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Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

a pipe smoking dog posted:

I'm British and suddenly realising how weird it is we don't eat squirrels given how much people viscerally hate them (the forrin grey ones at least).

Do they taste bad? I figure they are probably like nutty rabbits.

american squirrel is fattened by nacho cheese, fried mozzarella, and mayo burgers but also battered with bud light so ymmv

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Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.

This was a pretty good read and makes total sense.

Is there a source on what Russian soldiers are actually being paid ? I'd like to know that.

Velius
Feb 27, 2001

HonorableTB posted:

its true, this squirrel is eating better than me. skabayeva has all the scoops, western societies in starvation rations



edit: a shameful snipe

This British documentary I was watching showed a bunch of squirrel meals, I don’t think this is a new thing.

https://youtu.be/b2Pk9yhZct0

Tai
Mar 8, 2006

Taerkar posted:

How many weeks until a proud war widow is photographed with a frozen brick of squirrels?

Or just an actual brick

Rev. Bleech_
Oct 19, 2004

~OKAY, WE'LL DRINK TO OUR LEGS!~


lmbo, loving idiots don't even realize that was just Ben Reilly they took out

zone
Dec 6, 2016

Hollismason posted:

This was a pretty good read and makes total sense.

Is there a source on what Russian soldiers are actually being paid ? I'd like to know that.

Wagners are reportedly paid (in theory) 2000-5000$ per month of fighting with bonuses. In practice many complained of not being paid on time or paid at all.
https://www.businessinsider.com/drafted-russia-soldiers-on-strike-after-not-getting-paid-report-2022-11
Russian soldiers are supposed to be paid 3000-4000 per month but they have the same issues with pay as well. Reportedly it's only gotten worse since.

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006
MAP




This is the latest developments around Bakhmut based on OSINT, geolocated data, and battle information is sourced to the daily briefs of the UKR General Staff and others.

The Russians are getting stalled out by Ukrainian air power, which marks a distinct uptick in aviation usage in Bakhmut specifically. Air defense is too thick on the ground in the area as seen by UKR air defense downing a RU SU-24 and Ukrainian SEAD strikes against SAMs. Ukrainian air defense also downed 8 RU recon drones, so seeing 12 Ukrainian sorties in such a short time is a departure from previous operations

Russian casualties for the day reach 1,030 confirmed KIA and 4,240 casualties in total for the day (WIA/KIA/MIA). They lost 23 artillery systems today as well (sourced from minusrus). It's almost certain that Russian offensive will culminate soon if it hasn't already.

HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Mar 7, 2023

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.

zone posted:

Wagners are reportedly paid (in theory) 2000-5000$ per month of fighting with bonuses. In practice many complained of not being paid on time or paid at all.
https://www.businessinsider.com/drafted-russia-soldiers-on-strike-after-not-getting-paid-report-2022-11
Russian soldiers are supposed to be paid 3000-4000 per month but they have the same issues with pay as well. Reportedly it's only gotten worse since.

I wonder what the actual regular wage is in Russia compared to working in the military.

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"
The stuff about people hoping to be rich when the come back is an every soldier kind of thing, though- Americans who maybe didn't like being in Iraq ended up back in the States with huge bank accounts because all of their major expenses are taken care of, so they end up buying ridiculous cars and spending it at strip clubs- there are cottage industries dedicated to emptying the bank accounts of returning soldiers.

I kinda doubt this will be the experience of Russian soldiers.

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006

Panzeh posted:

The stuff about people hoping to be rich when the come back is an every soldier kind of thing, though- Americans who maybe didn't like being in Iraq ended up back in the States with huge bank accounts because all of their major expenses are taken care of, so they end up buying ridiculous cars and spending it at strip clubs- there are cottage industries dedicated to emptying the bank accounts of returning soldiers.

I kinda doubt this will be the experience of Russian soldiers.

forlornly watching their fish bricks melt

Oscar Wilde Bunch
Jun 12, 2012

Grimey Drawer

HonorableTB posted:

MAP




This is the latest developments around Bakhmut based on OSINT, geolocated data, and battle information is sourced to the daily briefs of the UKR General Staff and others.

