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stevewm posted:Finally got a Emporia Vue2 energy monitor installed on both of my electrical panels. Flashed both to ESPHome. That is really cool! Thanks for all the pictures. What does "Flashing to ESPHome" mean? Is that just replacing whatever software/firmware came on the emporia device with something else?
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stevewm posted:Finally got a Emporia Vue2 energy monitor installed on both of my electrical panels. Flashed both to ESPHome. This is really awesome, nice job! Did you de-energize your entire house during installation? Or you didn't have to since you're just clamping the monitors on? We're a family of 7 and our electric bill is always sky high so I'd love to have this setup on my house. I'm pretty heavily invested in Homebridge/HomeKit, so it would be a huge pain to switch to HA I think.
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Feb 16, 2023 18:20
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Oh that is neat. So it's just current sense clamps on all the circuits? very cool. It would be nice if panels started having the facility to have this a little more built in!
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Feb 16, 2023 18:23
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Hed posted:That is really cool! Thanks for all the pictures. What does "Flashing to ESPHome" mean? Is that just replacing whatever software/firmware came on the emporia device with something else? In its stock form, the device is supported in Home Assistant via a community maintained integration. But that integration relies on Emporia's cloud service to get readings. Being a ESP32 based device, it can be flashed with a ESPHome based firmware that turns it into a completely local device that works natively inside Home Assistant. Flashing does require knowledge of flashing ESP devices and a bit of soldering however.
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Feb 16, 2023 18:26
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:This is really awesome, nice job! Did you de-energize your entire house during installation? Or you didn't have to since you're just clamping the monitors on? I did it with the panels live, but I am comfortable working around electricity and know what not to touch. If you are not, I would suggest getting something like this professionally installed. In addition to the clamps there are 4 wires that need to be connected. Red and Black each need to go to a breaker so that it can monitor the voltage of both hot legs. (assuming US split phase power). The blue and white need to go to the neutral. I did turn off and remove the breakers to attach the wires, as I had to pigtail them off existing breakers. They even include 2 pigtail wires and some wire nuts in the box for this. The Emporia will work completely standalone in its stock form. It feeds the data into Emporia's cloud service which is accessed via a website or app. It has similar functionality as far as tracking power usage.
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Feb 16, 2023 18:36
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priznat posted:Oh that is neat. So it's just current sense clamps on all the circuits? very cool. Sense clamps on each hot leg and on every circuit. For 240v circuits, you only put a clamp on one of the legs and tell the software to double the readings on that circuit. There are 4 wires that have to be connected. 2 to 2 different breakers, and the remaining 2 to neutral. I pigtailed off 2 existing breakers.
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Motronic posted:The commercial (hugem expensive, for apartment complexes) ones I've seen are SIP, which is very interesting to me since my background is in telecom engineering/voip. I have no idea what the amcrest is doing for audio but it would surprise me if it were anything too exotic as far as protocols or codecs, but I'm also guessing it's impossible to configure. quote:I "messed up" configuring the first one I got, as in....I searched on amcrests site, downloaded and used an amcrest tool that absolutely see it and allows you to configure it, and it bricked and never came back again as soon as I hit save. Then on their forums I see "oh no never use that, only use THIS" and I just returned it to amazon as bad out of the box and ordered a new one. I mean...come ON. Three Olives posted:Lutron Caseta, there are others, don't waste your time, Caseta works flawlessly without a neutral. stevewm posted:Finally got a Emporia Vue2 energy monitor installed on both of my electrical panels. Flashed both to ESPHome.
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Feb 16, 2023 18:58
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priznat posted:Oh that is neat. So it's just current sense clamps on all the circuits? very cool. Those panels exist (span.io, squareD, etc) - they also cost a fortune. Like $3000 vs $300, and then might also use custom circuit breakers.
