6, 2023 20:41
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Byzantine posted:Yeah, it would help a lot if healthy food actually tasted good. I've been trying to eat healthy (with a doctor-advised low-carb diet) and it sucks. Oh boy broccoli slaw and grilled chicken again. That's a seasoning issue, with the right seasoning chicken and broccoli are incredible.
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Mar 6, 2023 20:43
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Obviously that specific post was not meant to be a detailed analysis of administrative law. I mean, it’s going to have to be a several part essay. The regulation, the guideline the regulation is based on, the things the industry groups are actually complaining about, the underlying research, are all presented in ways that are sufficiently limited that folks are coming away from the article with incorrect impressions. This is all made worse because, not by coincidence, it’s happening at the intersection of some really influential pseudoscience (published as science) and resulting incorrect public beliefs and policy around nutrition. For one tiny part of many, the regulation is about a category of specifically regulated claim (a general form of “implied nutrient content claim,” at 21 CFR 101.65) that may include use of the word healthy. Companies can (almost certainly, it’s in the commentary on the rule from FDA and it’s how the rule is structured) use other kinds of claims that use the word healthy if they meet the requirements for those claims. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Mar 6, 2023 |
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Mar 6, 2023 20:47
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Thanks for elaborating. I'll be interested to read the full thing.Discendo Vox posted:Companies can (almost certainly, it’s in the commentary on the rule from FDA and it’s how the rule is structured) use other kinds of claims that use the word healthy if they meet the requirements for those claims. This is mentioned in the WaPo article, though. The thing they say is that almost none of the current offerings from "Healthy Choice" brand foods would meet those standards because of the added sugar, saturated fat, and sodium contents. I believe the specific measure they are using for "too much added sugar" is 2.5 grams or more. They don't say that the word healthy will be entirely banned as a matter of policy.
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Mar 6, 2023 20:51
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Civilized Fishbot posted:That's a seasoning issue, with the right seasoning chicken and broccoli are incredible. Yeah once, but as a lifestyle meal the seasonings get oooooooooooooooold.
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Mar 6, 2023 20:52
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Civilized Fishbot posted:That's a seasoning issue, with the right seasoning chicken and broccoli are incredible. The problems occur when you're trying to do this 3-5 times a week or so.
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Mar 6, 2023 20:55
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:You still can. You just can't have "healthy" written on the box, even in the brand name, of any food you eat. Phoneposting, but here’s an example of the posting at issue.
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Mar 6, 2023 20:57
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Discendo Vox posted:Phoneposting, but here’s an example of the posting at issue. Is there a way to get a 2,700 calorie frozen pizza within the guidelines for saturated fat and added sugar? Does not seem possible to me.
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Mar 6, 2023 21:00
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Is there a way to get a 2,700 calorie frozen pizza within the guidelines for saturated fat and added sugar? Does not seem possible to me. First, the user said only “a salt lick’s amount in a frozen meal” or similar; the pizza example was yours, while saying the word healthy can’t appear anywhere on the box. Such a product could, for instance, probably use the word “healthy” in a qualified health claim, which is a different kind of claim (the proposed rule seems to leave that open based on the structure of the regulation, but also has a weird requirement carve out for nuts that references qualified health claims). The proposed rule also explicitly states that the term is not treated as a nutrient content claim in labeling if it cannot be seen as occurring “in a nutritional context.” To further clarify, this isn’t just labels or packaging; when FDA says “labeling,” that’s a term referring to basically all messaging and consumer-facing communication.
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Mar 6, 2023 21:13
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Name Change posted:The problems occur when you're trying to do this 3-5 times a week or so. You can stir fry any vegetables and they'll be consistently tasty " on repeat" for.as.long as you want. That takes skill, time, practice, equipment, and tolerance for risk you might burn it all, tho.
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Mar 6, 2023 21:15
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Civilized Fishbot posted:That's a seasoning issue, with the right seasoning chicken and broccoli are incredible.
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Mar 6, 2023 21:16
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Discendo Vox posted:First, the user said only “a salt lick’s amount in a frozen meal” or similar; the pizza example was yours, while saying the word healthy can’t appear anywhere on the box. Such a product could, for instance, probably use the word “healthy” in a qualified health claim, which is a different kind of claim (the proposed rule seems to leave that open based on the structure of the regulation, but also has a weird requirement carve out for nuts that references qualified health claims). The proposed rule also explicitly states that the term is not treated as a nutrient content claim in labeling if it cannot be seen as occurring “in a nutritional context.” Fair, but I thought the 2,700 calorie "personal" pizza and eating an entire salt lick were obvious jokes. That last paragraph/sentence is actually an interesting thing that isn't really spelled out in the WaPo article, so thank you for expanding on that.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Fair, but I thought the 2,700 calorie "personal" pizza and eating an entire salt lick were obvious jokes
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…and the problem with the post was referring to “healthy anywhere on the box,” when even the joke items may still be able to use it.
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Mar 6, 2023 21:41
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:You can stir fry any vegetables and they'll be consistently tasty " on repeat" for.as.long as you want. The age-old fight of semi-skill-based cooking with ingredients that don't make you feel like poo poo, vs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wusGIl3v044
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Mar 6, 2023 21:41
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With all of this discussion on healthy eating, if anyone is interested in some healthy and easy recipes check out Youtubers Josh Cortis and Felu - Fit by Cooking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vD0C4oR7RI Both of them substitute healthier options for dishes not known for being particularly healthy while still having lots of flavor. You'll pick up some useful cooking skills in the process and be able to start experimenting with your own healthy recipe ideas.