The Russians are getting stalled out by Ukrainian air power, which marks a distinct uptick in aviation usage in Bakhmut specifically. Air defense is too thick on the ground in the area as seen by UKR air defense downing a RU SU-24 and Ukrainian SEAD strikes against SAMs. Ukrainian air defense also downed 8 RU recon drones, so seeing 12 Ukrainian sorties in such a short time is a departure from previous operations

Russian casualties for the day reach 1,030 confirmed KIA and 4,240 casualties in total for the day (WIA/KIA/MIA). They lost 23 artillery systems today as well (sourced from minusrus). It's almost certain that Russian offensive will culminate soon if it hasn't already.

It would be surreal at this point if Wagner/Russia culminates this whole offensive and then right at the end they just can't finish, or if gliding JDAMS is just the linchpin that halts their advance. I imagine 1000-3000lb bombs can do significantly more work than 155 arty rounds can.

shadow puppet of a
Jan 10, 2007

NO TENGO SCORPIO


Karate Bastard posted:

Actually it gives you scrapie rabies cerebral salt-wasting syndrome.

Poot-poot is a waste salt.

Kaiser Schnitzel
Mar 29, 2006

Schnitzel mit uns


Hollismason posted:

I wonder what the actual regular wage is in Russia compared to working in the military.

From what I can find online $600-1200/mo is the 'average' russian monthly salary. Obviously comparisons are hard based on cost of living/PPP to turn that into real USD, but it's safe to say soldiers are getting paid quite a bit more than they would be in civilian life.

tiaz
Jul 1, 2004

PICK UP THAT PRESENT.


Zelensky's Zealots

Oscar Wilde Bunch posted:

It would be surreal at this point if Wagner/Russia culminates this whole offensive and then right at the end they just can't finish, or if gliding JDAMS is just the linchpin that halts their advance. I imagine 1000-3000lb bombs can do significantly more work than 155 arty rounds can.

20ish pounds HE (155) vs 300ish pounds (1klb JDAM) is a real difference, yeah. I imagine it's currently easier to get 155 right onto a moving target, though - I think the glide bombs have to be used at a distance given the highly contested environment. if Ukraine has/are using the laser guidance kits, that's a different story.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Oscar Wilde Bunch posted:

It would be surreal at this point if Wagner/Russia culminates this whole offensive and then right at the end they just can't finish, or if gliding JDAMS is just the linchpin that halts their advance. I imagine 1000-3000lb bombs can do significantly more work than 155 arty rounds can.

Yeah but these dudes aren't just standing around in a huge clill.

I mean inadvertantly a 3000LB bomb creates a rifle pit which can be good for defense. Better off hitting an ammo depot or a front cq

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

Yeah but these dudes aren't just standing around in a huge clill.


All of Wagner files into an abandoned building with a huge "free toilets" sign

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008


Unnecessary cruelty, shamanistic benefits but only if you believe into them, and a showing of being rich and powerful enough to get regularly such treatments. No wonder why Putin is into it, all three boxes tick.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

zone posted:

Wagners are reportedly paid (in theory) 2000-5000$ per month of fighting with bonuses. In practice many complained of not being paid on time or paid at all.
https://www.businessinsider.com/drafted-russia-soldiers-on-strike-after-not-getting-paid-report-2022-11
Russian soldiers are supposed to be paid 3000-4000 per month but they have the same issues with pay as well. Reportedly it's only gotten worse since.

lol welcome to capitalism, comrades

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Let's remember how many times a king or Lord would hire mercenaries, not pay them, then have their hold or city burned to the ground by the unpaid mercs.


The fourth crusade is a great example of this

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse

Hollismason posted:

I wonder what the actual regular wage is in Russia compared to working in the military.

I'll let somebody else look that up, but the salary for UA privates is elaborated here if that's the next question, at 2:05

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIOiG-MgXXE

The rest of the video is also pretty interesting regarding unit makeup, and armaments

Decrepus
May 21, 2008

In the end, his dominion did not touch a single poster.


The once-great Britain is now cutting their squirrel meals using frozen poopknives. A shameful display.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

Victis posted:

Do you have the same concerns over Donbas, why or why not
To a lesser degree, yeah. My surface level understanding is that the population there has had less time to be subjected to Russian population changes, but I don't think it's unreasonable to have concerns about the retaking of regions that have been held for an extended period of time, where the population's loyalties are, for any amount of reasons, mixed. I'm not arguing Ukraine just give those regions up, but depending on how things go, I'm prepared to change my mind on that.