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Feb 16, 2023 19:33
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Just buy a Caseta starter kit. It usually comes with a couple switches, a Pico, and a hub. The hub basically comes free. I’ve bought so many starter packs because the switches are cheaper than buying individually when they go on sale. I also have like 47 hubs laying around that aren’t really worth shipping to people when they essentially come for free in the packs. The hub is partially what makes them so drat reliable. You don’t have 37 switches slamming your router all at once while all 3 TVs are streaming Netflix.
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Feb 16, 2023 19:34
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If you want an alternative I've got a full house of inovelli z-wave switches and they have been rock solid for several years.
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unknown posted:Those panels exist (span.io, squareD, etc) - they also cost a fortune. Like $3000 vs $300, and then might also use custom circuit breakers. I was thinking the panel just having metal flanges so you could mount the clamps and run the clamp sense wires out the back to keep it out of the panel, but that would probably get into all sorts of regulation. There would have to be some kind of standard sense clamp as well so one company doesn't have their special form factor that no one else can copy, like those fancy panels. Something non-proprietary and simple and allowed upgrading!
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stevewm posted:In its stock form, the device is supported in Home Assistant via a community maintained integration. But that integration relies on Emporia's cloud service to get readings. Being a ESP32 based device, it can be flashed with a ESPHome based firmware that turns it into a completely local device that works natively inside Home Assistant. Flashing does require knowledge of flashing ESP devices and a bit of soldering however. Do you miss having the Emporia app / seeing it on your phone? I have three Vues and haven't set up HA integration (yet), but in the ~2-3 years I've had them, I can't complain too much about the ability to export my data + the app has been pretty good. However, the stock SW seems to have trouble understanding my solar setup / I'm not 100% on how to configure it correctly. My solar backfeeds through my rear subpanel, which is shared with my hot tub, and I'm not sure if I need to flip both the main panel Emporia to think it has solar as well. wolrah posted:
Caseta is without a doubt the absolute best ecosystem in the wider world of IoT/smarthome/etc type poo poo. The hub is 100% worth it and I respect / applaud their decision to commit to a 315 MHz-based technology and require the hub -- it is the best engineering solution IMO. 315 MHz as a band is legislated for non-continuous transmissions (like car keyfobs), overall interference is low, penetration is great and power consumption is nil. Now, Lutron being Lutron, there are some technically possible configurations that are not available via their system (ex: I want to share a single motion sensor and have it do different timeouts for different lights in my bathroom -- technically possible, difficult to do with their ecosystem) and I'd kill someone for a version of a Maestro motion-dimmer that was Caseta compatible (I want it to go to a different brightness based on time-of-day), but the switches are always switches if the Internet goes down / disappears. Though, I want to say that when you configure a Pico remote... it's peer-to-peer, but I actually don't know if you need an operating hub to route traffic from a Pico to the requisite switch. Seeing as you can program a Pico to do a bunch of stuff, I imagine it has too... or maybe the Pico stores the IDs of the switches it controls and just broadcasts them in sequence. priznat posted:I was thinking the panel just having metal flanges so you could mount the clamps and run the clamp sense wires out the back to keep it out of the panel, but that would probably get into all sorts of regulation. There would have to be some kind of standard sense clamp as well so one company doesn't have their special form factor that no one else can copy, like those fancy panels. Something non-proprietary and simple and allowed upgrading! When I get bored and replace my panel with a brand-new 52-space QO, I was thinking of epoxying the clamps in place or something to clean up the wiring. I got a PVC junction box and placed the Emporia unit itself in there, and then routed all the clamp connections through conduit to it... tried to keep the panel clean, only partially succesful. Alternately, I've also entertained shortening the leads of the clamps to the exact length required and re-crimping / re-soldering, but... effort. movax fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Feb 16, 2023 |
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:The hub is partially what makes them so drat reliable. You don’t have 37 switches slamming your router all at once while all 3 TVs are streaming Netflix. TwoDice posted:If you want an alternative I've got a full house of inovelli z-wave switches and they have been rock solid for several years. wolrah fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Feb 16, 2023 |
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stevewm posted:Sense clamps on each hot leg and on every circuit. For 240v circuits, you only put a clamp on one of the legs and tell the software to double the readings on that circuit. There are 4 wires that have to be connected. 2 to 2 different breakers, and the remaining 2 to neutral. I pigtailed off 2 existing breakers. edit: I already have Home Assistant running there to keep an eye on temp and some sump water levels. edit2: I should get something like this for myself anyway. Maybe I'll order it and if it doesn't work for the triplex, then I'll use it. odiv fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Feb 16, 2023 |
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movax posted:Do you miss having the Emporia app / seeing it on your phone? I have three Vues and haven't set up HA integration (yet), but in the ~2-3 years I've had them, I can't complain too much about the ability to export my data + the app has been pretty good. I never used them in their stock config with the Emporia app. They where flashed to ESPHome right out of the box. I use the Home Assistant companion app on my phone, which allows me to access anything added into HA.