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Mar 6, 2023 21:43
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Cheesus posted:I don't disagree, but in my experience it takes seasoning plus a large amount of fat and salt to reach "incredible" territory, let alone playing in the same ballpark as fast food. They are lying, no amount of cooking can make broccoli good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMZHja6dmgc Has there been any study that shows a way to break the time+cost+flavor conundrum? The Super Soup Kitchen seems like one of the few realistic proposals to get around having to pay people to cook while simultaneously teaching them how to cook/eat healthy and sin taxing the poo poo out of unhealthy options to overcome the taste barrier.
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Mar 6, 2023 21:50
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Here's a headline with a combination of words I did not expect to see. Tyler Perry is in talks to become the majority owner of VH1 and BET. I was also not aware that VH1 and BET had merged into a single parent company within Paramount. Paramount, who currently owns both channels, wants to sell the channels because they need cash to shore up Paramount+ and because Tyler Perry already owns a minority stake in BET's existing streaming platform (BET+) and it would complicate any attempt by Paramount to license BET+ content for free on Paramount+ or Pluto TV (their free, but ad-supported streaming network). https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1632841018822258690 quote:Paramount Global is exploring a sale of a majority stake of BET Media Group, which includes the cable channels BET and VH1, people familiar with the matter said. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Mar 6, 2023 |
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Mar 6, 2023 21:51
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Cheesus posted:I don't disagree, but in my experience it takes seasoning plus a large amount of fat and salt to reach "incredible" territory, let alone playing in the same ballpark as fast food. While you'll probably want some salt for broccoli, throwing in some pepper, garlic, lemon juice, and nutritional yeast into it goes a long way
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Discendo Vox posted:…and the problem with the post was referring to “healthy anywhere on the box,” when even the joke items may still be able to use it.
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Mustang posted:With all of this discussion on healthy eating, if anyone is interested in some healthy and easy recipes check out Youtubers Josh Cortis and Felu - Fit by Cooking. These are really good! That's precisely right, lot of those at first don't seem that healthy (because they're tasty).
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Mar 6, 2023 21:57
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Seems like there's better things they could be doing, but I'm not really sure how saying brands can't advertise their stuff as healthy considering the pretty limited requirements here is such a big deal.
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Mar 6, 2023 21:59
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:
it would be hilarious if Tyler Perry brings music content back to VH1 before MTV. I mean it won't happen but still hilarious And yes my saltlick thing was a joke.
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Mar 6, 2023 22:12
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Mooseontheloose posted:it would be hilarious if Tyler Perry brings music content back to VH1 before MTV. I mean it won't happen but still hilarious The WSJ doesn't say anything about Perry necessarily wanting to change the content. Maybe he just thinks it is profitable or wants to own the full BET and VH1 channels instead of just a minority share in the BET streaming platform? It's not really clear why he wants in. But, I doubt VH1 or MTV ever go back to fully music content anymore. It just doesn't really make sense in the era of Youtube, streaming radio, etc.
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Mar 6, 2023 22:14
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The WSJ doesn't say anything about Perry necessarily wanting to change the content. Maybe he just thinks it is profitable or wants to own the full BET and VH1 channels instead of just a minority share in the BET streaming platform? Perry is already immune to grits, and buying VH1 may make him immune to polenta.
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Mar 6, 2023 22:22
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The real question is: will red states start banning the Madea movies?
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VikingofRock posted:The real question is: will red states start banning the Madea movies? Why ban what is only marketed to minorities in the first place?
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Mar 6, 2023 22:32
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Byzantine posted:Yeah, it would help a lot if healthy food actually tasted good. I've been trying to eat healthy (with a doctor-advised low-carb diet) and it sucks. Oh boy broccoli slaw and grilled chicken again. I wonder how many people just default to getting fast food for the 5th time this week not so much because of the cost and convenience factor (though those are big factors) but rather have kids and just don't want them complaining about how awful the healthier options taste.
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Slightly tangential, but I'm reminded of an advertising technicality I saw on twitter: https://twitter.com/katietiedrich/status/1616237128886915072?s=20 They are baffled by the "2x meat required by the 'lasagna with meat sauce standard' " But it's not just goofy advertising/bragging - One of the responders pointed out the trick - the product is "lasagna with meat & sauce." The difference being "meat & sauce" and "meat sauce" and if you look at the FDA standards, FDA lableling posted:https://www.fsis.usda.gov/sites/default/files/import/Labeling-Policy-Book.pdf
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My vodka tonics require 2X the vodka. It's required.
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That's not a trick, it's an explanation of a weird food rule.
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Figuring out how to reduce meat usage without pissing people off is good though.
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Are we even barking up the right tree thinking of obesity as a food and exercise issue? The big spike in obesity rates globally coincides with the late-1970s discovery of Adv36, a virus that basically rewires metabolism in a wide variety of animals so that even if diet stays the same they get fatter. I mean, we even see an obesity epidemic in animals that aren't connected to the human food system particularly at all, like lab rats grow faster and other weird effects. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adenovirus_serotype_36
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