Lord Awkward
Feb 16, 2012

Assume it's suddenly being brought up because of this BBC article from 28 Feb about the need for a squirrel cull.

quote:

A wildlife project wants to reintroduce native red squirrels and humanely cull the non-native grey squirrel.

The Exmoor Squirrel Project is asking landowners to set live traps and restaurants to serve grey squirrel.

quote:

"The red is our native squirrel and in Great Britain it's down to an estimated 120,000 for reds in comparison to now an estimated three million invasive greys."

Ms Hosegood said the organisation would also like to encourage the use of grey squirrels on menus to limit waste.

"We're going to introduce them to restaurants in the Exmoor area because they actually make for good eating," she said.

"There's no waste there. They'll be put to some good use instead of being put in a hole in the ground."

Karma Comedian
Feb 2, 2012

Decrepus posted:

The once-great Britain is now cutting their squirrel meals using frozen poopknives. A shameful display.

How could the United States do this???

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.

Panzeh posted:

The stuff about people hoping to be rich when the come back is an every soldier kind of thing, though- Americans who maybe didn't like being in Iraq ended up back in the States with huge bank accounts because all of their major expenses are taken care of, so they end up buying ridiculous cars and spending it at strip clubs- there are cottage industries dedicated to emptying the bank accounts of returning soldiers.

I kinda doubt this will be the experience of Russian soldiers.

Immortal post:

Zip posted:

I have a hundred of these but here are a couple of my favorites:

In basic training we had a guy named Jackson who talked baby talk. The best way I can describe his accent was he sounded like Elmer Fudd, "ok gwuis we ish gonna go do dis ting".
He managed to get a hold of bug spray one of the night in basic and I remember him soaking the burlap strips on his helmet the before we climbed into our Bivvys. I mean he was loving dousing that poo poo.
The next day we are standing in the hot sun on a range and he is giving the stink eye to this string hanging loose in his face away from the rest of his burlap. After a moment he pulls out a pack of mre matches and tries to burn away that string. A second later his whole loving helmet lights up with flames.

It's so hard to adequately describe how funny the next few seconds were. First he stared straight ahead with this dumb look on his face trying to figure out what had just happened. Then he starts running back and forth failing to get his helmet off, tugging at the chin strap screaming "MY BURWAP IS ON FIYAH! MY BURWAP IS ON FIYAH!" The drill sergeants all run over to him and right as they get there he manages to get his helmet off but as he threw it to the ground he kicks it, it rolls across the range and lights the field on fire. The drill sgts and the rest of us were all laughing to hard to put it out so when we all finally stopped hyperventilating we had to evacuate the range.

The second story is one of my favorites because the kid is a good friend and a good soldier but drat could he be dumb on some things. Edge came back on base one day bragging about how he had gotten a new truck. He said he walked into the dealership, told them what he wanted, got what he wanted and then walked out the same day. I said, let me see your paperwork... Followed by, "MOTHERFUCKER YOU BOUGHT A TRUCK WITH TWENTY SIX PERCENT INTEREST RATE??? we are taking this poo poo back right now".

Samuel L. Hacksaw
Mar 26, 2007

Never Stop Posting

A Sometimes Food posted:

I assume like most game it depends on what the squirrels eat. Ones living off forage in woodlands are probably fine, ones gorged on nuts and fruits are probably delicious. Ones that raid dumpsters not so much.

Squirrels in the NE US taste very bitter in the spring and fall when they're surviving on tree nuts (largely acorns).

They're better in the summer, especially yearlings. Super lean like rabbit, best in stews.

Source: My buddy shot a few and I grilled 'em.

Rev. Bleech_
Oct 19, 2004

~OKAY, WE'LL DRINK TO OUR LEGS!~

Panzeh posted:

The stuff about people hoping to be rich when the come back is an every soldier kind of thing, though- Americans who maybe didn't like being in Iraq ended up back in the States with huge bank accounts because all of their major expenses are taken care of, so they end up buying ridiculous cars and spending it at strip clubs- there are cottage industries dedicated to emptying the bank accounts of returning soldiers.