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wolrah posted:
Yeah that was my thought as well until I ran onto the Emporia devices thanks to a random Reddit post. My previous energy monitoring device (Aeotec Zwave home energy monitor) died back in December during a power outage, so I was looking for a replacement. It fit the bill quite well. And cheap enough I bought a 2nd one for my garage panel.
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priznat posted:I was thinking the panel just having metal flanges so you could mount the clamps and run the clamp sense wires out the back to keep it out of the panel, but that would probably get into all sorts of regulation. There would have to be some kind of standard sense clamp as well so one company doesn't have their special form factor that no one else can copy, like those fancy panels. Something non-proprietary and simple and allowed upgrading! No need to (re)invent anything. All of these home gamer systems are just stripped down and cheaper version of what's been available for literally decades. Lots of places use them for metering power that they sell (think things like server colocation facilities). Also, Henrik that garage panel is real bad. Nowhere close to even passing minimum code. It's sloppy and unworkmanlike. If you paid someone to do that don't ever hire them again.
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Ah nice, just figured it out with some helpful people that 6 of the 50A sensors should do me for my subpanels.
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Okay, after some more investigation I think I'm sold on the Emporia Vue. Thanks very much for getting me going down this rabbit hole, stevewm. Now I have to decide if I'm going to try to flash it or not.
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Interested in opinions on this. Getting ready to roll my first Home Assistant setup. I’ve been running entirely on HomeKit/whatever app supports whatever product I’m using and want to unify it all and get deeper/better automations going. Plan is to install HA on a RP4b. Maybe on a NUC or other small server style system later. I’d also like to have PiHole run in a separate container, and if I move to the NUC probably other stuff. It it worth trying to gently caress around with a supervisor mode docker install on a rp4b, or should I just run the HAOS install? I’m not super experienced in Linux or docker, but I’m also not afraid of getting dirty and learning it. I tend to not have much trouble learning such stuff. If I do go docker, which OS should I run on the Pi? The docker system is appealing to me just from an ease of keeping things easy to nuke and rebuild or run test environments, plus the ability to run multiple systems like PiHole without interfering (ie I don’t wanna reboot Pihole when needing to reboot the HA instance).
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You could just run the HAOS image for now and use the AdGuard Home add on (https://github.com/hassio-addons/addon-adguard-home) until you’re ready to move to a full containerized system.
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I'm thinking of doing the same, if only for automations like "if kid leaves light on for 30 mins, turn it off." I'm also completely on HomeKit, have Hue/Aqara/Lutron hubs, and use Homebridge plugins on my RPi for everything else. Would it be a gigantic PITA to convert everything to HA?
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:I'm thinking of doing the same, if only for automations like "if kid leaves light on for 30 mins, turn it off." I'm also completely on HomeKit, have Hue/Aqara/Lutron hubs, and use Homebridge plugins on my RPi for everything else. Would it be a gigantic PITA to convert everything to HA? I had a similar setup with homebridge, but most of the reason I’m switching is because apple home’s automations are super limited and pretty awful. I’m hoping for significantly more automation control. Kalman posted:You could just run the HAOS image for now and use the AdGuard Home add on (https://github.com/hassio-addons/addon-adguard-home) until you’re ready to move to a full containerized system. That’s not a bad idea I guess. My time is fairly limited so I don’t love the idea of having to rebuild a setup later to convert over to PiHole or whatever, but if just doing straight docker in supervisor mode is stupid I won’t.
