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Badger of Basra posted:"boring-rear end killjoy" seems to describe most of FF14 twitter I saw someone on twitter complaining about how they aren't doing a good enough of with player retention because there's not enough content, with many replies agreeing. And I'm just kind of confused. I'll admit I didn't start truely playing until 5.3 so I haven't been around that long but so far the patches and mid patches seem to generally have the same amount of content they did back then. Do other people feel like there's less content than usual, I haven't really heard that complaint until now. On top of that FF14 not concerning itself with player retention like WoW does is a GOOD thing Also regarding Hildibrand, I know I've said it before but it bares repeating: the decision to make Nashu as stupid and goofy and Hildibrand himself is really what makes the whole thing work so well IMO. Macaluso fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Mar 7, 2023 |
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Some people just want like infinite content.
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There's less content, but the only fair way to judge that is to reach all the way back to Stormblood, which feels extremely bad faith imo.
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It seems to come up every expansion. I started playing about halfway through StB and heard it then, again in ShB (which was a touch short due to the pandemic, but still had plenty) and am hearing it again now. I think it's basically this:Waffleman_ posted:Some people just want like infinite content. They're looking for that borderline impossible, yet absolutely addicting, grind of the battlepass. Gods forbid we ever get that in FFXIV in a more 'faithful' manner than the PvP Series.
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Mar 7, 2023 19:49
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fewer absolute hours of content maybe, but more unique varieties of content, which matters more in the long term. most of the "no content" complainers have been playing forever and have been 100% caught up on everything forever, which over this long might not be so healthy
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There's never enough content for true addicts and FF14 updates 3-4 times a year vs WoW's 1-2(or worse.) I guess you could argue the size of the updates, though WoW also lets a lot of legacy content get badly outdated if not outright abandoned and broken by contrast. I imagine a lot of content whiners think it should be possible to have devs churn out weekly or bi-weekly content, even if they wouldn't admit it. It's a nice dream but uh, it takes dramatically different standards to achieve that if it isn't outright impossible with modern game development. Maybe people were spoiled by older FPS/RTS community content and how often you could find something new to do but by definition those didn't have too many guaranteed quality checks.
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Mar 7, 2023 19:51
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a stated goal from the devs is that they want people to feel like they can take breaks between patches and play at their own pace, and that's a very good dynamic to have and leads to a very healthy playerbase imo. you don't need to stress about player retention if you're confident those players will keep coming back to the game, and given that the game was so popular at expansion launch they had to turn off signups and limit the amount of logged-in players for what felt like weeks i don't think they have to stress about that at all
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A big reason I like XIV compared to other service games (which an MMO technically is, I suppose) is that it doesn't care if I don't log in every day.
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Macaluso posted:I saw someone on twitter complaining about how they aren't doing a good enough of with player retention because there's not enough content, with many replies agreeing. And I'm just kind of confused. I'll admit I didn't start truely playing until 5.3 so I haven't been around that long but so far the patches and mid patches seem to generally have the same amount of content they did back then. Do other people feel like there's less content than usual, I haven't really heard that complaint until now. On top of that FF14 not concerning itself with player retention like WoW does is a GOOD thing I tend to see this from players who joined in Shadowbringers and had years upon years of content to go back and revisit and classes to level so it felt like the game had ENDLESS CONTENT but now they're caught up with everything they ever would want to touch so it seems like it's low content
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People crave the allure of the all-consuming omni-game that has literally everything you could ever want so it's the only game you would ever need. In reality, this never works and is not a terribly healthy impulse to chase. When I get bored of grinding poo poo out in FFXIV, I just play a different game for a few weeks.
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Waffleman_ posted:A big reason I like XIV compared to other service games (which an MMO technically is, I suppose) is that it doesn't care if I don't log in every day. Yeah. 100%. I've barely played since December and I haven't even touched 6.3 as I've been back on my Genshin bullshit, but I'm not even worried because that content will still be around when I show up and do it and I'm not going to be missing out or behind the power curve.
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Mar 7, 2023 20:04
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I bet they havent' even cleared stormblood eureka yet
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Vitamean posted:the hairstyle drops from accursed horde bags in deep dungeon - most likely the higher quality ones found in the later floors. I got one from bronze bags. Also the marketboard prices are already below a million gil now, so just buy it if you don't want to do Deep Dungeons
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I spend a lot of time saying to myself, don't just log into xiv and waste time, play one of the many other games you want to play, and I still fail at that loads. So I really don't mind some content droughts! On a completely unrelated note I recently started collecting BLU spells...
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Kashuno posted:I tend to see this from players who joined in Shadowbringers and had years upon years of content to go back and revisit and classes to level so it felt like the game had ENDLESS CONTENT but now they're caught up with everything they ever would want to touch so it seems like it's low content I've hit that a couple of times, when I finish my big grind goals like getting every crafting job to 90 or managing to overcome the boredom and get another ARR relic weapon. I find in those moments it can be easy to lose perspective.
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Tamba posted:I got one from bronze bags. Also the marketboard prices are already below a million gil now, so just buy it if you don't want to do Deep Dungeons they made this game too easy 👀
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What's the ilvl of the next step of the relic quest?