I kinda doubt this will be the experience of Russian soldiers.

As a dude who lived and worked in close proximity to Fort Bragg for most of his life, one of the core parts of my belief system is "never give anyone under 25 a bunch of money", doubly so if they're in the military.

zone
Dec 6, 2016

https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1633116933041037317
There was an attempt

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
can they not get the drill sarge to go over to the dealership and smoke the dodge salesman for taking advantage of heroes?

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
no, they get the officer to go and garnish enlisted wages

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008


"So for the Hereford Times; how many barrels of gasoline do you have in your tank depots, and can you please send their exact locations so our camera crew can come up to take some pictures?"

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006

Alan Smithee posted:

can they not get the drill sarge to go over to the dealership and smoke the dodge salesman for taking advantage of heroes?

theyre too busy smoking the dumbass who got a 26% APR vehicle loan

Karma Comedian
Feb 2, 2012

The MILES program is a good and honest program

Tricky Ed
Aug 18, 2010

It is important to avoid confusion. This is the one that's okay to lick.


Alan Smithee posted:

can they not get the drill sarge to go over to the dealership and smoke the dodge salesman for taking advantage of heroes?

The same dealership where drill sarge got his sweet military discount + sweetheart financing on his new lifted brodozer?

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON

a pipe smoking dog posted:

I'm British and suddenly realising how weird it is we don't eat squirrels given how much people viscerally hate them (the forrin grey ones at least).

Do they taste bad? I figure they are probably like nutty rabbits.

They're rats with fluffy tails, so ask yourself why you don't eat rats and expand out from there

It is actually eaten in many places - most Western folks are fully terrified of the potential for disease, but really also scared of what it signifies to be eating such a lowly regarded pest. That's for places where they don't have enough food!!! We have Plenty and do not need to resort to eating rats.

That said, when I lived there I did see wood pigeon on a few menus so, it's not like you don't eat your fair share of pesty creatures.

StrangersInTheNight fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Mar 7, 2023

zone
Dec 6, 2016

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1633130390880763907
:qqsay:

shadow puppet of a
Jan 10, 2007

NO TENGO SCORPIO


Luchy-Louch is a great big dummy and I look forward to when he is reduced to political insignificance and forced into exile and a board seat at the Carlyle Group and a comfortable pied a tierre in Zurich.

teen witch
Oct 9, 2012
So this is slowly gaining traction in perfidious Sweden

Entire article below because gently caress the gray transphobic lady (my apologies to the authors cause I get it)

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/07/us/politics/nord-stream-pipeline-sabotage-ukraine.html

Intelligence Suggests Pro-Ukrainian Group Sabotaged Pipelines, U.S. Officials Say

quote:

New intelligence reporting amounts to the first significant known lead about who was responsible for the attack on the Nord Stream pipelines that carried natural gas from Russia to Europe.

March 7, 2023, 10:26 a.m. ET

WASHINGTON — New intelligence reviewed by U.S. officials suggests that a pro-Ukrainian group carried out the attack on the Nord Stream pipelines last year, a step toward determining responsibility for an act of sabotage that has confounded investigators on both sides of the Atlantic for months.

U.S. officials said that they had no evidence President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine or his top lieutenants were involved in the operation, or that the perpetrators were acting at the direction of any Ukrainian government officials.

The brazen attack on the natural gas pipelines, which link Russia to Western Europe, fueled public speculation about who was to blame, from Moscow to Kyiv and London to Washington, and it has remained one of the most consequential unsolved mysteries of Russia’s year-old war in Ukraine.

Ukraine and its allies have been seen by some officials as having the most logical potential motive to attack the pipelines. They have opposed the project for years, calling it a national security threat because it would allow Russia to sell gas more easily to Europe. Ukrainian government and military intelligence officials say they had no role in the attack and do not know who carried it out.

U.S. officials said there was much they did not know about the perpetrators and their affiliations. The review of newly collected intelligence suggests they were opponents of President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, but does not specify the members of the group, or who directed or paid for the operation. U.S. officials declined to disclose the nature of the intelligence, how it was obtained or any details of the strength of the evidence it contains. They have said that there are no firm conclusions about it, leaving open the possibility that the operation might have been conducted off the books by a proxy force with connections to the Ukrainian government or its security services.