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Shoutout to homebridge, it's so stable I couldn't remember what the login was to it when I wanted to try to see if I could add an echo plug with it.
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Pilfered Pallbearers posted:I had a similar setup with homebridge, but most of the reason I’m switching is because apple home’s automations are super limited and pretty awful. I’m hoping for significantly more automation control. Yeah that’s kinda why I want to switch. The apple ones are lackluster. I assume I’d need a zigbee USB stick? Does that replace my random hubs? My only disadvantage is that my Pi is in the corner of my house, while my router and hubs are currently in the middle, providing better coverage.
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If your existing hubs have integrations for HA I don’t think you’d need to switch?
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:Yeah that’s kinda why I want to switch. The apple ones are lackluster. I haven’t done it yet so I only have a basic understanding, but I believe you do not need new hubs here provided those hubs have a home assistant integration. Home assistant should be able to talk to those hubs. Also, I would not want a device controlling all of my automations to be on a weak WiFi signal. That might be something you want to correct (as in move pi closer to router, nothing else should need to move).
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Oh that would be rad if I could still use the hubs. I haven’t read to much about the actual hardware implementation, but it would be way less work than I thought if I could use my hubs.
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So for my HA install, I use the Hue integration with the Hue hub and it works perfectly. Can’t speak to Lutron but I think that one has a well-supported integration.
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So…. Does the HA app completely replace using the iOS Home app? Or can they be used in parallel?
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I use them in parallel because I like being able to say “hey siri turn off the lights downstairs.” Works fine.
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Yeah I definitely didn’t want to lose that functionality. Glad to know you can use them in parallel. Thanks.
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Is there a WiFi /ZigBee / whatever solution for tracking pet presence? It would be nice if I could run my vacuum automatically when I take the dog for a walk.
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TVGM posted:Is there a WiFi /ZigBee / whatever solution for tracking pet presence? It would be nice if I could run my vacuum automatically when I take the dog for a walk. I think for this I’d personally put a button/ nfc tag near the leash and set it to 5 minutes after activation, or some kind of tracker on the leash itself. I think it’d be difficult to track a pet with motion or IPR or mmwave or similar unless it’s 100% confined to one room. It’s typically not advised to put trackers directly on pets due to swallow risk.
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airtag on the collar if there is a way to tie those into presence detection for your home software platform of choice. that said i like the suggestion above mine
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Pilfered Pallbearers posted:I think for this I’d personally put a button/ nfc tag near the leash and set it to 5 minutes after activation, or some kind of tracker on the leash itself. Good idea, thanks! That Works posted:airtag on the collar if there is a way to tie those into presence detection for your home software platform of choice. that said i like the suggestion above mine Unfortunately it looks like Airtags are a bit convoluted to use with Home Assistant, but maybe some day. https://community.home-assistant.io/t/is-there-any-way-to-track-apple-airtags-via-home-assistant/389049
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Depending on your desired budget, Whistle has a gps dog tracker that can be integrated. It's a bit pricey at $110+$80/year but it can be used as a person entity. A button by the leash is probably the least effort though.
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This sounds like what you want? https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/ibeacon
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Anyone use anything like this in their house: https://www.leviton.com/en/products/residential/networking/inside-the-structured-media-enclosure Seen them in apartments past. Seems useful, but they don't seem particularly "old work" compatible. Have a 2-gang wall plate with keystone jacks in the laundry room right now, which is where we keep all our network stuff. Would like to have something nicer than that, and also need something downstairs. Looking to something like this, but not sure if this is the best thing to get or what.
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DaveSauce posted:Anyone use anything like this in their house: I don’t have any advice but I really love the look of this. Seems pricy though.
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