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The weapon is 630.
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I've seen a lot of weeners mad that the relic step is just a tomestone dump, instead of some 5000 FATE hell grind probably the same people who complain that they can't get gear for all their 19 jobs from savage raids
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what better way to encourage "do content" than by making it a currency you get from doing most any content
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I would be lying if I said a little part of me didn't wish there was bespoke content associated with it, but also this is a lot easier.
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Mar 7, 2023 20:26
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Isn't PvP infinite content?
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Alxprit posted:Isn't PvP infinite content? Them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2IZbbuFxWg
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Waffleman_ posted:A big reason I like XIV compared to other service games (which an MMO technically is, I suppose) is that it doesn't care if I don't log in every day. I've got over 1600 days of playtime and only a single combat class at 90, even if the entire dev team got hit by a bus, I've probably got close to a decade of stuff to do
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Onean posted:Oh my god, Grenoldt and Mowen's relationship is just as much of a disaster as Gerolt and Rowena's, but for a completely different reason. They're perfect tbh
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Granted there is something a little special about playing new content within the first couple of days, like a grand shared experience. But after that, there’s really no rush at all to playing the content at whatever pace you want. I guess things like Bozja were better when that was end game? Not sure, haven’t played it since then. But Eureka is still pretty populated even after all this time, so not sure any content becomes more unpleasant over time as interest in that specific thing fades.
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Waffleman_ posted:A big reason I like XIV compared to other service games (which an MMO technically is, I suppose) is that it doesn't care if I don't log in every day. 30 day login streak reward: Namazu Pajamazu
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Vitamean posted:what better way to encourage "do content" than by making it a currency you get from doing most any content It's a no-win situation and there will be complaining no matter what happens. If it's a fate grind, people will complain. If it's a dungeon/raid grind, people will complain about which dungeons/raids are chosen. If it's a light grind, people are going to find the one optimal route and refuse to do anything else. The tomestone dumb allows it to be something you can work on very passively. I'm sure there are 500 youtube videos out there "FASTEST WAY TO GRIND TOMESTONES FOR RELIC" and poo poo like that, but gently caress those people. Personally, I don't mind it just being a tomestone dump because it allows me to just slowly accumulate more relics instead of just grinding the same things again and again. While I think the HW relic chain is the best its been, there are still steps that are annoying. For me, the thing that makes the relic special is the questline - not the grind itself. This is why the StB/ShB relic chains are the worst imo - they don't have much of a questline story and are just secondary to the Eureka/Bozja questlines. Mordiceius fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Mar 7, 2023 |
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Mar 7, 2023 21:23
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As a Viera, if it’s possible to delete the ears for the duration of the emote, do that. If that’s not possible or it takes more than 2 days of effort, I’m just… not gonna use it
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broken pixel posted:As a Viera, if it’s possible to delete the ears for the duration of the emote, do that. If that’s not possible or it takes more than 2 days of effort, I’m just… not gonna use it It doesn't really look great on any race so you aren't missing out. They should have added the cheek rub instead imho
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Arist posted:People crave the allure of the all-consuming omni-game that has literally everything you could ever want so it's the only game you would ever need. In reality, this never works and is not a terribly healthy impulse to chase. this is funny because I play a lot (like 1-2 hours a night) for a dad with kids and there's like a ton of content I'd love to do. Part of it is still playing catchup since November of 2021, but there are so many grinds to get shiny things that you can pick your activity.
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Dragongem posted:this is funny because I play a lot (like 1-2 hours a night) for a dad with kids and there's like a ton of content I'd love to do. Part of it is still playing catchup since November of 2021, but there are so many grinds to get shiny things that you can pick your activity. Yeah. If you are playing at a casual level of an hour or two a night, skipping some nights, then FFXIV can be that omni-forever game. Back when I used to do freelance work, it was not uncommon for me to regularly have a few weeks or a month of unemployment mixed in and during those times I definitely was clocking in big hours into the game. If you're someone like that, then yeah, the game is going to run out of content. But no game will last for a person playing 6-8+ hours a day, every day.
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broken pixel posted:As a Viera, if it’s possible to delete the ears for the duration of the emote, do that. If that’s not possible or it takes more than 2 days of effort, I’m just… not gonna use it Not really, I'm not sure if I want to do the new crafting quests unless there is a super cool reward either.
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there's a mount, music, and getting to see the questline.
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broken pixel posted:As a Viera, if it’s possible to delete the ears for the duration of the emote, do that. If that’s not possible or it takes more than 2 days of effort, I’m just… not gonna use it Didn't they make it so you can do the emote without having the ears spawn?  Or is this just to prevent the text from being shown in the log?
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Clerical Terrors posted:Didn't they make it so you can do the emote without having the ears spawn? That prevents the text in the log.
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what armor is this I thought it was, in order -castrum abania (no) -pld 70 af body (no) -babil body (no)
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Vitamean posted:what armor is this Gazelleskin fending. Gazelleskin healing and Atrociraptor casting share the model, too. Draxion fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Mar 7, 2023 |
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 drat this club is already popping before it even opens Also can't wait to find out the full context for this 
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