Some initial U.S. and European speculation centered on possible Russian culpability, especially given its prowess in undersea operations, though it is unclear what motivation the Kremlin would have in sabotaging the pipelines given that they have been an important source of revenue and a means for Moscow to exert influence over Europe. One estimate put the cost of repairing the pipelines starting at about $500 million. U.S. officials say they have not found any evidence of involvement by the Russian government in the attack.

Officials who have reviewed the intelligence said they believed the saboteurs were most likely Ukrainian or Russian nationals, or some combination of the two. U.S. officials said no American or British nationals were involved.

The pipelines were ripped apart by deep sea explosions in September, in what U.S. officials described at the time as an act of sabotage. European officials have publicly said they believe the operation that targeted Nord Stream was probably state sponsored, possibly because of the sophistication with which the perpetrators planted and detonated the explosives on the floor of the Baltic Sea without being detected. U.S. officials have not stated publicly that they believe the operation was sponsored by a state.

The explosives were most likely planted with the help of experienced divers who did not appear to be working for military or intelligence services, U.S. officials who have reviewed the new intelligence said. But it is possible that the perpetrators received specialized government training in the past.

Officials said there were still enormous gaps in what U.S. spy agencies and their European partners knew about what transpired. But officials said it might constitute the first significant lead to emerge from several closely guarded investigations, the conclusions of which could have profound implications for the coalition supporting Ukraine.

Any suggestion of Ukrainian involvement, whether direct or indirect, could upset the delicate relationship between Ukraine and Germany, souring support among a German public that has swallowed high energy prices in the name of solidarity.

U.S. officials who have been briefed on the intelligence are divided about how much weight to put on the new information. All of them spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss classified intelligence and matters of sensitive diplomacy.

U.S. officials said the new intelligence reporting has increased their optimism that American spy agencies and their partners in Europe can find more information, which could allow them to reach a firm conclusion about the perpetrators. It is unclear how long that process will take. American officials recently discussed the intelligence with their European counterparts, who have taken the lead in investigating the attack.

A spokeswoman for the C.I.A. declined to comment. A spokesman for the White House’s National Security Council referred questions about the pipelines to the European authorities, who have been conducting their own investigations.

Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2, as the two pipelines are known, stretch 760 miles from the northwest coast of Russia to Lubmin in northeast Germany. The first cost more than $12 billion to build and was completed in 2011.

Nord Stream 2 cost slightly less than the first pipeline and was completed in 2021, over objections from officials in the United States, Britain, Poland and Ukraine, among others, who warned that it would increase German reliance on Russian gas. During a future diplomatic crisis between the West and Russia, these officials argued, Moscow could blackmail Berlin by threatening to curtail gas supplies, on which the Germans had depended heavily, especially during the winter months. (Germany has weaned itself off reliance on Russian gas over the past year.)

Early last year, President Biden, after meeting with Chancellor Olaf Scholz of Germany at the White House, said Mr. Putin’s decision about whether to attack Ukraine would determine the fate of Nord Stream 2. “If Russia invades, that means tanks and troops crossing the border of Ukraine again, then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2,” Mr. Biden said. “We will bring an end to it.”

When asked exactly how that would be accomplished, Mr. Biden cryptically said, “I promise you we’ll be able to do it.”

A couple weeks later, Mr. Scholz announced that his government would block the Nord Stream 2 pipeline from becoming operational. Two days after that, Russia launched the much-anticipated invasion.

Since the explosions along the pipelines in September, there has been rampant speculation about what transpired on the sea floor near the Danish island of Bornholm.

Poland and Ukraine immediately accused Russia of planting the explosives, but they offered no evidence.

Russia, in turn, accused Britain of carrying out the operation — also without evidence. Russia and Britain have denied any involvement in the explosions.

Last month, the investigative journalist Seymour Hersh published an article on the newsletter platform Substack concluding that the United States carried out the operation at the direction of Mr. Biden. In making his case, Mr. Hersh cited the president’s preinvasion threat to “bring an end” to Nord Stream 2, and similar statements by other senior U.S. officials.

U.S. officials say Mr. Biden and his top aides did not authorize a mission to destroy the Nord Stream pipelines, and they say there was no U.S. involvement.

Any findings that put blame on Kyiv or Ukrainian proxies could prompt a backlash in Europe and make it harder for the West to maintain a united front in support of Ukraine.

U.S. officials and intelligence agencies acknowledge that they have limited visibility into Ukrainian decision-making.

Despite Ukraine’s deep dependence on the United States for military, intelligence and diplomatic support, Ukrainian officials are not always transparent with their American counterparts about their military operations, especially those against Russian targets behind enemy lines. Those operations have frustrated U.S. officials, who believe that they have not measurably improved Ukraine’s position on the battlefield, but have risked alienating European allies and widening the war.

The operations that have unnerved the United States included a strike in early August on Russia’s Saki Air Base on the western coast of Crimea, a truck bombing in October that destroyed part of the Kerch Strait Bridge, which links Russia to Crimea, and drone strikes in December aimed at Russian military bases in Ryazan and Engels, about 300 miles beyond the Ukrainian border.

But there have been other acts of sabotage and violence of more ambiguous provenance that U.S. intelligence agencies have had a harder time attributing to Ukrainian security services.

One of those was a car bomb near Moscow in August that killed Daria Dugina, the daughter of a prominent Russian nationalist.

Kyiv denied any involvement but U.S. intelligence agencies eventually came to believe that the killing was authorized by what officials called “elements” of the Ukrainian government. In response to the finding, the Biden administration privately rebuked the Ukrainians and warned them against taking similar actions.

The explosions that ruptured the Nord Stream pipelines took place five weeks after Ms. Dugina’s killing. After the Nord Stream operation, there was hushed speculation — and worry — in Washington that parts of the Ukrainian government might have been involved in that operation as well.

The new intelligence provided no evidence so far of the Ukrainian government’s complicity in the attack on the pipelines, and U.S. officials say the Biden administration’s level of trust in Mr. Zelensky and his senior national security team has been steadily increasing.

Days after the explosion, Denmark, Sweden and Germany began their own separate investigations into the Nord Stream operation.

Intelligence and law enforcement agencies on both sides of the Atlantic have had difficulty obtaining concrete evidence about what happened on the sea floor in the hours, days and weeks before the explosions.

The pipelines themselves were not closely monitored, by either commercial or government sensors. Moreover, finding the vessel or vessels involved has been complicated by the fact that the explosions took place in a heavily trafficked area.

That said, investigators have many leads to pursue.

According to a European lawmaker briefed late last year by his country’s main foreign intelligence service, investigators have been gathering information about an estimated 45 “ghost ships” whose location transponders were not on or were not working when they passed through the area, possibly to cloak their movements.

The lawmaker was also told that more than 1,000 pounds of “military grade” explosives were used by the perpetrators.

Spokespeople for the Danish government had no immediate comment. Spokespeople for the German government declined to comment.

Mats Ljungqvist, a senior prosecutor leading Sweden’s investigation, told The New York Times late last month that his country’s hunt for the perpetrators was continuing.

“It’s my job to find those who blew up Nord Stream. To help me, I have our country’s Security Service,” Mr. Ljungqvist said. “Do I think it was Russia that blew up Nord Stream? I never thought so. It’s not logical. But as in the case of a murder, you have to be open to all possibilities.”

Reporting was contributed by Rebecca R. Ruiz, Erika Solomon, Melissa Eddy, Michael Schwirtz and Andrew E. Kramer.

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006

teen witch posted:

So this is slowly gaining traction in perfidious Sweden

Entire article below because gently caress the gray transphobic lady (my apologies to the authors cause I get it)

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/07/us/politics/nord-stream-pipeline-sabotage-ukraine.html

Intelligence Suggests Pro-Ukrainian Group Sabotaged Pipelines, U.S. Officials Say

Pro-Ukrainian group? How could the CIA do this

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Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

HonorableTB posted:

Pro-Ukrainian group? How could the CIA do this

Pro-Ukraine can mean anything here. This was still the time in this war where Eastern Europe EU members and Germany with France were having a political infight on how to react to the war. Nordstreams getting broken beyond easy or quick fix meant that "Ignore Eastern members as a policy, and normalize relations with Russia" was no longer an option to Scholz's government. It would be a lie to say that there weren't parties inside EU that were glad to see that those gaslines went away.

Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Mar 7, 2023

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